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OpenOntologyRepository: "Revisiting the OOR Strategy and Tactics" Discussion Session - Tue 2013_05_28

Session Topic: OOR Strategy-III: "Revisiting the OOR Strategy and Tactics - I" Discussion

Session Co-chairs: PeterYim & MikeDean

This is a regular OOR Team meeting. The last time we did "OOR Strategy & Tactics" was in Nov-2012. Since it has been six months already, and so much has happened since, particularly the very successful Ontology Summit 2013 and the OntologySummit2013_Hackathon_Clinics activities which OOR members had a strong presence, it is high time we take a good look at the OOR Strategy & Tactics again. We will do some soul searching, as well as pick up from where we left off at OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_11_20.

Conference Call Details

  • Date: Tuesday, 28-May-2013
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Attendees

  • Expecting:
    • (please add yourself to the list above if you are a member of the community, or, rsvp to <peter.yim@cim3.com> with the event title/date and your name and affiliation)
  • Regrets:
    • ...

Agenda Ideas

  • Get everyone's top "SWOT" insights for OOR
  • Consider "changes" - in our approach/organization/process
  • Renewed "focus"
    • action plans - short/medium term
    • action plans - medium/long term
    • review and update our OOR "Priorities & Most Critical Tasks At Hand" List
  • ... (add yours)

Agenda & Proceedings

Archives:

1. Meeting called to order:

  • Mike Dean & Peter P. Yim took the chair and welcome everyone
  • Peter P. Yim volunteered to collate the notes, but urged everyone to capture their thoughts and document them on the chat board, as usual.
  • review and adopt agenda
  • Urgent items or quick announcements

2. Roll Call:

  • welcome and intro of new member(s) (if applicable)

3. Key discussion:

  • 3.1 Get everyone's top "SWOT" insights (with a twist) for OOR
    • "Strength": one (or two) top "value" you are gaining that makes you think the time you put into OOR is worth it
    • "Weakness": if you had thought of quitting from OOR, what would have been the key reason(s)
    • "Opportunity": given what we have now, what is the one (or two) thing we can do that would allow OOR to make a huge (at least meaningful) impact
    • "Threat": if OOR would cease to be around in 1~5 years, what do you think would have been the most major cause?
  • 3.2 Consider "changes" - discussion
    • what are the things we "should not change"
    • changes to our "approach"
    • changes to our "organization"
    • changes to our "process"

most of the content below are inherited from the previous call(s), and will be edited/updated as this meeting progresses ...

  • 3.4 OOR session/program/event planning
    • Strategy series - "Revisiting OOR Strategy & Tactics" - co-chairs: Peter P. Yim & Mike Dean (?) - Tue 2013.05.28 (today!)
    • Hackathon series - "OOR-Ontohub API" - co-chairs: Till Mossakowski & Ken Baclawski - Tue 2013.06.18 ... Gateekeper will be on the agenda of this session too
    • Metadata series - "Ontology Metadata for FIBO and related Ontologies" - Tue 2013.07.02 - co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & Mike Bennett
  • 3.5 Member activities updates - Review: members and OOR-related activities (list from 2013.05.21) ... (deferred discussion of this item)
    • OOR-sandbox status
    • code repository status
    • NCBO - BioPortal updates
    • NEU - Gatekeeper, ...
    • Raytheon-BBN - federation, ...
    • UToronto - COLORE
    • Ryerson (BartGajderowicz will join MichaelGruninger's team at U of Toronto soon)
    • Bremen - Ontohub
    • Mathet
    • SOCoP_INTEROP - SOCoP-OOR
    • DataONE
    • NeOn (KMi and STL)
    • ONKI
    • KBSI
    • MMI
    • Use Cases
    • Architecture
    • API
    • Metadata
    • Gatekeeping
    • production OOR instance
    • SIO
    • ICOM / DERI
    • content drive
    • Funding

4. Prior Discussions:

4.1 Discussion: tactically, what shall we be doing differently in the next 6 to 12 months

  • Focused discussion on the tactics and action plans that will help put the recently refined OOR Strategy in place
    • explore how we might possibly leverage

... to provide synergies for all.

4.2 Setting the metrics - what does "success" look like

4.3 Action planning for "content drive" (getting people to upload ontologies) ... (deferred discussion of this item)

  • (discussion 2011.05.06):
    • an adopted Architecture & API is definitely crucial, but that's not all
  • All team members are encouraged to mull over how we can get to that state effectively
    • in particular ... how do we make this a "successful" community-driven, open source project!?
  • (discussion 2011.08.07) ...
    • ref. IAOA Committee and SIG session at FOIS (2012.07.25) discussion:
      • IAOA Ontology Registry and Repository Committee to put focus on contents
      • getting FOIS papers to be submitted with cited ontologies and their metadata, and have those ontologies hosted on OOR
  • 4.5 OOR instances OOR: status update and coordination ... (deferred discussion of this item)
  • OOR: sandbox, devbox, test-instance, socop, colore, ontohub, ornl-daac, mmi-orr, new ncbo-appliance, ... status update and coordination
  • 4.6 Getting us to a stage when we can run a OOR-production box ... (deferred discussion of this item)
    • we need a gatekeeping/policy module in place - [KenBaclawski]

5. IM Chat Transcript captured during the session

see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --

[8:26] Peter P. Yim: welcome to the

OpenOntologyRepository: "Revisiting the OOR Strategy and Tactics" Discussion Session - Tue 2013_05_28

session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_05_28

Attendees: Peter P. Yim (co-chair), Mike Dean (co-chair), Bob Smith, Leo Obrst, Michael Grüninger,

Mike Bennett, Oliver Kutz, TillMossakowski.

Proceedings:

[8:28] Peter P. Yim: Hi Michael ...

[8:37] Peter P. Yim: == starting session with the slides ...

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_05_28#nid3TD6

[8:50] Peter P. Yim: == our SWOT analysis ...

[8:50] Peter P. Yim: === "Strength": one (or two) top "value" you are gaining that makes you think the

time you put into OOR is worth it

[8:51] Michael Grüninger: collaboration opportunities ... coordination of our individual efforts with

ontology repositories

[8:51] Mike Bennett: The potential for common, shared semantics for reuse in our standards efforts.

[8:51] Till Mossakowski: the decentralized service-based architecture

[8:52] Mike Dean: leading edge for anticipated future repository BAAs and other procurements

[8:52] Leo Obrst: When we first started, there were no ontology repositories, and in fact many

thought there was no need. I think they are still absolutely necessary: for ontology and vocabulary

mapping and interoperability, with supporting services.

[8:52] Peter P. Yim: potential of being part of an infrastructure initiative that creates a component

which will fill a strategic gap for Ontology (as a technology and a discipline) to grow

[9:00] Peter P. Yim: out of curiosity ... was "mutual help to get funded" a value to people?

[9:02] Peter P. Yim: responses: ... useful for projects like: SOCoP, Ken, Till ... Michael (not so far,

but later)

[9:03] Peter P. Yim: === "Weakness": if you had thought of quitting from OOR, what would have been the

key reason(s) ... don't say "not enough time" though, as that is just a matter of priority ...

provide the next granular-level response, "why is this not worth spending your precious time on?"

[9:05] Peter P. Yim: it is not making the kind of impact I would have hoped it will (at least not so

far)

[9:06] Leo Obrst: Too slow progress relative to other efforts: Ontology Summit, Earth Science -

Ontology series, many work projects.

[9:06] Mike Dean: limited direct return on investment so far

[9:06] Michael Grüninger: lack of progress on common architecture

[9:06] Mike Bennett: If we weren't producing our ontologies in OWL (which we now are); if we could

not find suitably reusable, standards-based ontologies (which we haven't really looked for); or if

my management were not aware of OOR because it's down in the weeds from their perspective and they

don't really know what it adds to my deliverables bottom line.

[9:07] Till Mossakowski: there has been no implementation apart from BioPortal (and even the OOR

modifications of BioPortal are trivial). I think OOR's top-down approach for software implementation

does not work.

[9:14] Peter P. Yim: ==== what is the one thing that the team could do to mitigate the issue you cited above

[9:17] Leo Obrst: Joint funding would help. Also, perhaps we should position OOR as providing plugin

services to BioPortal, e.g., rather than trying to do it all.

[9:17] Michael Grüninger: perhaps try a bottom-up approach, where we address the OOR issues in the

context of our individual projects, and then come together to identify how we can best coordinate

work, share ideas, and reuse implementations

[9:17] Mike Dean: identifying a qualified funding opportunity

[9:23] Leo Obrst: Following on Mike Dean's comments: some of us had hoped that big science NSF

efforts such as Earth Cube would show the need for ontology repositories, and thereby push some

funding.

[9:17] Till Mossakowski: funding will help, we need more resources for ontology development and

implementation

[9:17] Mike Bennett: If the OOR repository contained the standard ontologies we would use as a key

part of our shared semantics strategy. And made some contribution to how those are accessed and

referenced etc.

[9:17] Peter P. Yim: to increase OOR's impact: get into one of two domains where OOR will the default

place for those people to find their ontologies (like what BioPortal is doing for the biomedical

informatics domain.)

[9:25] Mike Bennett: One or two domains: ontologies based in law, commerce and accounting would

provide many of our building blocks. Also real estate, construction.

[9:26] Leo Obrst: I don't think a domain focus will help. I think BioPortal is not bound to just

biomedical ontologies.

[9:34] Peter P. Yim: domain possibilities: SOCoP (geospatial), OntologyBasedStandards, Finance (FIBO,

accounting, legal, real estate), Academic Papers (Gruninger ...)

[9:41] Peter P. Yim: Till: we are focusing on a couple of domains too: SpacePortal, ConceptPortal,

(similar to BioPortal)

[9:37] anonymous morphed into Bob Smith

[9:41] Peter P. Yim: === "Opportunity": given what we have now, what is the one (or two) thing we can do

that would allow OOR to make a huge (at least meaningful) impact

[9:44] Mike Bennett: Make the published standards ontologies available that have wide application

e.g. W3C Organization, as they become available. And make their status, usage clear and accessible.

[9:44] Peter P. Yim: (as before) build domain focus and reach out to the domains ... in order of

viability - Academic paper, Finance, Standards, ...

[9:44] Leo Obrst: Unsure really. Maybe provide services for some of the Ontology Summit ontology

evaluation tools, vocabulary->ontology mapping service, enhanced ontology/vocabulary versioning

service.

[10:01] Till Mossakowski: we will provide ontology mapping and versioning on Ontohub soon (before Sept.)

[9:45] Michael Grüninger: content that will be used by multiple users and communities

[9:45] Bob Smith: BIM (Building Information Modeling and resulting models) are at the heart of city

sustainability thinking- and some OOR efforts have been going on (IN Germany, esp.) for several

years. Simply need better awareness between those doing BIM OOR and those needing BIM OOR...

[9:45] Peter P. Yim: (a totally separate idea that came out of the Ontology Summit 2013 postmortem

session) tackle: what we could do to enable/improve "Reasoning over the LOD Cloud"

[9:45] Till Mossakowski: come up with software tools that help in the daily ontology development and

maintenance work

[9:45] Mike Dean: Identifying a significant corpus of ontologies that a community needs help

navigating. In addition to standards, ontology design patterns might be a good candidate.

[9:53] Mike Dean: We could populate ODPs in OOR from http://ontologydesignpatterns.org

[9:54] Mike Dean: GaryBergCross and Krzysztof Janowicz have been advocating use of ODPs in SOCoP (and

SOCoP OOR) for some time

[9:48] Mike Bennett: Can I suggest a second thing: ontology visualization, as an aid to people

knowing what they can reuse and how.

[9:46] Michael Grüninger: note from earlier: a student project will start in September to harvest

ontologies from the journal and conference literature

[9:53] Michael Grüninger: @Till: yes, the plan was to upload the ontologies to OntoHub

[9:57] Leo Obrst: Folks, I must leave at 1 pm.

[9:57] Till Mossakowski: me too

[9:58] Mike Dean: Perhaps there's a branding opportunity for an OntologyStore or OntStore, leveraging

some of the current buzz over various AppStores in the mobile and (at least within government

/ DoD software procurement /) desktop space.

[9:59] Bob Smith: NOTE - Linked Open Data vs. Levels of Detail (of a BIM Model)

[10:02] Leo Obrst: Bye, folks!

[10:04] Peter P. Yim: Part-2 of this "Strategy-Tactics" session is now scheduled for Tue 2013.06.18 ...

(MichaelGruninger will not be available on Jun-25) ... Thanks to agreement by Till Mossakowski to

swap their hackathon session date, the "OOR-Ontohub-Gatekeeper API" Hackathon Session (co-chairs:

Till Mossakowski & KenBaclawski) will now be on Tue 2013.06.25

[10:06] Peter P. Yim: great session ... thanks everyone for your input! ... I think the ideas support

one another very well and viable solutions are emerging ... let's continue on Tue 2013.06.18 same

time ... talk to you all then! (Note that there will be no OOR meeting on Jun-4 and Jun-11.)

[10:06] Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 10:05am PDT --

-- end in-session chat-transcript --

6. (Other) Action items:

  • ...

7. Any Other Business:

  • ...

8. Schedule Next Meeting & Adjourn:

  • Next Meetings:
    • we will be pausing for 2 weeks - next Meeting Tue 2013_06_18 - continuation of this OOR Strategy-Tactics session: "Revisiting the OOR Strategy and Tactics - II" - co-chairs: Peter P. Yim & Mike Dean
    • (Thanks to Till Mossakowski for agreeing to swap dates) the "OOR-Ontohub-Gatekeeper API" Hackathon Session will now be on Tue 2013.06.25 - co-chairs: Till Mossakowski & Ken Baclawski
    • after that, Tue 2013.07.02 will be for the "Ontology Metadata for FIBO and related Ontologies" session - co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & Mike Bennett
    • ... please mark your calendars and make sure you can come!
  • Call adjourned at: 10:05 am PDT

--

notes taken by: Peter P. Yim / 2013.05.28-11:40am PDT

All participants, please review and edit to enhance accuracy and granularity of the documented proceedings.

Resources

  • the Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series:
    • 2011_10_20 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-1: Introducing the ISO NP 17347 "Ontology Integration and Interoperability (OntoIOp)" Standardization Effort - Co-chairs: John Bateman & Michael Grüninger - ConferenceCall_2011_10_20
    • 2011_11_03 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-2: Invited Speaker: Elisa Kendall on "Ontology-Related Metadata Standards" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2011_11_03
    • 2012_07_17 - Tuesday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-3: "Standardisation Coordination and Ontology Repositories" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2012_07_17
    • 2012_09_20 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-4: "Common Logic" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2012_09_20
  • the OOR-IPR mini-series:
    • 2010_09_09 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-1: an exposition on relevant IPR regimes - Keynote speaker: George Strawn - Chair: Peter P. Yim - Panelists: JamieClark, John Wilbanks, Bruce Perens - ConferenceCall_2010_09_09
    • 2010_09_16 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-2: what are the IPR issues relating to open ontology repositories (and ontologies in general)? - Chair: Mark Musen - Panelists: Cameron Ross, Alan Rector, John F. Sowa, Bruce Perens, John Wilbanks, Peter P. Yim - ConferenceCall_2010_09_16
    • 2010_09_30 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-3: discussion and consensus on licensing arrangements for the OOR Initiative, and positions we might take on related IPR issues - chair: Leo Obrst - Panelists: Peter P. Yim, Mike Dean, Bruce Perens, JamieClark - ConferenceCall_2010_09_30



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