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OpenOntologyRepository: OOR Metadata Workshop-II - Fri 2011_05_13
Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-II
Session Chair: MichaelGruninger
Archives
- Please refer to the proceedings of ...
- (This session) OOR Metadata Workshop-II below
- OOR Metadata Workshop-I at OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_03_18
- Audio recording of this session [ 0:50:41 ; mp3 ; 5.8 MB ]
- chat-transcript from this session
Conference Call Details
- Date: Friday, 13-May-2011
- Start time: 6:00am PDT / 9:00am EDT / 3:00pm CEST / 2:00pm BST / 13:00 UTC
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Attendees
- Attended:
- Michael Grüninger (chair)
- Peter P. Yim (scribe)
- Tim Darr
- Yuriy Milov
- Mike Dean
- MariCarmenSuarezFigueroa
- JouniTuominen
- Ken Baclawski
- Mike Bennett
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- ... if you are coming to the meeting, please add your name above (plus your affiliation, if you aren't already a member of the community) above, or e-mail <peter.yim@cim3.com> so that we can reserve enough resources to support everyone's participation.
- Regrets:
- ...
Agenda Ideas
please insert agenda ideas below ...
- continue from the 2011.03.18 discussion on Metadata needs for the OOR
- explore what resources are needed to carry this work forward, and solicit volunteers
- ... if we have some extra time, we might spend a few minutes to see if there are questions about the OOR-Logo
References
- Proceedings of OOR Metadata Workshop-I and MichaelGruninger's opening slides from that session
- Metadata for Ontologies - [[OntologySummit2008_Communique|from the OntologySummit2008_Communique]]
- Metadata requirement - as stipulated in the OOR IPR Policy
- The Joint OpenOntologyRepository-OntologySummit2008 Panel Discussion Session - ConferenceCall_2008_04_10
- Presentation by Peter Haase "The OMV Ontology Metadata Vocabulary" at that session
- Ontology Metadata Vocabulary - OMV
- OpenOntologyRepository_Architecture
- OpenOntologyRepository_UseCases - http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/kenb/ontologies/
Agenda & Proceedings
1. Meeting called to order:
- Michael Grüninger takes the chair and welcome everyone
- Review and adopt agenda
- Peter P. Yim volunteered to keep a record of the proceedings
2. Roll Call:
- see above
- new participant introduction (as required)
- Dr. MariCarmenSuarezFigueroa from the Ontology Engineering Group (OEG) of Universidad Politécnica de Madrid, Spain
3. Key items for review and discussion today:
3.1 Opening: - by Michael Grüninger
The objective of this workshop is to address the following questions:
- Is the metadata specified by OMV adequate to support the OOR use cases? ( http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/kenb/ontologies/)
- What additional concepts related to ontology metadata (or what extensions to OMV)
are required to support the OMV use cases?
These are empirical questions that we can answer, given some effort.
3.2 Discussion:
- see archives above
- From the 2011.03.18 "OOR Metadata Workshop-I":
- 1. review Ken's use cases to validate the adequacy of OMV - near term
- 2. research, discussion, sought expert advice on state-of-art on versioning, identifier, etc. - medium term
- 3. drive the sandbox to production box transition - urgent
- Specific question for the OOR Team:
- Why do we believe that extensions to OOR are needed?
- What use cases do we have in OOR to motivate such extensions?
- Has anyone in OOR used OMV? If so, what issues have they encountered?
- Why do we believe that extensions to OOR are needed?
- continued discussion and exploration of the above ...
- explore what resources are needed to carry this work forward, and solicit volunteers
- [OT] (optionally) ... if we have some extra time, we might spend a few minutes to see if there are questions about the OOR-Logo
3.3 ===IM Chat Transcript captured during the session===
see raw transcript here.
(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)
Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.
-- begin in-session chat-transcript --
Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the
OpenOntologyRepository: OOR Metadata Workshop-I - Fri 2011_05_13
Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-II
Session Chair: Michael Grüninger
see details on the session page at:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_05_13
anonymous morphed into MariCarmenSuarezFigueroa
MariCarmenSuarezFigueroa: Bodil Nistrup
JouniTuominen: As a reference, in ONKI we describe ontologies with following metadata:
http://www.seco.tkk.fi/u/jwtuomin/tmp/onki-ontology-metadata.ttl
JouniTuominen: When we designed the metadata schema, we weren't aware of the OMV. It would be
reasonable to make it OMV-compatible, by using OMV properties when possible, and extending it when
necessary.
MariCarmenSuarezFigueroa: do you have documentation about those metadata? Any document, or figure?
Mike Bennett: Just a heads-up: we have started joint work with the OMG on Semantics Repository
standardization; a major component is how to socialize the middle/upper ontology content. We would
expect to leverage OMV terms.
Michael Grüninger: What metadata do we require to support modularity?
Michael Grüninger: What extensions to OMV are needed to support additional ontology representation
languages such as Common Logic?
Mike Bennett: We are still working out what is the best formal approach - at present we've got
placeholder terms for most content, will look at how to align with external ontologies. In
particular, not ontology-level terms but terms about terms (SKOS type of terms etc.).
Tim Darr: This is the only relationship between ontologies that we would be interested in. We
typically decompose our ontologies as taxonomies, relations, and rules.
Tim Darr: A query, it seems to me, should match against the "composition" as opposed to the
individual components.
Peter P. Yim: [action] JouniTuominen will do a comparison of the ONKI metadata schema with OMV and
report back (at the next workshop)
Michael Grüninger: @Tim: The modularity I was thinking about is along the lines of an ontology that
combines a time ontology, a product ontology, and a business process ontology, which in turn extends
a generic process ontology. How are all of these ontologies related to each other?
Tim Darr: @Mike Is that different from the OMV import relations?
Mike Bennett: THe kinds of ontologies we are looking at include UN-FAO, REA, XBRL (probably XBRL-GL),
OWL Time, OMG's Time model,
Tim Darr: OMV provides a way to list the ontologies that are imported
Mike Bennett: Future one would include GeoNames, any ISO standards that are
ontologies;
Peter P. Yim: maybe we can take MikeBennett's use cases ... and see if OMV suffices (or what extensions
are necessary to meet his needs)
Mike Bennett: Units of Measure
Mike Bennett: Action on me: Define Use Case
Mike Bennett: @Michael at 14:33 this is very much our use case
Michael Grüninger: @Tim: In COLORE, we make distinctions between conservative and nonconservative
extensions. In the latter case, some modules allow the entailment of new axioms
Mike Bennett: I am working through an example with the REA ontology to see what approaches work best.
Tim Darr: Use vs. extend, for example?
Mike Bennett: I have a draft paper on that which might be useful.
Tim Darr: Yes
Tim Darr: That sort of ontology-to-ontology relationship seems to me to be useful: what you are doing
with the ontology that you import.
Mike Bennett: Our challenges are two-fold: The SR ontology adds decorative terms (Archetypes) which
are not an OWL concept, and it disposes all high level terms under 3 top level lattices. So most
(not all) external ontologies which have owl:Thing at the top, would be redisposed under the
Sowa-derived lattice
Michael Grüninger: Would it make sense to focus on a particular domain or a particular set of
ontologies such as time?
Mike Bennett: Time ontology efforts: W3C time; OMG draft work; Mayo Clinic (Cui Tao, paper at ICBO in
Buffalo in July); FpML derived time terms; our own draft terms
Mike Bennett: Pat Hayes: Catalog of Temporal Theories
Mike Bennett: One thing we are thinking of is separating business domain specific (Legal, Accounting)
versus domain neutral things like time and math and units of measure which are not related to any
industry
MariCarmenSuarezFigueroa: Related to TimDarr's comment: with OMV you can describe the relationships
between two ontologies (imports, versions, compatibility); and if more are needed OMV can be
extended.
Peter P. Yim: In the interest (and urgency) of our need to stand up a "production" instance of the OOR
... noting that we only have a "sandbox" instance of OOR now, and that the key differentiation
between the two is the implementation of "Gate Keeping" which, among other things, *requires* anyone
who uploads an ontology to OOR to populate the metadata (which is not required for the OOR-sandbox -
Question: can we just go ahead and implement the "Gate Keeper" with OMV (as is) or (we here, take
the time to) specify a "minimal required subset" ... can we discuss this?
Mike Bennett: Tree analogy: mid level is under-specified. things like legal, country, legal entity,
are owned by some industry but are terms which other industry need to refer to (financial:
securities are contracts; insurance: risk etc.
Michael Grüninger: @MikeBennett: Which of the ontologies that you mention in your chat posts can be
submitted to OOR Sandbox?
Mike Bennett: @MichaelGruninger the thing that can be submitted at present: OMG time work when this
is done. The Mayo work definitely. Need to deduplicate these two
Michael Grüninger: Action Item 1: Focus on time ontologies as a testbed for exploring relationships
between ontologies
Ken Baclawski: The OMV would have to be extended to deal with the gatekeeping metadata such as the
owner, group, status, rights, etc. I noticed that the onki ontology has some properties dealing with
these issues.
MariCarmenSuarezFigueroa: Metadata such as status, developers, rights, etc. are also covered by OMV.
We can analyse which ones from ONKI are not covered yet by OMV.
Mike Bennett: Accounting: XBRL and REA which have related but different terms and ontological
commitments
Tim Darr: How about something like SPIN?
Michael Grüninger: Action Item: Contact GaryBergCross (SOCoP) to contribute geospatial ontologies to
OOR Sandbox
Mike Bennett: Geographical ontologies would be a very useful area to align and cross reference
ontologies (for instance UN-FAO has very specific scope; ISO 3166 has no axioms;
GeoNames?...
Mike Bennett: Geographical is a good one to focus on because it is more like an "industry" vertical
(there are expert bodies, standard bodies etc. specific to it) but it is a set of terms which almost
any ontology will need to refer to (securities; buildings management; etc.)
Mike Bennett: And if anyone wants to be involved in the OMG joint work drop me a mail
Peter P. Yim: Next session: Fri 5/20 "Architecture & API - V" ... then Fri 5/27 "Metadata III"
Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 7:01am PDT --
-- end of in-session chat-transcript --
4. Any Other Business:
5. Action items:
6. Schedule Next Meeting & Adjourn:
- Next Meeting:
- Barring unforeseen circumstances, we will be back at the "OOR Architecture API Workshop-V" next week
- Date: Fri 2011.05.20 - Start time: 6:00am PDT / 9:00am EDT / 3:00pm CEST / 2:00pm BST / 13:00 UTC (ref. worldclock)
- see developing session page is at OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_05_20
- Barring unforeseen circumstances, we will be back at the "OOR Architecture API Workshop-V" next week
- Call adjourned at: 7:01 am PDT
--
notes taken by: Peter P. Yim / 2011.05.13-___am PDT
All participants, please review and edit to enhance accuracy and granularity of the documented proceedings.
Resources
- OOR Homepage - OpenOntologyRepository - http://OpenOntologyRepository.org
- OOR Charter - To promote the global use and sharing of ontologies by: 1. establishing a hosted registry-repository; 2. enabling and facilitating open, federated, collaborative ontology repositories; 3. establishing best practices for expressing interoperable ontology and taxonomy work in registry-repositories.
- "Ontology Repository" Definition - "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and related information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed"
- Team mailling list:
- OOR-Team discussion: [ oor-forum ] message archives - http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/oor-forum/
- OOR-Users discussion and support: [ oor-users ] message archives - http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/oor-users/
- Developers mailling list: [ oor-dev ] message archives - http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/oor-dev/
- proceedings of our previous meetings, panel discussions and workshops
- the Joint OOR-OntologySummit2008 Panel Discussions:
- 2008_02_28 - Thursday: Joint OOR-OntologySummit2008 Panel Discussion: "Ontology Registry and Repository Technology & Infrastructure Landscape" - Co-chairs: Leo Obrst & Frank Olken; Panelists: Bruce Bargmeyer, Mike Dean, Mark Musen, Farrukh Najmi & Peter P. Yim - ConferenceCall_2008_02_28
- 2008_03_27 - Thursday: Joint OOR-OntologySummit2008 Panel Discussion: "An Open Ontology Repository: Rationale, Expectations & Requirements - Session-1" - Chair: Leo Obrst & Fabian Neuhaus; Panelists: William Bug, Evan Wallace, JohnLMcCarthy, Ken Baclawski, Peter Benson & Rex Brooks - ConferenceCall_2008_03_27
- 2008_04_03 - Thursday: Joint OOR-OntologySummit2008 Panel Discussion: "An Open Ontology Repository: Rationale, Expectations & Requirements - Session-2" - Chair: Leo Obrst & Fabian Neuhaus; Panelists: Doug Lenat, Deke Smith, Marcia Zeng, Denise Bedford, Pat Hayes, Mala Mehrotra & Rob Raskin - ConferenceCall_2008_04_03
- 2008_04_10 - Thursday: Joint OOR-OntologySummit2008 Panel Discussion: "Developing an Ontology of Ontologies for OOR" - Co-chairs: Barry Smith & Michael Grüninger; Panelists: Michael Grüninger, Peter Haase, Natasha Noy & Elisa Kendall - ConferenceCall_2008_04_10
- the OOR Development panel sessions:
- 2008_08_22 - Friday: OOR Panel Discussion: "Getting OOR Development Off the Ground: Identifying Synergies & Gaps" (Take-1) - Chair: Leo Obrst; Panelists: Mike Dean, Mark Musen, Li Ding, Bruce Bargmeyer & Bill Andersen - ConferenceCall_2008_08_22
- 2009_02_19 - Thursday: Joint Ontolog-OOR Panel Discussion: "Getting OOR Development Off the Ground (Take-2): the work begins" - Chair: Todd Schneider; Panelists: Mark Musen, Natasha Noy, Mike Dean, Paul Buitelaar / Andreas Harth, Mathieu Daquin, Ken Baclawski, Michael Grüninger - ConferenceCall_2009_02_19
- 2009_07_16 - Thursday: Joint Ontolog-OOR Panel Discussion: "Integrated tools for ontology development and management: A field guide to the Stanford technology" - Chair: Mark Musen - Panelists: Tania Tudorache, Tim Redmond, Natasha Noy - ConferenceCall_2009_07_16
- 2009_07_30 - Thursday: Joint Ontolog-OOR Panel Discussion: "BioPortal and related Ontology Repository Implementations and Development" (Take-3) - Chair: Natasha Noy - Panelists: Carlos Rueda, Paul Alexander, John Graybeal, Mike Dean, StephenGranite, AlexGarcia, Ken Baclawski - ConferenceCall_2009_07_30
- 2010_02_19 - Friday: OOR Panel Discussion: "Coordinating our Open Ontology Repository Software Development" - Chair: Mike Dean - Panelists: Jim Chatigny, Michael Grüninger, Ken Baclawski, Natasha Noy - OOR/ConferenceCall_2010_02_19
- 2010_04_01 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog Panel Session: "OOR Use Cases - Take-3" - Chair: Ken Baclawski & Todd Schneider - Panelists: Todd Schneider, Matthew Hettinger, Ken Baclawski and Máximo Gurméndez - ConferenceCall_2010_04_01
- 2010_09_10 - Friday: Joint SIO-OOR-Ontolog Panel Discussion: "Common Logic (CL) Support for OOR" - Chair: John F. Sowa - Panelists: JohnBateman-TillMossakowski, Michael Grüninger, Cameron Ross, Adam Pease, Pat Hayes - ConferenceCall_2010_09_10
- 2010_09_17 - Friday: OOR Panel Discussion - "Getting OOR Development Going - Take-IV" Workshop - Co-chairs: Todd Schneider & Michael Grüninger - Panelists: Todd Schneider, Mike Dean, Natasha Noy, Immanuel Normann, Ken Baclawski, Michael Grüninger - OOR/ConferenceCall_2010_09_17
- 2010_10_15 - Friday: OOR Project Team Member Conference Call - discussion on the (post-BioPortal fork) OOR Architecture and API - OOR/ConferenceCall_2010_10_15
- 2010_11_19 - Friday: OOR Panel Discussion - "(Post-BioPortal fork) OOR Architecture and API - Take-II" - Co-chairs: Ken Baclawski & Michael Grüninger - Panelists: KenBaclawski+ToddSchneider, AldoGangemi+AlessandroAdamou, JouniTuominen+KimViljanen, Eric Chan - OOR/ConferenceCall_2010_11_19
- 2011_03_04 - Friday: OOR "Architecture & API Specification Development Workshop-I" - Co-chairs: Ken Baclawski & Todd Schneider - OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_03_04
- 2011_03_11 - Friday: OOR - "Architecture & API Specification Development Workshop-II" - Co-chairs: Ken Baclawski & Todd Schneider - OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_03_11
- 2011_03_18 - Friday: OOR Metadata Workshop-I - Chair: Michael Grüninger - OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_03_18
- 2011_03_25 - Friday: OOR - "Architecture & API Specification Development Workshop-III" - Co-chairs: Ken Baclawski & Todd Schneider - OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_03_25
- 2011_04_22 - Friday: OOR - "Architecture & API Specification Development Workshop-IV" - Co-chairs: Ken Baclawski & Todd Schneider - OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_04_22
- 2011_05_13 - Friday: OOR Metadata Workshop-II - Chair: Michael Grüninger - OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_05_13
- the OOR-IPR mini-series:
- 2010_09_09 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-1: an exposition on relevant IPR regimes - Keynote speaker: George Strawn - Chair: Peter P. Yim - Panelists: JamieClark, John Wilbanks, Bruce Perens - ConferenceCall_2010_09_09
- 2010_09_16 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-2: what are the IPR issues relating to open ontology repositories (and ontologies in general)? - Chair: Mark Musen - Panelists: Cameron Ross, Alan Rector, John F. Sowa, Bruce Perens, John Wilbanks, Peter P. Yim - ConferenceCall_2010_09_16
- 2010_09_30 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-3: discussion and consensus on licensing arrangements for the OOR Initiative, and positions we might take on related IPR issues - chair: Leo Obrst - Panelists: Peter P. Yim, Mike Dean, Bruce Perens, JamieClark - ConferenceCall_2010_09_30
- OntologySummit2008 homepage
- OntologySummit2008_Communique
- OntologySummit2008/FaceToFaceAgenda & Proceedings
- The OOR Project Presentation (delivered at the Ontology Summit 2008 face-to-face workshop)
- [ ontology-summit ] discussion archives - http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2008-01/ (~5 months exchanges starting from Jan-2008)
- Our key content pages:
- OpenOntologyRepository_Scope
- OpenOntologyRepository_Organization
- OpenOntologyRepository_Process
- OpenOntologyRepository_Policy
- OpenOntologyRepository_IPR
- OpenOntologyRepository_Requirement
- OpenOntologyRepository_UseCases
- OpenOntologyRepository_Architecture
- OpenOntologyRepository_Approach
- OpenOntologyRepository_Roadmap
- OpenOntologyRepository_Plan
- OpenOntologyRepository_Funding
- OpenOntologyRepository_ResearchIssues
- OpenOntologyRepository_ResearchActivity
- OpenOntologyRepository_Development
- OpenOntologyRepository_Metadata
- OOR/ActiveMemberContribution
- OOR Project site at SemWebCentral - http://oor.semwebcentral.org
- Public sandbox instance of OOR (OOR-sandbox) - http://sandbox.oor.net/ontologies (previously http://oor-01.cim3.net/ontologies)
- OOR_SandBox
- NCBO - BioPortal
- NCBO-OOR development documentation - http://www.bioontology.org/wiki/index.php/NCBO-OOR_Development