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OpenOntologyRepository: OOR Team Conference Call - Tue 2012_07_10

This is a regular OOR Team meeting. ... please refer also to proceedings from the last team meeting at OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_06_12

Conference Call Details

  • Date: Tuesday, 10-Jul-2012
  • Start Time: 8:30am PDT / 11:30am EDT / 5:30pm CEST / 15:30 UTC
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Agenda Ideas

please insert any additional items below (along with your name for follow-up purposes)

  • Team priority (and "critical task" list) review - Yes!
  • upcoming activities / virtual-session planning
  • OOR: sandbox, devbox, test-instance, socop, colore, ornl-daac, mmi-orr, new ncbo-appliance, ... status update and coordination
  • Member activities updates
  • action planning for "content drive" (getting people to upload ontologies)
  • coordination for getting work funded
  • Getting us to a stage when we can run a OOR-production box
  • ...

Agenda & Proceedings

Archives:

1. Meeting called to order:

  • Peter P. Yim takes the chair and welcomes everyone
  • and volunteered to take notes
  • review and adopt agenda

2. Roll Call:

  • welcome and intro of new member(s) (if applicable)

3. Status Review and Discussion:

  • Team priority: Review and update our "Most Critical Task(s) At Hand" list ... Yes, time to take a

close look again!

4. Key items for discussion:

  • upcoming activities / virtual-session planning
  • OOR: sandbox, devbox, test-instance, socop, colore, ornl-daac, mmi-orr, new ncbo-appliance, ... status update and coordination
  • OOR: sandbox, devbox, test-instance, socop, colore, ornl-daac, mmi-orr, new ncbo-appliance, ... status update and coordination
  • Member activities updates - Review: members and OOR-related activities (2012.07.10)
    • OOR-sandbox status
    • code repository status
    • NCBO - BioPortal updates
    • NEU - Gatekeeper, ...
    • Raytheon-BBN - federation, ...
    • UToronto - COLORE
    • Bremen - Ontohub
    • Ryerson
    • Mathet
    • SOCoP_INTEROP - SOCoP-OOR
    • DataONE
    • NeOn (KMi and STL)
    • ONKI
    • KBSI
    • MMI
    • Use Cases
    • Architecture
    • API
    • Gatekeeping
    • production OOR instance
    • SIO
    • ICOM / DERI
    • content drive
    • Funding
  • Action planning for "content drive" (getting people to upload ontologies)
    • (discussion 2011.05.06):
      • an adopted Architecture & API is definitely crucial, but that's not all
    • All team members are encouraged to mull over how we can get to that state effectively
      • in particular ... how do we make this a "successful" community-driven, open source project!?
    • (discussion 2011.07.10) ...
  • Getting us to a stage when we can run a OOR-production box
    • we need a gatekeeping/policy module in place - [KenBaclawski]
  • ===IM Chat Transcript captured during the session===

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --

[08:26] Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the

OpenOntologyRepository: OOR Team Conference Call - Tue 2012_07_10

session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_07_10

Attendees: Peter P. Yim (chair), Bob Smith , Ken Baclawski, Michael Grüninger, Mike Bennett,

Mike Dean, Terry Longstreth, Tim Darr, Todd Schneider

Proceedings:

[08:40] Peter P. Yim: == reviewing Most Critical Task(s) At Hand and priorities - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OpenOntologyRepository#nid17YH

[08:42] Peter P. Yim: asking hard questions (and playing devil's advocate) ...

[08:42] Peter P. Yim: unfortunately, after 4.5 years, no one's work life depend on OOR yet! ...

[08:42] Peter P. Yim: ... are we on the verge of being irrelevant?

[08:42] Terry Longstreth: Is there a Use case to demonstrate the need for an OOR?

[08:44] Terry Longstreth: Why would you need to integrate OOR into an application?

Why would you need to integrate heterogeneously defined ontologies into an application?

why would you need to integrate an ontology into an application?

[08:46] Mike Bennett: There is still some way to go in educating people on the potential uses of

ontologies. One the one hand there are RDF based semantic web applications, which are gaining

traction; however the value of having common business semantics is itself a strong value proposition,

but one which is difficult to convey to conventional technology implementers.

[08:46] Todd Schneider: There may not be sufficient market need.

[08:49] Mike Bennett: That is, we need to demonstrate technology-based benefits to hard-nosed business people.

[09:17] Mike Bennett: Cognitive dissonance - worth describing in a white paper.

[08:51] Todd Schneider: How about giving out OOR install disks at ISWC?

[08:50] Michael Grüninger: In addition to the Industry community, we also need to engage the

academic and standards communities that would benefit from OOR -- ontology mapping, ontology patterns,

standards harmonization

[08:54] Michael Grüninger: For example, Ontology Alignment Evaluation Initiative http://oaei.ontologymatching.org/2012/

[08:56] Ken Baclawski: I suggest that we have one or most tasks to add more use cases for the OOR for

using ontologies. The use cases currently focus on development of ontologies, storing ontologies,

reviewing ontologies, but nothing on the use of ontologies by an application. The only use of an

ontology by an application at the moment is done "off-line" after downloading the ontology.

[08:57] Terry Longstreth: Does the potential market cavil at the use of the term 'Open'

[08:57] Todd Schneider: Terry, 'cavil'?

[09:00] Terry Longstreth: YCLIU: cavil/kavl/ Verb: Make petty or unnecessary objections.

Noun: An objection of this kind. Synonyms: carp

[08:58] Ken Baclawski: The OOR is open source, but one can use it for a "closed" repository inside

a company. This could be another use case.

[09:01] Ken Baclawski: What about approaching a standards body? Would OASIS be interested?

[09:15] Peter P. Yim: @Ken - with OASIS, we need to look more closely at the transition from XML to Ontology

[09:02] Todd Schneider: Is there a particular market space we're going after?

[09:03] Bob Smith : @Ken - interesting question about OASIS (or OMG) interests. How would you find out??

[09:06] Todd Schneider: Approach OMG?

[09:07] Bob Smith : UML advocates... as one of several bridges to Ontology (?)

[09:08] Todd Schneider: I was thinking RFP for a formal semantics. I forget the name of the request.

[09:09] Bob Smith : building SMART alliance (bSa) needs a Spreadsheet to Ontology BRIDGE

{{{ [09:10] Bob Smith : ;-} }}}

[09:11] Mike Bennett: The OMG has an active Ontology SIG already.

[09:17] Ken Baclawski: @MikeBennett: I was one of the founders of that OMG SIG, but I have not been

active in it for some time. However, I am suggesting something a little different. The OMG and OASIS

could use the OOR as the repository for their standards.

[09:11] Todd Schneider: Have to go. Cheers.

[09:12] Peter P. Yim: bye! thanks Todd ...

[09:12] Peter P. Yim: we need to stay relevant to the "big data" movement that is happening now,

especially because we have a lot to contribute

[09:13] Michael Grüninger: For one category of users, we need to first convince them that they need

ontologies and to show them how ontologies can be used. The other category of users are those who are

already using ontologies; for these users, we only need to show them the benefits of the repository

that contains the ontologies that they are using.

[09:17] Peter P. Yim: coming back to the list, what we have now - Most Critical Task(s) At Hand: (17YH)

1. Prepare and adopt an OOR system architecture (2I9U)

define and adopt a set of API's (2I9V)

define and adopt the set of ontology metadata (as an extension of OMV) that authors of the ontology are required to provide when they upload ontologies to the OOR (2I9W)

define and adopt a core development platform (2L0P)

2. set up policies and process for contributing to OOR work (1PZR)

setup clear and easy policies and process to engage developers and have them contribute code (28Q3)

getting ourselves into a position where team members can contribute code (2R91)

3. Initiate implementation of key development priorities (2R92)

build out "gatekeeping" and move from just having an OOR-sandbox to having available instances of an OOR-sandbox and an OOR-production (23YW)

add CL support to OOR (2GLZ)

federation (2R93)

4. systematically solicit content contributions (1VMD)

from the communities engaging in ontology research, development, engineering and applications (2KTL)

from the communities engaging in digital content and knowledge organization structures (2KTM)

5. get the work funded (1TID)

6. regularly review requirements and existing standards to make sure we are on track (1P5V)

7. continue with efforts in publicity and outreach (28Q5)

[09:20] Peter P. Yim: AA. identify compelling and relevant use cases of OOR, with the focus on

demonstrating the application and value of OOR

[09:22] Peter P. Yim: AA.1 consider possibilities in: standards, bigdata, ... bridging db-schema, xml, uml, ...

[09:21] Terry Longstreth: A tool to help standards orgs integrate heterogeneous ontologies

[09:22] Terry Longstreth: For example: see the ITU ASN.1 production hierarchies

[09:44] Terry Longstreth: Here's a better view of ASN.1 http://www.oid-info.com/faq.htm

[09:24] Terry Longstreth: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/fl.aspx?lang=1

[09:25] Peter P. Yim: 4. --> 4' systematically engage other communities to advance the state-of-the-art

as well as to solicit content contributions

[09:35] Bob Smith : The one thing we know about funding is "FUNDING CYCLES" - a calendar of dates

would be useful at a future OOR Funding Workshop

[09:38] Peter P. Yim: 5.1 start a regular Funding workshop series (just like Architecture+API, Metadata, etc.)

... Ken Baclawski will champion this

[09:46] Peter P. Yim: Michael: planning on using next Tuesday's (Jul-17) workshop slot to engage the

community to discuss various aspects of the IAOA "Ontology Registry and Repository" and "Standards

Coordination" SIGs (in preparation to the SIG meeting which be come up during FOIS (Jul-24 to 27)

[09:47] Peter P. Yim: Michael will send title and abstract of the session to Peter, and then start

discussing this on the mailing lists of OOR, IAOA and Ontolog

[09:48] Peter P. Yim: ... very productive session!

[09:48] Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 9:44am PDT --

-- end in-session chat-transcript --

5. Any Other Business:

  • would be nice if someone on this team would submit a paper to this workshop

6. Action items:

  • Michael Grüninger will organize a discussion of "Ontology Registry and Repository" and "Ontologies and Standards" during the Jul-17 session; as a preparation for the IAOA session at FOIS where those two SIGs will be discussed
  • Ken Baclawski will try to explore collaboration with OASIS during the upcoming Jul-25 OASIS AGM (at Burlington, MA)
  • we will start to have regular "OOR-Funding workshops" (similar to ones we are having for Architecture+API, Metadata, Code-development, etc.) Ken Baclawski will champion this.
  • Peter P. Yim will update the "Priorities & Most Critical Tasks At Hand" list, in accordance with today's discussion, at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OpenOntologyRepository#nid17YH ... (Done! --ppy/2012.07.10-10:04am PDT)

7. Schedule Next Meeting & Adjourn:

  • Next Meetings:
    • 2012_07_17 - Tuesday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards-III" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger and John Bateman
    • 2012_08_07 - Tuesday: OOR Project Team Member Conference Call
    • 2012_08_14 - Tuesday: OOR for Big Data: Workshop-I - Chair: Mike Dean
    • ... please mark your calendars and come!
  • Call adjourned at: 9:44 am PDT

--

notes taken by: Peter P. Yim / 2012.07.10-10:21am PDT

All participants, please review and edit to enhance accuracy and granularity of the documented proceedings.

Resources

  • the OOR-IPR mini-series:
    • 2010_09_09 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-1: an exposition on relevant IPR regimes - Keynote speaker: George Strawn - Chair: Peter P. Yim - Panelists: JamieClark, John Wilbanks, Bruce Perens - ConferenceCall_2010_09_09
    • 2010_09_16 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-2: what are the IPR issues relating to open ontology repositories (and ontologies in general)? - Chair: Mark Musen - Panelists: Cameron Ross, Alan Rector, John F. Sowa, Bruce Perens, John Wilbanks, Peter P. Yim - ConferenceCall_2010_09_16
    • 2010_09_30 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-3: discussion and consensus on licensing arrangements for the OOR Initiative, and positions we might take on related IPR issues - chair: Leo Obrst - Panelists: Peter P. Yim, Mike Dean, Bruce Perens, JamieClark - ConferenceCall_2010_09_30
  • the Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series:
    • 2011_10_20 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-1: Introducing the ISO NP 17347 "Ontology Integration and Interoperability (OntoIOp)" Standardization Effort - Co-chairs: John Bateman & Michael Grüninger - ConferenceCall_2011_10_20
    • 2011_11_03 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-2: Invited Speaker: Elisa Kendall on "Ontology-Related Metadata Standards" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2011_11_03



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