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OpenOntologyRepository: Metadata Workshop-V - Tue 2012_01_17     (1)

Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-V: Crosswalk between OMV & CTS2, and other relevant work by the NIH/NCI-ORWG     (1A)

Session Chair: MichaelGruninger (University of Toronto)     (1B)

Panelists from NIH/NCI ORWG:     (1C)

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Abstract     (1I)

Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-V: Crosswalk between OMV & CTS2, and other relevant work by the NIH/NCI-ORWG     (1I1)

Folks from the NIH/NCI-ORWG team will be presenting results from their crosswalk between OMV and CTS2 exercise, as well as other pertinent work relating to metadata.     (1I2)

In particular, see ...     (1I3)

HaroldSolbrig's recent mapping of OMV to CTS2; where the results can be found at: Harold referred to an analysis Stuart Turner had done examining whether RxNorm (as specific instance of a terminology) actually has the metadata as outlined by OMV and that analysis is at:     (1I4)

After the presentation from the ORWG team, we will have an open discussion to compare notes and insights on various aspects of metadata as related to their use in ontology repositories.     (1I5)

SherriDeCoronado has mapped NCBO to OMV to OMV+ (the ontology representation working group's (ORWG's) ad hoc, temporary name for the version/extension to OMV), which can be found at:     (1I6)

References     (1J)

Agenda & Proceedings     (1K)

1. Meeting called to order ... opening, participants' self-introductions. (~10 min.)     (1K1)

2. introduction of the panel - chair: Michael Grüninger (~5 min.)     (1K2)

3. Presentation of the subject NIH/NCI-ORWG work - Harold Solbrig (~30 min.) ... [ slides ]     (1K3)

4. Additional remarks from the rest of the panel - SherriDeCoronado & Brian Davis (10~15 min.)     (1K4)

5. Q & A and Open discussion (~30 min.) ... (ref. process above)     (1K5)

6. Wrap-up: Announcements and Follow-up actions (where applicable) - chair: Michael Grüninger     (1K6)

Transcript of the online chat during the session     (1L)

see raw transcript here.     (1L1)

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)     (1L2)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.     (1L3)

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --     (1L4)

Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the     (1L5)

OpenOntologyRepository: Metadata Workshop-V - Tue 2012_01_17     (1L6)

Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-V: Crosswalk between OMV & CTS2,     (1L7)

and other relevant work by the NIH/NCI-ORWG     (1L8)

Session Chair: Michael Grüninger (University of Toronto)     (1L9)

Panelists from NIH/NCI ORWG: * Harold Solbrig (Mayo Clinic) * SherriDeCoronado (NCI/NIH) * Brian Davis     (1L10)

(3rd Millennium / Booz Allen Hamilton)     (1L11)

Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute     (1L13)

Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad"     (1L14)

. == Proceedings: == .     (1L15)

anonymous morphed into Harold Solbrig     (1L16)

anonymous morphed into LiamDGray     (1L17)

anonymous morphed into Tom Tinsley     (1L18)

anonymous morphed into Rick Kiefer     (1L19)

MyCoyne: How do I indicate other people in the same room with me?     (1L20)

AmandaVizedom1 morphed into Amanda Vizedom     (1L21)

anonymous morphed into Gilberto Fragoso     (1L22)

anonymous morphed into Sherri de Coronado     (1L23)

anonymous2 morphed into Troy Bleeker (Mayo)     (1L24)

anonymous1 morphed into Dale Suesse     (1L25)

anonymous morphed into James Odell     (1L26)

Rick Kiefer: Harold is unable to connect to vpn. Please reference this copy of the slides -     (1L27)

anonymous morphed into Dean Allemang     (1L29)

Michael Grüninger: Note that we are now on slide 21 (not 26 as Harold just said)     (1L30)

Peter P. Yim: @MyCoyne - please post (on this chat space) the names of people who are with you now, if     (1L31)

you please - I'll capture that into the attendees roster later.     (1L32)

Dean Allemang: Darn! My call just dropped. I was interested in understanding how CTS2 versions works     (1L34)

with OWL2 versioning. The call dropped while he was explaining this.     (1L35)

Peter P. Yim: @Dean - hope you can call back in     (1L36)

Peter P. Yim: on slide#54 now     (1L37)

Peter P. Yim: on slide#55 [9:31am PST]     (1L38)

Dean Allemang: I made it back in a minute later, but that was too late for this discussion     (1L39)

Peter P. Yim: @Dean - we'll have some time for Q&A and open discussion     (1L40)

Dean Allemang: and those versions are all related together according to the OWL2 standard?     (1L42)

Dean Allemang: even in production, that can be a problem     (1L44)

Todd Schneider: A question: How did use of REST help?     (1L46)

Harold Solbrig: @Todd - identifying the resources, assigning identity, determining which     (1L47)

characteristics are key vs. accidental was one aspect.     (1L48)

Harold Solbrig: The second was the removal of dependencies - our earlier models had containment models     (1L49)

Todd Schneider: Harold, thank you.     (1L50)

Harold Solbrig: COde systems "contained" definitions. REST made us refactor into "Class describedInVersion"     (1L51)

Harold Solbrig: Especially important as in the Semantic Web world, Class to ontologyVersion is n..m     (1L52)

Todd Schneider: Harold, could you remind me of the definition of 'code system'?     (1L53)

MyCoyne: Where do I get Sherri's presentation, please?     (1L54)

Harold Solbrig: Code set, classification system, thesaurus, ontology, glossary     (1L55)

Mike Bennett: With terminology you've also got the whole ISO 1087 / SBVR world of terms.     (1L56)

Harold Solbrig: @Todd - some people use "Ontology" to represent all of those things, but then you     (1L57)

need a different term for small "ontology"     (1L58)

Todd Schneider: Harold, got it. Short memory span.     (1L59)

Peter P. Yim: @MyCoyne - Sherri doesn't have slides, she is introducing the ORWG and their work - see:     (1L60)

Todd Schneider: Some people don't understand many things.     (1L62)

Todd Schneider: Harold, how would you see CTS2 fitting into the OOR architecture?     (1L63)

Harold Solbrig: The number of things that I don't understand is infinite.     (1L64)

Todd Schneider: Harold, you have a start - a rough metric     (1L65)

Harold Solbrig: CTS2 could serve as one of the REST (and, perhaps SOAP) API's to allow federation and sharing.     (1L66)

Harold Solbrig: The advantage being that you don't necessarily HAVE to absorb everything.     (1L67)

Harold Solbrig: You can reference other catalogs elsewhere on the net.     (1L68)

Todd Schneider: Ken, do you see using something like CTS2 as part of the workflow engine?     (1L69)

Todd Schneider: A goal of the OOR architecture is provide a specification (in the sense that Harold described).     (1L70)

Todd Schneider: Harold, did I understand you correctly that the CTS2 specification is not publicly     (1L71)

available yet?     (1L72)

Harold Solbrig: @Todd - public. Available from the OMG site or the CTS2 URL I sent. Again, a bit     (1L73)

opaque and being clarified...     (1L74)

DeborahMacPherson: Great Presentation! Got a lot from it - thanks - need to take off for another     (1L75)

conference call.     (1L76)

Ken Baclawski: @Todd - it is not part of the workflow engine. The workflow engine is configurable so     (1L77)

it should be possible to specify CTS2 as one possible workflow.     (1L78)

Todd Schneider: We should consider the use of CTS2 in the OOR for terminology mediation.     (1L79)

Todd Schneider: Harold, thank you for an excellent presentation. Have to go.     (1L80)

Harold Solbrig: Thanks. I'm going to have to go in about 2 minutes as well.     (1L81)

Peter P. Yim: great session, thanks everyone!     (1L82)

Peter P. Yim: -- session ended 10:06am PST --     (1L84)

-- end of in-session chat-transcript --     (1L85)

6.1 Any Other Business:     (1L86)

6.2 Action items:     (1L87)

6.3 Schedule Next Meeting & Adjourn:     (1L88)

notes taken by: Peter P. Yim / 2012.01.17-10:27am PST     (1L92)

All participants, please review and edit to enhance accuracy and granularity of the documented proceedings.     (1L93)

Resources     (1M)

  • the Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series:     (1M13)
    • 2011_10_20 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-1: Introducing the ISO NP 17347 "Ontology Integration and Interoperability (OntoIOp)" Standardization Effort - Co-chairs: John Bateman & Michael Grüninger - ConferenceCall_2011_10_20     (1M13A)
    • 2011_11_03 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-2: Invited Speaker: Elisa Kendall on "Ontology-Related Metadata Standards" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2011_11_03     (1M13B)
    • 2011_12_15 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-3: "ISO/IEC 24707 Common Logic and IKL" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2011_12_15     (1M13C)

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