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OpenOntologyRepository: Metadata Workshop-VIII - Tue 2013_07_02

Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-VIII: Metadata in Ontology Mapping - II

Session Co-chairs: MichaelGruninger (U of Toronto) & MikeBennett (EDM Council)

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  • Date: Tuesday, 02-Jul-2013
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Abstract

Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-VIII: Metadata in Ontology Mapping - II

by: Michael Grüninger & Mike Bennett

The plan for today's session is to have Mike Bennett give an overview of FIBO in terms of its various possible modules along with the current ontology-level metadata provisions, and Michael Grüninger will follow and present an attempt to capture these relationships using ontology metadata.

This effort, hopefully, will get us a step closer to the team consensus from our 18-Jun-2013 OOR-Strategy meeting that we will focused on developing three things (hopefully within the next 3 months)- namely, (i) the set of metadata, (ii) the API, and (iii) some shared thoughts on the UI across different nodes/instances of the OOR network of ontology repositories.

References

Agenda & Proceedings

Archives:

1. Meeting called to order:

  • Michael Grüninger & Mike Bennett took the chair and welcome everyone
  • Peter P. Yim volunteered to collate the notes, but urged everyone to capture their thoughts and document them on the chat board, as usual.
  • review and adopt agenda
  • Urgent items or quick announcements

2. Roll Call:

  • welcome and intro of new member(s) (if applicable)

3. Prepared presentations

4. Focused discussion - moderated by Michael Grüninger

5. IM Chat Transcript captured during the session

see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --

Chat transcript from room: oor_20130702

2013-07-02 GMT-08:00 [PDT]

[06:43] Welcome to the

OpenOntologyRepository: Metadata Workshop-VIII - Tue 2013_07_02

  • Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-VIII: Metadata in Ontology Mapping - II
  • Agenda:

The plan for today's session is to have Mike Bennett give an overview of FIBO

in terms of its various possible modules, and Michael Grüninger will follow

and present an attempt to capture these relationships using ontology metadata.

We will then have a discussion/workshop focusing on metadata for OOR.

This effort, hopefully, will get us a step closer to the team consensus

from our 18-Jun-2013 OOR-Strategy meeting that we will focused on

developing three things (hopefully within the next 3 months)- namely,

(i) the set of metadata, (ii) the API, and (iii) some shared thoughts on the

UI across different nodes/instances of the OOR network of ontology repositories.

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Attendees: Michael Grüninger (co-chair), Mike Bennett (co-chair), Ali Hashemi, Amanda Vizedom (on chat

only), Bob Smith, David Eddy, Ken Baclawski, Peter P. Yim (scribe), Todd Schneider, LamarHenderson.

Proceedings

[7:02] Peter P. Yim: == Co-chairs Michael Grüninger and Mike Bennett starts the session ...

[7:03] anonymous morphed into Ali Hashemi

[7:07] anonymous morphed into David Eddy

[7:07] Peter P. Yim: on the call now, are: Ali Hashemi, Bob Smith, David Eddy, Lamar Henderson,

Michael Grüninger, Mike Bennett, Peter P. Yim & Todd Schneider

[7:09] Todd Schneider: [ ref. Mike's slide#4 ] Mike, How should we interpret 'use case neutral'?

[7:36] Mike Bennett: @Todd by use case neutral I mean that as an industry standard, it is not a model

designed to support a single use case, but needs to provide for current and future use cases.

[7:16] Peter P. Yim: Amanda Vizedom joined (a little earlier)

[7:16] Amanda Vizedom: (I'm not on the call yet - technical difficulties -- be there soon)

[7:19] Peter P. Yim: Tx, Amanda

[7:25] Amanda Vizedom: Apologies, technical difficulties not resolving. I will have to listen to

recording later.

[7:28] Peter P. Yim: [ ref. MikeBennett's slide#9 ] the OMG Specification Metadata (SM) Vocabulary (owl

file) is at - http://www.omg.org/techprocess/ab/20130301/SpecificationMetadata.owl

[7:32] Peter P. Yim: for information about CTS2 -vs- OMV see proceedings of the "OOR-Metadata

Workshop-V" at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17

[7:38] Peter P. Yim: @Mike - how does the OMG's Specification Metadata (SM) Vocabulary relate to the

Common Terminology Services 2 (CTS2) by HL7 & OMG

[7:43] Peter P. Yim: @MikeBennett - is there some work at OMG that documents a comparison between their

Specification Metadata (SM) Vocabulary to the NeOn Ontology Metadata Vocabulary (OMV)

[7:43] Mike Bennett: @Peter I don't know - Elisa Kendall would be the person to ask (I was hoping she

could join us today)

[7:44] Mike Bennett: @Peter I also don't know how SM relates to HL7 etc.

[7:44] Peter P. Yim: Thanks, Mike

[7:39] Mike Bennett: Other considerations: in referencing between kinds of model generally, there are

separate dimensions to consider: model relationship to what is modeled (real things v digital

resources); formal grounding of model elements (FOL versus Object Orientation for example); and

model abstraction levels. Not sure how much of that is relevant to OOR but it's a consideration in

models alignment generally I think.

[7:40] Mike Bennett: Other considerations: we used some basic upper ontology partitions based on

John F. Sowa, which have been removed in the OMG submission but are still important. Can we make better

reference to other upper ontology partitions, especially those in DOLCE. Also can we make better use

of published work on mereology etc. in place of some of our more provisional patterns.

[7:41] Mike Bennett: Use of DOL - we would like to know more about that.

[7:47] Mike Bennett: The REA ontology is published in UML form at present. We have however done some

extensive remodelling of this using OWL axioms, with reference to the more abstract partitions in

FIBO.

[7:48] Mike Bennett: (we need to finalize that work with BillMcCarthy - I think we are ready to

publish but he needs to vet it first).

[7:50] Todd Schneider: Michael, w.r.t. the OOR design/implementation, one 'use' of the metadata is to

communicate actions (e.g., queries) and perhaps directly drive the UI.

[8:02] Michael Grüninger: Rather than adopt a single ontology metadata ontology, OOR should be

flexible enough to use the multiple metadata ontologies that are available. Of course, we will need

to ensure that these ontologies are mutually consistent, and we will need to understand their

relationships

[7:53] Michael Grüninger: [Action Item] Detailed study of the relationships between the ontology

metadata ontologies (OMV, OMG SM, CTS2)

[7:57] Michael Grüninger: [Action Item] Detailed analysis of FIBO Annotation Vocabulary

[7:58] Mike Bennett: [Action item] understand the implications of how e.g. FIBO re-framed DC terms as

OWL Annotation Properties and instances thereof (annotation facts).

[8:00] Todd Schneider: Have to go. Thank you. Cheers.

[8:09] Peter P. Yim: @MikeBennett and All - can we get "other ontologies" that you would want FIBO to

work with onto a OOR instance, so that they are all "logically" in one place (which is OOR's core

value proposition) that would be nice - more tangibly, could we get (a) the REA ontology, (b) the

OMG Date Time Vocabulary, and (c) others you can think of, into (i) the OOR-sandbox, and (ii)

Ontohub ... and then we start working out what metadata, what value-added services, will be most

helpful

[8:09] Ali Hashemi: I've got to run. Thanks!

[8:10] Michael Grüninger: The Common Logic axiomatization of OMG Date Time Vocabulary is already in

COLORE

[8:11] Mike Bennett: Great!

[8:12] Michael Grüninger: [Action Item] Upload FIBO Foundations into OntoHub

[8:13] Mike Bennett: 26 Aug version is the one to upload for FIBO-Foundations

[8:13] Mike Bennett: but we can upload what's there right now, if we like, as a sandbox

[8:14] Peter P. Yim: @Mike & Michael - since we are still experimenting, can be upload, in parallel to

Ontohub, OOR-sandbox, COLORE, etc. whichever is appropriate

[8:14] Mike Bennett: I would like to see if we can work more closely with the COLORE effort going

forward.

[8:15] Mike Bennett: There is an ongoing conversation at OMG about URIs. This covers both versioning,

and a new idea from Harold Solbrig about a URI fragment for "real things", as an OMG recommendations.

[8:20] David Eddy: Versioning, change control is absolutely critical. The work of keeping these

various tools will never be maintained manually. The process of keeping ontology/vocabulary/semantic

information MUST be woven into the normal work process. Extra work will not happen.

[8:21] David Eddy: It appears versioning is way early, so don't spend time working about it. There

are dozens of versioning tools. Just make sure you keep the door open for versioning to happen.

[8:31] Peter P. Yim: session plan confirmed - Thu 2013.07.18 OntologyBasedStandards mini-series planning

session - co-chairs: Michael Grüninger (cfmd) & Elisa Kendall (tbc)

[8:34] Peter P. Yim: we will plan out possible events for 7/23 & 7/30 in the next OOR meeting (Jul-9)

[8:33] Peter P. Yim: [consensus] the OOR team will take August-2013 off ... (like the Ontolog community)

no OOR events/meetings will be scheduled during that month

[8:33] Lamar Henderson: Will slides be posted?

[8:37] Peter P. Yim: @LamarHenderson - today's slides are already available at:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_07_02#nid3UYT

[8:35] Peter P. Yim: very productive session ... thanks!

[8:35] Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 8:34am PDT --

-- end in-session chat-transcript --

6. Action items:

  • ref. those captured in the chat-transcript (above.)

7. Any Other Business:

  • decide if we want to take Aug-2013 off too (like the Ontolog community)
    • [consensus] Yes - the OOR team will take August-2013 off ... (like the Ontolog community) no OOR events/meetings will be scheduled during that month
  • additional event scheduling (see item 8 below)

8. Schedule Next Meeting & Adjourn

  • Next Meetings:
    • Tue 2013_07_09 - regular monthly OOR team (planning/admin) meeting
    • Tue 2013_07_16 - the "OOR-Ontohub-Gatekeeper API - II" Hackathon Session (n.02) - co-chairs: Ken Baclawski & Till Mossakowski
    • we will do another "OntologyBasedStandards" session (mini-series planning) on Thu Jul-18 - Michael Grüninger (confirmed) & Elisa Kendall (t/b confirmed - Gruninger will contact her) will co-chair the session.
    • ... please mark your calendars and make sure you can come!
    • (time allowing) let's schedule sessions for the next two weeks - Tue Jul-23 & Jul-30 too! ... (discussion deferred to the next (Jul-9) OOR meeting)
  • Call adjourned at: 8:34 am PDT

--

notes taken by: Peter P. Yim / 2013.07.02-3:38pm PDT

All participants, please review and edit to enhance accuracy and granularity of the documented proceedings.

Resources

  • the Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series:
    • 2011_10_20 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-1: Introducing the ISO NP 17347 "Ontology Integration and Interoperability (OntoIOp)" Standardization Effort - Co-chairs: John Bateman & Michael Grüninger - ConferenceCall_2011_10_20
    • 2011_11_03 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-2: Invited Speaker: Elisa Kendall on "Ontology-Related Metadata Standards" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2011_11_03
    • 2012_07_17 - Tuesday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-3: "Standardisation Coordination and Ontology Repositories" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2012_07_17
    • 2012_09_20 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-4: "Common Logic" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2012_09_20
  • the OOR-IPR mini-series:
    • 2010_09_09 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-1: an exposition on relevant IPR regimes - Keynote speaker: George Strawn - Chair: Peter P. Yim - Panelists: JamieClark, John Wilbanks, Bruce Perens - ConferenceCall_2010_09_09
    • 2010_09_16 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-2: what are the IPR issues relating to open ontology repositories (and ontologies in general)? - Chair: Mark Musen - Panelists: Cameron Ross, Alan Rector, John F. Sowa, Bruce Perens, John Wilbanks, Peter P. Yim - ConferenceCall_2010_09_16
    • 2010_09_30 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-3: discussion and consensus on licensing arrangements for the OOR Initiative, and positions we might take on related IPR issues - chair: Leo Obrst - Panelists: Peter P. Yim, Mike Dean, Bruce Perens, JamieClark - ConferenceCall_2010_09_30



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