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OpenOntologyRepository: OOR Team Conference Call - Tue 2013_05_21

This is a regular monthly OOR Team meeting. This is the first time we resume our regular OOR meetings, after pausing and diverting the OOR team's effort to support Ontology Summit 2013 (which has since concluded.) We will pick up from where we left off with the regular team meeting agenda and other proposed agenda items.

Conference Call Details

  • Date: Tuesday, 21-May-2013
  • Start Time: 8:30am PDT / 11:30am EDT / 5:30pm CEST / 4:30pm BST / 15:30 UTC
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Attendees

  • Expecting:
    • (please add yourself to the list above if you are a member of the community, or, rsvp to <peter.yim@cim3.com> with the event title/date and your name and affiliation)

Agenda Ideas

  • retrospect (from the OOR vantage point) - supporting and leveraging Ontology Summit 2013
  • discussion and confirmation: support to TillMossakowski's OntoLATIN proposal - with OOR as a "cooperation partner"
  • OOR session/program/event planning
  • regular OOR team status review
  • review/update the OOR "Priorities & Most Critical Tasks At Hand" List
    • continue discussion on the tactics and action plans that will help put the recently refined OOR Strategy in place
  • establish time for next few meetings; review regular meeting time
  • ... (add yours)

Agenda & Proceedings

Archives:

1. Meeting called to order:

  • Peter P. Yim took the chair and welcome everyone
  • Peter P. Yim volunteered to collate the notes, but urged everyone to capture their thoughts and document them on the chat board, as usual.
  • review and adopt agenda
  • Urgent items or quick announcements

2. Roll Call:

  • welcome and intro of new member(s) (if applicable)

3. Key discussion:

  • 3.1 retrospect (from the OOR vantage point) - supporting and leveraging Ontology Summit 2013
    • everyone thought the hackathons were very useful, so much so that we should do this regularly at OOR
    • ref. other comment on the chat-transcript (below)
  • 3.2 Announcements & Reports
    • none!
  • 3.3 discussion and confirmation: support to TillMossakowski's OntoLATIN proposal - with OOR as a "cooperation partner"
    • [consensus] unanimously agreed to provide Till and the OntoLATIN proposal with a support letter
  • 3.4 OOR session/program/event planning
    • Strategy series - "Revisiting OOR Strategy & Tactics" - co-chairs: Peter P. Yim & Mike Dean (?) - Tue 2013.05.28
    • Hackathon series - "OOR-Ontohub API" - co-chairs: Till Mossakowski & Ken Baclawski - Tue 2013.06.18 ... Gateekeper will be on the agenda of this session too
    • Metadata series - "Ontology Metadata for FIBO and related Ontologies" - Tue 2013.07.02 - co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & Mike Bennett
  • 3.5 regular OOR team status review - see parties involved below
  • 3.5 Member activities updates - Review: members and OOR-related activities (2012.07.10) ... (briefly went through this, for those who were present)
    • OOR-sandbox status
    • code repository status
    • NCBO - BioPortal updates
    • NEU - Gatekeeper, ...
    • Raytheon-BBN - federation, ...
    • UToronto - COLORE
    • Ryerson (BartGajderowicz will join MichaelGruninger's team at U of Toronto soon)
    • Bremen - Ontohub
    • Mathet
    • SOCoP_INTEROP - SOCoP-OOR
    • DataONE
    • NeOn (KMi and STL)
    • ONKI
    • KBSI
    • MMI
    • Use Cases
    • Architecture
    • API
    • Metadata
    • Gatekeeping
    • production OOR instance
    • SIO
    • ICOM / DERI
    • content drive
    • Funding

most of the content below are inherited from the previous call(s), and will be edited/updated as this meeting progresses ...

4. Prior Discussions:

4.1 Discussion: tactically, what shall we be doing differently in the next 6 to 12 months

  • Focused discussion on the tactics and action plans that will help put the recently refined OOR Strategy in place

... to provide synergies for all.

4.2 Setting the metrics - what does "success" look like

4.3 Action planning for "content drive" (getting people to upload ontologies) ... (deferred discussion of this item)

  • (discussion 2011.05.06):
    • an adopted Architecture & API is definitely crucial, but that's not all
  • All team members are encouraged to mull over how we can get to that state effectively
    • in particular ... how do we make this a "successful" community-driven, open source project!?
  • (discussion 2011.08.07) ...
    • ref. IAOA Committee and SIG session at FOIS (2012.07.25) discussion:
      • IAOA Ontology Registry and Repository Committee to put focus on contents
      • getting FOIS papers to be submitted with cited ontologies and their metadata, and have those ontologies hosted on OOR
  • 4.5 OOR instances OOR: status update and coordination ... (deferred discussion of this item)
  • OOR: sandbox, devbox, test-instance, socop, colore, ontohub, ornl-daac, mmi-orr, new ncbo-appliance, ... status update and coordination
  • 4.6 Getting us to a stage when we can run a OOR-production box ... (deferred discussion of this item)
    • we need a gatekeeping/policy module in place - [KenBaclawski]

5. IM Chat Transcript captured during the session

see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --

[8:33] Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the

OpenOntologyRepository: OOR Team Conference Call - Tue 2013_05_21

session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_05_21

Attendees: Peter P. Yim (chair), Bob Smith, Ken Baclawski, Michael Grüninger, Mike Bennett,

Mike Dean, Oliver Kutz (in chat-room only), Till Mossakowski

proceedings:

[8:39] Peter P. Yim: == please post your thoughts: retrospect (from the OOR vantage point) - supporting

and leveraging Ontology Summit 2013

[8:40] Michael Grüninger: the use of hackathons as a way of spurring progress on the implementation side

[8:41] Mike Bennett: Valuable findings on ontology assessment tools and methodology - wonder how this

would fit in with OOR e.g. gatekeeping, formal process?

[8:41] Peter P. Yim: generally it was great! ... the Hackathon gave us an opportunity to get down to do

some (way overdue) real work ...

[8:41] Till Mossakowski: It was great to discuss the OOR API at HC-07 with Ken and Peter. We have

made significant progress.

[8:41] Ken Baclawski: The hackathon was a great advance. We should repeat it.

[8:42] Mike Bennett: Some valuable thoughts on use of upper ontologies, considerations around

different partitions / ontological commitments, came out of some of the Track C presentations, which

I think are relevant to OOR in terms of how ontologies may or may not relate to one another.

[8:42] Peter P. Yim: ... we didn't have a chance to incorporate OOPS! as a service for the OOR-sandbox;

I think we should still do it ... hopefully, with the "new" API that was agreed upon during the Hackathon

[8:43] Bob Smith: The next major advance in the National Building Information Modeling Standard,

likely 2016 time frame, may be distributed BIM models. Current concerns with low trustworthiness

makes any significant industry and gov't participation for funding questionable UNLESS there are

built in Quality Evaluation methods, metrics, and "enforcements". SO the hackathons were most useful

[8:44] Peter P. Yim: Michael: think "OOR Hackathon"

[8:45] Bob Smith: I'm also fascinated with the potentials of FIBO and Industry Specific Ontology

Frameworks in general - especially as Buildings within Cities require Funding and PPP Contractual

alignments with infrastructure threats...

[8:48] Bob Smith: Amanda's approach to Hackathon design - using the graphic tools within Google Docs

to express specific models with annotation was especially helpful to me...

[8:49] Peter P. Yim: Mike Bennett: community would benefit from a more extensive presentation of what

transpired from the FIBO Ontology Evaluation Clinic ... and formalizing that process would be good too

[8:50] Peter P. Yim: maybe we could consider fitting regular "hackathon" work sessions into our monthly

OOR meeting routines

[8:52] Mike Bennett: Ontology based standards hackathon - a great idea!

[8:55] Ken Baclawski: Each hackathon should have specific objectives/deliverables that can be

accomplished in the hackathon period. MikeBennett's suggestions are examples of such objectives.

[9:01] Bob Smith: Asking SemTech leaders to carve out a day or two do emulate what David Newman at

Wells Fargo and Dennis Wisnosky are doing to engage the finance/banking sector folks in details of

the FIBO project (Financial Industry Business Object)

[9:04] Mike Bennett: Yes - David Newman and Dennis Wisnosky have pulled this event together, in

co-ordination with Eric Franzon at SemTechBizSF. I agree that a more industry-wide, maybe

standards-focused session headed up by OOR the following year would a good follow-on from this.

[9:05] Bob Smith: @Peter - ref. http://semtechbizsf2013.semanticweb.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=70&proposalid=5276

[9:00] Peter P. Yim: == discussion and confirmation: support to TillMossakowski's OntoLATIN proposal -

with OOR as a "cooperation partner"

[9:08] Peter P. Yim: [consensus] unanimously agreed to provide Till and the OntoLATIN proposal with a

support letter ... (MikeDean & I will try to get that done today or tomorrow)

[9:15] Peter P. Yim: == OOR session/program/event planning

[9:16] Peter P. Yim: (only tangentially related to OOR, but very much an OntologyBasedStandards

activity) I am planning to call a meeting about reviving the QUOMOS work on Thu 2013.05.30

[9:21] Michael Grüninger: possible workshop on using FIBO as a set of test cases for exploring the

ontology relationships that we need to capture in OOR and the application of approaches such as DOL

as a way of specifying these relationships

[9:27] Michael Grüninger: Metadata for FIBO and Related Ontologies

[9:27] Peter P. Yim: Metadata series - "Ontology Metadata for FIBO and related Ontologies"

- Tue 2013.07.02 - co-chair: Michael Grüninger & Mike Bennett

[9:22] Bob Smith: BillMcCarthy's Ontolog Forum work...https://www.msu.edu/user/mccarth4/rea-ontology/

[9:31] Peter P. Yim: Till Mossakowski and Ken Baclawski will start to co-champion a "hackathon" series -

with monthly activities ... they'll pick the 3rd Tuesday of every month (the first Tuesdays of each

month have been nominally slated for OOR Team planning & admin meetings)

[9:32] Peter P. Yim: Hackathon series - "OOR-Ontohub API" - co-chair: Till Mossakowski & Ken Baclawski -

Tue 2013.06.18 ... Gateekeper will be on the agenda of this session too

[9:35] Peter P. Yim: Strategy series - "Revisiting OOR Strategy & Tactics" - chair: Peter P. Yim & MikeDean(?)

- Tue 2013.05.28 (originally 2013.06.25, but now moved earlier)

[9:36] Peter P. Yim: == Status Review - ref.

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_05_21#nid3SNM

[9:53] Peter P. Yim: (on the side ... more later, but this will be exciting!) I'm working on a GUI with

liquid.info ...

[9:54] Peter P. Yim: this GUI can be very effective with URIs that has the term at the end... like:

http://sigma-01.cim3.net:8080/sigma/Browse.jsp?kb=SUMO&lang=EnglishLanguage&flang=SUO-KIF&term=Process

[9:55] Michael Grüninger: COLORE is being reorganized to eliminate the distinction between core and

complex hierarchies. The new organization will mean that each directory corresponds to a unique

hierarchy, and all verification directories are included within the hierarchy. All ontologies will

have URIs of the form http://colore.oor.net/hierarchy--name/ontology-name/

[9:54] Till Mossakowski: sorry, I have to leave now

[9:54] Peter P. Yim: Thanks, Till ... Bye ... I'll contact you off-line ref. the "letter of support"

[10:05] Peter P. Yim: == fixing the regular time: [consensus] best comprise - same time as today's call

-1.5Hr starting 11:30am EDT ...

[10:07] Peter P. Yim: moving "Strategy & Tactics" meeting up from Tue 2013.06.25 to 2013.05.28 ... see

you all all next week, same time!

[10:13] Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 10:07am PDT --

-- end in-session chat-transcript --

6. (Other) Action items:

7. Any Other Business:

  • none!

8. Schedule Next Meeting & Adjourn:

  • Next Meetings:
    • same time next Tuesday (on Strategy & Tactics), i.e. Tue 2013_05_28 - 8:30am PDT / 11:30am EDT / 5:30pm CEST / 4:30pm BST / 15:30 UTC
    • ... after that, we might pause for 2 weeks (there are two FIBO meetings and a CLv2 meeting in between)
    • then the next meeting, possibly: Tue 2013.06.18, 2013.06.25, 2013.07.02, etc.
    • ... please mark your calendars and come!
  • Call adjourned at: 10:07 am PDT

--

notes taken by: Peter P. Yim / 2013.05.21-17:03 PDT

All participants, please review and edit to enhance accuracy and granularity of the documented proceedings.

Resources

  • the Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series:
    • 2011_10_20 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-1: Introducing the ISO NP 17347 "Ontology Integration and Interoperability (OntoIOp)" Standardization Effort - Co-chairs: John Bateman & Michael Grüninger - ConferenceCall_2011_10_20
    • 2011_11_03 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-2: Invited Speaker: Elisa Kendall on "Ontology-Related Metadata Standards" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2011_11_03
    • 2012_07_17 - Tuesday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-3: "Standardisation Coordination and Ontology Repositories" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2012_07_17
    • 2012_09_20 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-4: "Common Logic" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2012_09_20
  • the OOR-IPR mini-series:
    • 2010_09_09 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-1: an exposition on relevant IPR regimes - Keynote speaker: George Strawn - Chair: Peter P. Yim - Panelists: JamieClark, John Wilbanks, Bruce Perens - ConferenceCall_2010_09_09
    • 2010_09_16 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-2: what are the IPR issues relating to open ontology repositories (and ontologies in general)? - Chair: Mark Musen - Panelists: Cameron Ross, Alan Rector, John F. Sowa, Bruce Perens, John Wilbanks, Peter P. Yim - ConferenceCall_2010_09_16
    • 2010_09_30 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-3: discussion and consensus on licensing arrangements for the OOR Initiative, and positions we might take on related IPR issues - chair: Leo Obrst - Panelists: Peter P. Yim, Mike Dean, Bruce Perens, JamieClark - ConferenceCall_2010_09_30



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