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= [[OpenOntologyRepository]]: OOR Team Conference Call - Tue 2012_01_10 =
= [[OpenOntologyRepository]]: Metadata Workshop-V - Tue 2012_01_17 =


This is a regular OOR Team meeting. ... ''please refer to proceedings from the last team meeting at [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_12_06]]''  
Topic: '''OOR Metadata Workshop-V: Crosswalk between [[OMV]] & [[CTS2]], and other relevant work by the [[NIH]]/[[NCI]]-[[ORWG]]'''
 
Session Chair: '''MichaelGruninger''' (University of Toronto)
 
Panelists from '''[[NIH]]/[[NCI]] [[ORWG]]''':
 
* '''HaroldSolbrig''' (Mayo Clinic)
* '''[[SherriDeCoronado]]''' (NCI/NIH)
* '''BrianDavis''' (3rd Millennium / Booz Allen Hamilton)
 
== [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/OOR-metadata-workshop/ Archives]  ==
 
* '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17#nid323O Abstract]'''
* '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17#nid3248 Agenda & Proceedings]'''
* '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/OOR-metadata-workshop/OMV-CTS2-Crosswalk--HaroldSolbrig_20120117.pdf Slides]'''
* '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/OOR-metadata-workshop/oor-metadata-05_20120117b.mp3 audio recording of the session]''' [ 1:28:18 ; mp3 ; 10.11 MB  ]
* '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17#nid324E Transcript of the online chat session]''' during the panel discussion


=== [[MeetingsCalls|Conference Call]] Details  ===
=== [[MeetingsCalls|Conference Call]] Details  ===


* Date: '''Tuesday, 10-Jan-2012'''  
* Date: '''Tuesday, 17-Jan-2012'''  
* Start Time: 8:30am PST / 11:30am EST / 5:30pm CET / 16:30 UTC  
* Start Time: 8:30am PST / 11:30am EST / 5:30pm CET / 16:30 UTC  
** ref: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=10&year=2012&hour=8&min=30&sec=0&p1=224 World Clock]  
** ref: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=17&year=2012&hour=8&min=30&sec=0&p1=224 World Clock]  
* Expected Call Duration: 1.0~1.5 hours  
* Expected Call Duration: 1.0~1.5 hours  


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== Attendees  ==
== Attendees  ==


* Attended:  
* Attended:  
** [[MikeDean|Mike Dean]] (chair)  
** [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Grüninger]] (chair)  
** [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]
** [[SherriDeCoronado]]
** [[BrianDavis|Brian Davis]]
** [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]
** [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]  
** [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]  
** [[TomTinsley|Tom Tinsley]]
** [[LiamDGray]]
** [[JamesOdell|James Odell]]
** Rick Kiefer (Mayo)
** [[GailHodge|Gail Hodge]]
** [[MikeDean|Mike Dean]]
** [[MyCoyne]]
** [[AmandaVizedom|Amanda Vizedom]]
** [[PavithraKenjige|Pavithra Kenjige]]
** [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]]
** [[DeborahMacPherson]]
** [[DeanAllemang|Dean Allemang]]
** Dale Suesse (Mayo)
** [[GilbertoFragoso|Gilberto Fragoso]] ([[NCI]])
** [[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]  
** [[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]  
** [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]  
** Troy Bleeker (Mayo)
** [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]  


* Expecting:  
* Also registered, but who may have joined us after the roll call:  
** [[SylvereKrima|Sylvere Krima]]
*   
*   
** ... ''if you are coming to the meeting, please add your name above (plus your affiliation, if you aren't already a member of the community) above, or e-mail <peter.yim@cim3.com> so that we can reserve enough resources to support everyone's participation.'' ...  
** ... ''if you are coming to the meeting, please add your name above (plus your affiliation, if you aren't already a member of the community) above, or e-mail <peter.yim@cim3.com> so that we can reserve enough resources to support everyone's participation.'' ...  


* Regrets:  
* Regrets:  
** [[LeoObrst|Leo Obrst]]  
** [[SanfordFriedenthal|Sanford Friedenthal]]  
 
== Abstract  ==
 
Topic: '''OOR Metadata Workshop-V: Crosswalk between [[OMV]] & [[CTS2]], and other relevant work by the [[NIH]]/[[NCI]]-[[ORWG]]'''
 
Folks from the NIH/NCI-ORWG team will be presenting results from their crosswalk between OMV and CTS2 exercise, as well as other pertinent work relating to metadata.
 
In particular, see ...
 
HaroldSolbrig's recent mapping of [[OMV]] to [[CTS2]]; where the results can be found at: http://informatics.mayo.edu/cts2/index.php/CTS2_and_OMV
Harold referred to an analysis Stuart Turner had done examining whether <nowiki>RxNorm</nowiki> (as specific instance of a terminology) actually has the metadata as outlined by OMV and that analysis is at: https://wiki.nci.nih.gov/display/VCDE/OMV+Metadata+for+RxNorm


== Agenda Ideas  ==
After the presentation from the [[ORWG]] team, we will have an open discussion to compare notes and insights on various aspects of metadata as related to their use in ontology repositories.


''please insert any additional items below (along with your name for follow-up purposes)''
[[SherriDeCoronado]] has mapped [[NCBO]] to [[OMV]] to OMV+ (the ontology representation working group's ([[ORWG]]'s) ad hoc, temporary name for the version/extension to OMV), which can be found at: https://wiki.nci.nih.gov/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=53020090


* OOR: sandbox, devbox, socop-instance status update
== References  ==
* planning and coordination on upcoming OOR events
 
* doing something at [[OntologySummit2012|Ontology Summit 2012]]  
* Proceedings of '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_03_18 OOR Metadata Workshop-I]''' and MichaelGruninger's opening [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/OOR-metadata-workshop/metafuture--MichaelGruninger_20110318.pdf slides] from that session
* Member activities updates
* Proceedings of '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_05_13 OOR Metadata Workshop-II]'''
* action planning for "content drive" (getting people to upload ontologies)  
* Proceedings of '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_05_27 OOR Metadata Workshop-III]'''
* Getting us to a stage when we can run a OOR-production box
* Proceedings of '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_10_18 OOR Metadata Workshop-IV]'''
* ...  
* Metadata for Ontologies - [[OntologySummit2008_Communique|from the [[OntologySummit2008_Communique]]]]
* Metadata requirement - [[OpenOntologyRepository_IPR|as stipulated in the OOR IPR Policy]]
* Ontology Metadata Vocabulary - [[OMV]]  
** Brief Description of OMV (with diagram) - http://omv2.sourceforge.net/description.html
** "OMV - Ontology Metadata Vocabulary for the SemanticWeb" - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/resource/OOR/OMV/OMV-Reportv2.4.1.pdf OMV v2.4.1 (final)] (Mar-2009)
* The Joint [[OpenOntologyRepository]]-OntologySummit2008 Panel Discussion Session - ConferenceCall_2008_04_10
** Presentation by [[PeterHaase|Peter Haase]] "[[ConferenceCall_2008_04_10|The OMV Ontology Metadata Vocabulary]]" at that session
* Common Terminology Services 2 ([[CTS2]])  
** "OMV/CTS2 Crosswalk" talk by [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]] - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17]]
** http://www.omg.org/spec/CTS2/
** http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=CTS2
* [[OpenOntologyRepository_Architecture]]
* [[OpenOntologyRepository_UseCases]] - http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/kenb/ontologies/


== Agenda & Proceedings  ==
== Agenda & Proceedings  ==


'''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/MeetingsCalls/ Archives]:'''  
1. Meeting called to order ... opening, participants' self-introductions. (~10 min.)
 
2. introduction of the panel - chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] (~5 min.)
 
3. Presentation of the subject NIH/NCI-ORWG work - [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]] (~30 min.) ... [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17#nid323L slides] ]
 
4. Additional remarks from the rest of the panel - [[SherriDeCoronado]] & [[BrianDavis|Brian Davis]] (10~15 min.)
 
5. Q & A and Open discussion (~30 min.) ... (ref. [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17#nid316T process above])
 
6. Wrap-up: Announcements and Follow-up actions (where applicable) - chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]
 
== Transcript of the online chat during the session  ==
 
see raw transcript [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/OOR-metadata-workshop/oor-metadata-05_chat-transcript_unedited_20120117a.txt here].
 
(for better clarity, the version below is a [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/OOR-metadata-workshop/oor-metadata-05_chat-transcript_edited_20120117b.txt re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript].)
 
Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.
 
-- begin in-session chat-transcript --
 
[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Welcome to the
 
''' [[OpenOntologyRepository]]: Metadata Workshop-V - Tue 2012_01_17 '''  
 
Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-V: Crosswalk between OMV & CTS2,
 
and other relevant work by the NIH/NCI-ORWG
 
Session Chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] (University of Toronto)
 
Panelists from NIH/NCI ORWG: * [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]] (Mayo Clinic) * [[SherriDeCoronado]] (NCI/NIH) * [[BrianDavis|Brian Davis]]
 
(3rd Millennium / Booz Allen Hamilton)
 
Session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17
 
Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute
 
Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad"
 
. == Proceedings: == .
 
anonymous morphed into [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]
 
anonymous morphed into [[LiamDGray]]
 
anonymous morphed into [[TomTinsley|Tom Tinsley]]
 
anonymous morphed into [[RickKiefer|Rick Kiefer]]
 
[[MyCoyne]]: How do I indicate other people in the same room with me?
 
AmandaVizedom1 morphed into [[AmandaVizedom|Amanda Vizedom]]
 
anonymous morphed into [[GilbertoFragoso|Gilberto Fragoso]]
 
anonymous morphed into Sherri de Coronado
 
anonymous2 morphed into Troy Bleeker (Mayo)
 
anonymous1 morphed into Dale Suesse
 
anonymous morphed into [[JamesOdell|James Odell]]
 
[[RickKiefer|Rick Kiefer]]: Harold is unable to connect to vpn. Please reference this copy of the slides -
 
http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/OOR-metadata-workshop/OMV-CTS2-Crosswalk--HaroldSolbrig_20120117.pdf
 
anonymous morphed into [[DeanAllemang|Dean Allemang]]
 
[[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: Note that we are now on slide 21 (not 26 as Harold just said)
 
[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @MyCoyne - please post (on this chat space) the names of people who are with you now, if
 
you please - I'll capture that into the attendees roster later.
 
[[JamesOdell|James Odell]]: OK
 
[[DeanAllemang|Dean Allemang]]: Darn! My call just dropped. I was interested in understanding how CTS2 versions works
 
with OWL2 versioning. The call dropped while he was explaining this.
 
[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @Dean - hope you can call back in
 
[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: on slide#54 now
 
[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: on slide#55 [9:31am PST]
 
[[DeanAllemang|Dean Allemang]]: I made it back in a minute later, but that was too late for this discussion
 
[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @Dean - we'll have some time for Q&A and open discussion
 
[[DeanAllemang|Dean Allemang]]: that's right
 
[[DeanAllemang|Dean Allemang]]: and those versions are all related together according to the OWL2 standard?
 
[[DeanAllemang|Dean Allemang]]: that's right
 
[[DeanAllemang|Dean Allemang]]: even in production, that can be a problem
 
[[DeanAllemang|Dean Allemang]]: thanks
 
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: A question: How did use of REST help?
 
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: @Todd - identifying the resources, assigning identity, determining which
 
characteristics are key vs. accidental was one aspect.
 
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: The second was the removal of dependencies - our earlier models had containment models
 
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: Harold, thank you.
 
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: COde systems "contained" definitions. REST made us refactor into "Class describedInVersion"
 
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: Especially important as in the Semantic Web world, Class to ontologyVersion is n..m
 
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: Harold, could you remind me of the definition of 'code system'?
 
[[MyCoyne]]: Where do I get Sherri's presentation, please?
 
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: Code set, classification system, thesaurus, ontology, glossary
 
[[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: With terminology you've also got the whole ISO 1087 / SBVR world of terms.
 
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: @Todd - some people use "Ontology" to represent all of those things, but then you
 
need a different term for small "ontology"


* [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/MeetingsCalls/OOR-team-conf-call_20120110b.mp3 audio recording of the session] [ 0:58:31 ; mp3 ; 6.7 MB ]  
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: Harold, got it. Short memory span.  
* [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/MeetingsCalls/chat-transcript_oor-team_unedited_20120110a.txt chat-transcript of this session]


1. Meeting called to order:  
[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @MyCoyne - Sherri doesn't have slides, she is introducing the ORWG and their work - see:  


* [[MikeDean|Mike Dean]] takes the chair and welcome everyone
https://wiki.nci.nih.gov/display/VCDE/Ontology+Representation+WG
* review and adopt agenda
* [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] volunteered to take notes


2. Roll Call:
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: Some people don't understand many things.  


* see [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_10#nid30Z7 above]
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: Harold, how would you see CTS2 fitting into the OOR architecture?  


* welcome and intro of new member(s) (if applicable)
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: The number of things that I don't understand is infinite.


3. Status Review and Discussion:  
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: Harold, you have a start - a rough metric


* '''Review and update our "Most Critical Task(s) At Hand" list''' ...(''we will skip this stock agenda item at today's call.)''
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: CTS2 could serve as one of the REST (and, perhaps SOAP) API's to allow federation and sharing.  
** ref. http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OpenOntologyRepository#nid17YH


=== 4. Key items for review and discussion today  ===
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: The advantage being that you don't necessarily HAVE to absorb everything.  


* '''OOR: sandbox, devbox, socop-instance status update'''
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: You can reference other catalogs elsewhere on the net.  
** ref. http://oor-03.cim3.net
** <oor-04.cim3.net> is up (still on CANTOR)
*** we are assigning oor-04 as the socop instance - Peter will make the DNS record (with a short TTL, say 1-hr) for it to be addressable as <socop.oor.net>
** Peter: WITTGENSTEIN is not up yet, but when it is, and tested ok, Peter will relocate that to the datacenter as a production machine (the socop instance will be relocated over there too.)
** customization:
*** Mike has customized the categories
*** a few items need to be updated too - (see [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/MeetingsCalls/chat-transcript_oor-team_unedited_20120110a.txt chat transcript])
**** Mike: suggest we have a page for external publications and presentations - we currently have them listed under [[OpenOntologyRepository|here]] and stored at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OOR/OOR_presentations_publications/


* '''planning and coordination on upcoming OOR events'''
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: Ken, do you see using something like CTS2 as part of the workflow engine?  
** Metadata workshop - 2012_01_17 - Tuesday: OOR Metadata Workshop-V - Chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] - NIH/NCI-ORWG Panel: [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]], [[SherriDeCoronado]], [[BrianDavis|Brian Davis]] - OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17 &nbsp;&nbsp;
** re-scheduling metadata session: with [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]] on financial metadata [MichaelGruninger]
** re-scheduling Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-3: on "ISO/IEC 24707 Common Logic and IKL" [MichaelGruninger & JohnBateman]
** OOR Architecture & API Workshop-X  now scheduled for 31-Jan-2012
** next Content workshop?
** ... lining up more?  


* '''doing something at OntologySummit2012'''
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: A goal of the OOR architecture is provide a specification (in the sense that Harold described).  
** Todd will champion OOR by injecting it into any track where it makes sense ... also by way of NCOIC involvement
** Mike will support (technically, especially by way of the socop-oor instance) Nancy and Gary in the collaborative SOCoP-INTEROP / Summit workshop that Nancy is spearheading
** Ken will work on one presentation (on behalf of OOR), which Todd and Peter will try to slot into one of the sessions - possibility: "OOR and webservices"
** ... think of something we can engage [[DuaneNickull|Duane Nickull]] on


* '''Member activities updates''' - ref. [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_10#nid312C below] ... ''(item skipped; discussion deferred)''
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: Harold, did I understand you correctly that the CTS2 specification is not publicly


* '''action planning for "content drive"''' ... ''(item skipped; discussion deferred)'' (getting people to upload ontologies)
available yet?


* '''Getting us to a stage when we can run a OOR-production box''' ... ''(item skipped; discussion deferred)''
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: @Todd - public. Available from the OMG site or the CTS2 URL I sent. Again, a bit


... ''Notes below are from previous meeting(s), and will be updated as this meeting progresses.''
opaque and being clarified...  


* planning and coordination on upcoming OOR events
[[DeborahMacPherson]]: Great Presentation! Got a lot from it - thanks - need to take off for another
* Getting us to a stage when we can run a OOR-production box ...(''we will skip this stock agenda item at today's call.)''


* action planning for facilitating code contribution (organizing ourselves so various sub-teams can actually get to work on coding) ...(''we will skip this stock agenda item at today's call.)''
conference call.  


* action planning for "soliciting" content (getting people to upload ontologies) ...(''we will skip this stock agenda item at today's call.)''
[[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]: @Todd - it is not part of the workflow engine. The workflow engine is configurable so


* Getting us to a stage when members can contribute code ... how, ETA?
it should be possible to specify CTS2 as one possible workflow.  
** ''(discussion 2011.05.06):''
*** an adopted Architecture & API is definitely crucial, but that's not all
** All team members are encouraged to mull over how we can get to that state effectively
*** in particular ... how do we make this a "successful" community-driven, open source project!?
** (discussion 2011.06.03)'' ...  


* code development on an Eclipse IDE for all?
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: We should consider the use of CTS2 in the OOR for terminology mediation.


* Code repository - considering "git" or github?
[[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]: Harold, thank you for an excellent presentation. Have to go.


* Getting us to a stage when we can run a OOR-production box ... what's still needed, ETA?
[[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]: Thanks. I'm going to have to go in about 2 minutes as well.  
** ...  


'''Member activities updates:'''
[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: great session, thanks everyone!


* Review: members and OOR-related activities (2011.11.01)
[[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Thanks all!
** OOR-sandbox status
** code repository status
** NCBO
** NEU
** Raytheon-BBN
** Bremen
** UToronto
** Ryerson
** Mathet
** [[SOCoP_INTEROP]]  
** [[DataONE]]
** [[NeOn]] (KMi and STL)
** ONKI
** KBSI
** MMI
** Use Cases
** Architecture
** API
** Gatekeeping
** production OOR instance
** SIO
** Funding
** ICOM / DERI


'''Action planning for "soliciting" content''' (getting people to upload ontologies)
[[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: -- session ended 10:06am PST --


5. '''Funding progress:'''
-- end of in-session chat-transcript --


6. '''Any Other Business:'''
6.1 Any Other Business:  


7. '''Action items:'''
6.2 Action items:  


8. Schedule Next Meeting & Adjourn:  
6.3 Schedule Next Meeting & Adjourn:  


* Next Meetings:  
* Next Meeting:  
** 2012_01_17 - Tuesday: OOR Metadata workshop-V - Chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]],  with the NIH-ORWG Panel  - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17]]
** this coming Thu 2012.01.19 - [[OntologySummit2012|Ontology Summit 2012]] session-02: "Ontology for Big Systems: What's In Scope" - see: ConferenceCall_2012_01_19
** no meeting on Tue 2012.01.24  
** no OOR meeting on Tue 2012.01.24  
** next Architecture API workshop (X) on 31-Jan-2012
** then the "OOR Architecture & API Workshop-X" on Tue 2012.01.31  
** 2012_02_07 - next Regular OOR Team meeting - first Tuesday of the month - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_02_07]]
** after that, we will be having our next regular OOR-team meeting on Tue 2012.02.07


* Call adjourned at: 9:47 am PST  
* Call adjourned at: 10:06 am PST  


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notes taken by: [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] / 2012.01.10-10:26am PST
notes taken by: [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] / 2012.01.17-10:27am PST


All participants, please review and edit to enhance accuracy and granularity of the documented proceedings.  
All participants, please review and edit to enhance accuracy and granularity of the documented proceedings.  
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** 2011_05_27 - Friday: OOR Metadata Workshop-III - Chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_05_27]]  
** 2011_05_27 - Friday: OOR Metadata Workshop-III - Chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_05_27]]  
** 2011_10_18 - Friday: OOR Metadata Workshop-IV - Chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_10_18]]  
** 2011_10_18 - Friday: OOR Metadata Workshop-IV - Chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_10_18]]  
** 2011_12_13 - Tuesday: OOR Metadata Workshop-V - Chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_12_13]]  
** 2012_01_17 - Tuesday: OOR Metadata Workshop-V - "OOR Metadata Workshop-V: Crosswalk between [[OMV]] & [[CTS2]], and other relevant work by the [[NIH]]/[[NCI]]-[[ORWG]]" Chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] - Panelists: [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]], [[SherriDeCoronado]], [[BrianDavis|Brian Davis]] - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17]]  


* the '''OOR-IPR mini-series''':  
* the '''OOR-IPR mini-series''':  
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** '''[[OOR_SandBox]]''' - http://oor-03.cim3.net - http://sandbox.oor.net/  
** '''[[OOR_SandBox]]''' - http://oor-03.cim3.net - http://sandbox.oor.net/  
** '''[[OOR_DevBox]]''' - http://oor-01.cim3.net - http://dev.oor.net/  
** '''[[OOR_DevBox]]''' - http://oor-01.cim3.net - http://dev.oor.net/  
** [[NCBO]] - [http://bioportal.bioontology.org/ BioPortal]  
** '''SOCoP[http://socop.oor.net/ _OOR]''' - http://oor-04.cim3.net - http://socop.oor.net/
** '''[[NCBO]] - [http://bioportal.bioontology.org/ BioPortal]'''
*** BioPortal's [bioontology-support] mailing list - see: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/bioontology-support  
*** BioPortal's [bioontology-support] mailing list - see: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/bioontology-support  
** NCBO-OOR development documentation - http://www.bioontology.org/wiki/index.php/NCBO-OOR_Development  
** NCBO-OOR development documentation - http://www.bioontology.org/wiki/index.php/NCBO-OOR_Development  

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OpenOntologyRepository: Metadata Workshop-V - Tue 2012_01_17

Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-V: Crosswalk between OMV & CTS2, and other relevant work by the NIH/NCI-ORWG

Session Chair: MichaelGruninger (University of Toronto)

Panelists from NIH/NCI ORWG:

  • HaroldSolbrig (Mayo Clinic)
  • SherriDeCoronado (NCI/NIH)
  • BrianDavis (3rd Millennium / Booz Allen Hamilton)

Archives

Conference Call Details

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Abstract

Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-V: Crosswalk between OMV & CTS2, and other relevant work by the NIH/NCI-ORWG

Folks from the NIH/NCI-ORWG team will be presenting results from their crosswalk between OMV and CTS2 exercise, as well as other pertinent work relating to metadata.

In particular, see ...

HaroldSolbrig's recent mapping of OMV to CTS2; where the results can be found at: http://informatics.mayo.edu/cts2/index.php/CTS2_and_OMV Harold referred to an analysis Stuart Turner had done examining whether RxNorm (as specific instance of a terminology) actually has the metadata as outlined by OMV and that analysis is at: https://wiki.nci.nih.gov/display/VCDE/OMV+Metadata+for+RxNorm

After the presentation from the ORWG team, we will have an open discussion to compare notes and insights on various aspects of metadata as related to their use in ontology repositories.

SherriDeCoronado has mapped NCBO to OMV to OMV+ (the ontology representation working group's (ORWG's) ad hoc, temporary name for the version/extension to OMV), which can be found at: https://wiki.nci.nih.gov/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=53020090

References

Agenda & Proceedings

1. Meeting called to order ... opening, participants' self-introductions. (~10 min.)

2. introduction of the panel - chair: Michael Grüninger (~5 min.)

3. Presentation of the subject NIH/NCI-ORWG work - Harold Solbrig (~30 min.) ... [ slides ]

4. Additional remarks from the rest of the panel - SherriDeCoronado & Brian Davis (10~15 min.)

5. Q & A and Open discussion (~30 min.) ... (ref. process above)

6. Wrap-up: Announcements and Follow-up actions (where applicable) - chair: Michael Grüninger

Transcript of the online chat during the session

see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --

Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the

OpenOntologyRepository: Metadata Workshop-V - Tue 2012_01_17

Topic: OOR Metadata Workshop-V: Crosswalk between OMV & CTS2,

and other relevant work by the NIH/NCI-ORWG

Session Chair: Michael Grüninger (University of Toronto)

Panelists from NIH/NCI ORWG: * Harold Solbrig (Mayo Clinic) * SherriDeCoronado (NCI/NIH) * Brian Davis

(3rd Millennium / Booz Allen Hamilton)

Session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2012_01_17

Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute

Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad"

. == Proceedings: == .

anonymous morphed into Harold Solbrig

anonymous morphed into LiamDGray

anonymous morphed into Tom Tinsley

anonymous morphed into Rick Kiefer

MyCoyne: How do I indicate other people in the same room with me?

AmandaVizedom1 morphed into Amanda Vizedom

anonymous morphed into Gilberto Fragoso

anonymous morphed into Sherri de Coronado

anonymous2 morphed into Troy Bleeker (Mayo)

anonymous1 morphed into Dale Suesse

anonymous morphed into James Odell

Rick Kiefer: Harold is unable to connect to vpn. Please reference this copy of the slides -

http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OpenOntologyRepository/OOR-metadata-workshop/OMV-CTS2-Crosswalk--HaroldSolbrig_20120117.pdf

anonymous morphed into Dean Allemang

Michael Grüninger: Note that we are now on slide 21 (not 26 as Harold just said)

Peter P. Yim: @MyCoyne - please post (on this chat space) the names of people who are with you now, if

you please - I'll capture that into the attendees roster later.

James Odell: OK

Dean Allemang: Darn! My call just dropped. I was interested in understanding how CTS2 versions works

with OWL2 versioning. The call dropped while he was explaining this.

Peter P. Yim: @Dean - hope you can call back in

Peter P. Yim: on slide#54 now

Peter P. Yim: on slide#55 [9:31am PST]

Dean Allemang: I made it back in a minute later, but that was too late for this discussion

Peter P. Yim: @Dean - we'll have some time for Q&A and open discussion

Dean Allemang: that's right

Dean Allemang: and those versions are all related together according to the OWL2 standard?

Dean Allemang: that's right

Dean Allemang: even in production, that can be a problem

Dean Allemang: thanks

Todd Schneider: A question: How did use of REST help?

Harold Solbrig: @Todd - identifying the resources, assigning identity, determining which

characteristics are key vs. accidental was one aspect.

Harold Solbrig: The second was the removal of dependencies - our earlier models had containment models

Todd Schneider: Harold, thank you.

Harold Solbrig: COde systems "contained" definitions. REST made us refactor into "Class describedInVersion"

Harold Solbrig: Especially important as in the Semantic Web world, Class to ontologyVersion is n..m

Todd Schneider: Harold, could you remind me of the definition of 'code system'?

MyCoyne: Where do I get Sherri's presentation, please?

Harold Solbrig: Code set, classification system, thesaurus, ontology, glossary

Mike Bennett: With terminology you've also got the whole ISO 1087 / SBVR world of terms.

Harold Solbrig: @Todd - some people use "Ontology" to represent all of those things, but then you

need a different term for small "ontology"

Todd Schneider: Harold, got it. Short memory span.

Peter P. Yim: @MyCoyne - Sherri doesn't have slides, she is introducing the ORWG and their work - see:

https://wiki.nci.nih.gov/display/VCDE/Ontology+Representation+WG

Todd Schneider: Some people don't understand many things.

Todd Schneider: Harold, how would you see CTS2 fitting into the OOR architecture?

Harold Solbrig: The number of things that I don't understand is infinite.

Todd Schneider: Harold, you have a start - a rough metric

Harold Solbrig: CTS2 could serve as one of the REST (and, perhaps SOAP) API's to allow federation and sharing.

Harold Solbrig: The advantage being that you don't necessarily HAVE to absorb everything.

Harold Solbrig: You can reference other catalogs elsewhere on the net.

Todd Schneider: Ken, do you see using something like CTS2 as part of the workflow engine?

Todd Schneider: A goal of the OOR architecture is provide a specification (in the sense that Harold described).

Todd Schneider: Harold, did I understand you correctly that the CTS2 specification is not publicly

available yet?

Harold Solbrig: @Todd - public. Available from the OMG site or the CTS2 URL I sent. Again, a bit

opaque and being clarified...

DeborahMacPherson: Great Presentation! Got a lot from it - thanks - need to take off for another

conference call.

Ken Baclawski: @Todd - it is not part of the workflow engine. The workflow engine is configurable so

it should be possible to specify CTS2 as one possible workflow.

Todd Schneider: We should consider the use of CTS2 in the OOR for terminology mediation.

Todd Schneider: Harold, thank you for an excellent presentation. Have to go.

Harold Solbrig: Thanks. I'm going to have to go in about 2 minutes as well.

Peter P. Yim: great session, thanks everyone!

Mike Bennett: Thanks all!

Peter P. Yim: -- session ended 10:06am PST --

-- end of in-session chat-transcript --

6.1 Any Other Business:

6.2 Action items:

6.3 Schedule Next Meeting & Adjourn:

  • Next Meeting:
    • this coming Thu 2012.01.19 - Ontology Summit 2012 session-02: "Ontology for Big Systems: What's In Scope" - see: ConferenceCall_2012_01_19
    • no OOR meeting on Tue 2012.01.24
    • then the "OOR Architecture & API Workshop-X" on Tue 2012.01.31
    • after that, we will be having our next regular OOR-team meeting on Tue 2012.02.07
  • Call adjourned at: 10:06 am PST

--

notes taken by: Peter P. Yim / 2012.01.17-10:27am PST

All participants, please review and edit to enhance accuracy and granularity of the documented proceedings.

Resources

  • the OOR-IPR mini-series:
    • 2010_09_09 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-1: an exposition on relevant IPR regimes - Keynote speaker: George Strawn - Chair: Peter P. Yim - Panelists: JamieClark, John Wilbanks, Bruce Perens - ConferenceCall_2010_09_09
    • 2010_09_16 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-2: what are the IPR issues relating to open ontology repositories (and ontologies in general)? - Chair: Mark Musen - Panelists: Cameron Ross, Alan Rector, John F. Sowa, Bruce Perens, John Wilbanks, Peter P. Yim - ConferenceCall_2010_09_16
    • 2010_09_30 - Thursday: Joint OOR-Ontolog-NCBO-CC-IAOA-OASIS Panel Discussion - "IPR issues in Ontology and the OOR" session-3: discussion and consensus on licensing arrangements for the OOR Initiative, and positions we might take on related IPR issues - chair: Leo Obrst - Panelists: Peter P. Yim, Mike Dean, Bruce Perens, JamieClark - ConferenceCall_2010_09_30
  • the Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series:
    • 2011_10_20 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-1: Introducing the ISO NP 17347 "Ontology Integration and Interoperability (OntoIOp)" Standardization Effort - Co-chairs: John Bateman & Michael Grüninger - ConferenceCall_2011_10_20
    • 2011_11_03 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-2: Invited Speaker: Elisa Kendall on "Ontology-Related Metadata Standards" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2011_11_03
    • 2011_12_15 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontologies and Standards" mini-series session-3: "ISO/IEC 24707 Common Logic and IKL" - Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & John Bateman - ConferenceCall_2011_12_15



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