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= [[OntologyBasedStandards]] Mini-series Planning Session - Thu 2013-07-18 =
= [[ONTOLOG]] Community Program Planning Session - Thu 2013-09-12 =


Session Co-chairs: '''MichaelGruninger''' (IAOA; U of Toronto) & '''ElisaKendall''' (OMG; Thematix)  
Session Co-chairs: '''PeterYim''' ([[ONTOLOG]]; CIM3) & '''MichaelGruninger''' ([[IAOA]]; U of Toronto)  


Topic: '''[[OntologyBasedStandards]] mini-series community brainstorm and program planning session'''  
Topic: '''Scheduling [[ONTOLOG]] Events for the Rest of 2013'''  


To be Covered today:  
==[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-planning/Event-Planning_Q4-2013/ Archives]==


* '''[[OntologyBasedStandards]] Mini-series Planning - Opening''' (co-chairs) ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologyBasedStandards/2013-07-18_Ontology-based-Standards-III/OntologyBasedStandards-planning--MichaelGruninger-ElisaKendall_21030718.pdf intro slides]
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|Abstract]]'''  
* '''I. Open Discussion on programs and topics of interest'''
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|Agenda]]'''  
** Ongoing topics/programs to coordinate and build synergies out of ...
* '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-planning/Event-Planning_Q4-2013/Ontolog-Event-Planning_Q4-2013--PeterYim-MichaelGruninger_20130912.pdf Opening slides]'''  
** Candidate Topics of interest/importance to the community ...
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|transcript of the online chat]]''' during the session  
** Coordinating current & new programs ...
* '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-planning/Event-Planning_Q4-2013/Ontolog-planning_20130912b.mp3 Audio recording of the session]''' ... [ 1:19:32 ; mp3 ; 9.1 MB ]  
* '''II. How can we best frame the discussion and organize the effort'''
** how can we best partition and organize the pursuit ... ?
** Who will champion these activities ... ?
* '''III. Events & Action Plans'''
** Candidate Speakers the community would want to invite ...
** Short / medium term event plans
 
==[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologyBasedStandards/2013-07-18_Ontology-based-Standards-III/ Archives]==
 
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2013_07_18|Abstract]]'''  
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2013_07_18|Agenda]]'''
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2013_07_18|Agenda Ideas]]'''  
* '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologyBasedStandards/2013-07-18_Ontology-based-Standards-III/OntologyBasedStandards-planning--MichaelGruninger-ElisaKendall_21030718.pdf Opening slides]'''  
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2013_07_18|transcript of the online chat]]''' during the session  
* '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologyBasedStandards/2013-07-18_Ontology-based-Standards-III/OntologyBasedStandards-s03_20130718b.mp3 Audio recording of the session]''' ... [ 1:29:48 ; mp3 ; 10.28 MB ]  
** its best that you listen to the session while having the respective presentations (linked above) opened in front of you. You'll be prompted to advance slides by the speaker.  
** its best that you listen to the session while having the respective presentations (linked above) opened in front of you. You'll be prompted to advance slides by the speaker.  
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2013_07_18|Additional Resources]]'''  
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|Additional Resources]]'''  


== [[MeetingsCalls|Conference Call]] Details  ==
=== [[MeetingsCalls|Conference Call]] Details  ===


* Date: '''Thursday, 18-Jul-2013'''  
* Date: '''Thursday, 12-Sep-2013'''  
* Start Time: 9:30am PDT / 12:30pm EDT / 6:30pm CEST / 5:30pm BST / 16:30 UTC  
* Start Time: 10:30am PDT / 1:30pm EDT / 7:30pm CEST / 6:30pm BST / 1730 UTC  
** ref: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=7&day=18&year=2013&hour=9&min=30&sec=0&p1=224 World Clock]  
** ref: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=9&day=12&year=2013&hour=10&min=30&sec=0&p1=224 World Clock]  
* Expected Call Duration: 1.5~2.0 hours  
* Expected Call Duration: 1.5~2.0 hours  


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** view-only password: "ontolog"  
** view-only password: "ontolog"  
** if you plan to be logging into this shared-screen option (which the speaker may be navigating), and you are not familiar with the process, please try to call in 5 minutes before the start of the session so that we can work out the connection logistics. Help on this will generally not be available once the presentation starts.  
** if you plan to be logging into this shared-screen option (which the speaker may be navigating), and you are not familiar with the process, please try to call in 5 minutes before the start of the session so that we can work out the connection logistics. Help on this will generally not be available once the presentation starts.  
** people behind corporate firewalls may have difficulty accessing this. If that is the case, please download the '''[[ConferenceCall_2013_07_18|slides above]]''' (where applicable) and running them locally. The speaker(s) will prompt you to advance the slides during the talk.  
** people behind corporate firewalls may have difficulty accessing this. If that is the case, please download the '''[[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|slides above]]''' (where applicable) and running them locally. The speaker(s) will prompt you to advance the slides during the talk.  


* '''In-session chat'''-room url: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontolog_20130718
* '''In-session chat'''-room url: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontolog_20130912
** instructions: once you got access to the page, click on the "settings" button, and identify yourself (by modifying the Name field from "anonymous" to your real name, like "JaneDoe").  
** instructions: once you got access to the page, click on the "settings" button, and identify yourself (by modifying the Name field from "anonymous" to your real name, like "JaneDoe").  
** You can indicate that you want to ask a question verbally by clicking on the "hand" button, and wait for the moderator to call on you; or, type and send your question into the chat window at the bottom of the screen.  
** You can indicate that you want to ask a question verbally by clicking on the "hand" button, and wait for the moderator to call on you; or, type and send your question into the chat window at the bottom of the screen.  
** thanks to the soaphub.org folks, one can now use a jabber/xmpp client (e.g. gtalk) to join this chatroom. Just add the room as a buddy - (in our case here) ontolog_20130718@soaphub.org ... Handy for mobile devices!  
** thanks to the soaphub.org folks, one can now use a jabber/xmpp client (e.g. gtalk) to join this chatroom. Just add the room as a buddy - (in our case here) ontolog_20130912@soaphub.org ... Handy for mobile devices!  


* '''Discussions and Q & A:'''  
* '''Discussions and Q & A:'''  
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* Please review our Virtual Session Tips and Ground Rules - see: [[VirtualSpeakerSessionTips]]  
* Please review our Virtual Session Tips and Ground Rules - see: [[VirtualSpeakerSessionTips]]  


* '''RSVP''' '' to [mailto:peter.yim@cim3.com peter.yim@cim3.com] appreciated,'' ... or simply just by adding yourself to the "Expected Attendee" list below (if you are a member of the team.)  
* '''RSVP''' '' to [mailto:peter.yim@cim3.com peter.yim@cim3.com] with your affiliation appreciated,'' ... or simply just by adding yourself to the "Expected Attendee" list below (if you are a member of the community already.)  


* This session, like all other Ontolog events, is open to the public. Information relating to this session is shared on this wiki page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_07_18
* This session, like all other Ontolog events, is open to the public. Information relating to this session is shared on this wiki page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_12


* Please note that this session may be recorded, and if so, the audio archive is expected to be made available as open content, along with the proceedings of the call to our community membership and the public at-large under [[WikiHomePage#Intellectual_Property_Rights_.28IPR.29_Policy|our prevailing open IPR policy]].  
* Please note that this session may be recorded, and if so, the audio archive is expected to be made available as open content, along with the proceedings of the call to our community membership and the public at-large under [[WikiHomePage#Intellectual_Property_Rights_.28IPR.29_Policy|our prevailing open IPR policy]].  
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== Attendees  ==
== Attendees  ==


* Attended (including all registrants):  
* Attended:  
** [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Grüninger]] (co-chair)  
** [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Grüninger]] (co-chair)  
** [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]] (co-chair)  
** [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (co-chair)  
** [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]  
** [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]
** [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]  
** [[HaroldBoley|Harold Boley]]
** [[GaryBergCross]]
** [[BillMcCarthy]]  
** [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]  
** [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]  
** [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]  
** [[EricChan|Eric Chan]]  
** [[HensonGraves|Henson Graves]] (traveling; may have logistics issues)
** [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]
** [[ElieAbiLahoud]] (may have logistics issues)
** [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]
** [[AliHashemi|Ali Hashemi]]
** [[AnatolyLevenchuk|Anatoly Levenchuk]]  
** [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]  
** [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]  
** [[RichardMartin|Richard Martin]]
** [[BethHuffer|Beth Huffer]]
** [[MarkJohnson|Mark Johnson]]
** [[BobYoung|Bob Young]]
** [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]
** [[JohnBottoms|John Bottoms]]
** [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]]
** [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]  
** [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]  
** [[TerryRoach|Terry Roach]]
** [[DanielKless|Daniel Kless]]
** [[ElieAbiLahoud]]
** [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]
** [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]
** [[RayMartin|Ray Martin]]
** [[TerryLongstreth|Terry Longstreth]]  
** [[TerryLongstreth|Terry Longstreth]]  
** [[PavithraKenjige|Pavithra Kenjige]]  
** [[ThomasGetgood|Thomas Getgood]]  
** [[BobbinTeegarden|Bobbin Teegarden]]  
** [[LamarHenderson|Lamar Henderson]]  
** [[BillMcCarthy]]
** ...
** JeffersonBraswell
** MartinEast
** [[MaxGillmore|Max Gillmore]]
** [[MichaelDenny|Michael Denny]]
** PeterBloniarz
** [[RoyBell|Roy Bell]]


* Expecting:  
* Expecting:  
** ...
** [[FrancescaQuattri|Francesca Quattri]] (1.30 am here, will try to join)
* 
** ''please add yourself to the list if you are a member of the [[WikiHomePage|Ontolog]] community, or, rsvp to <peter.yim@cim3.com> with your affiliation.''  
** ''(please add yourself to the list above if you are a member of the community, or, rsvp to <peter.yim@cim3.com> with the event title/date and your name and affiliation)''  


* Regrets:  
* Regrets:  
** [[DennisWisnosky|Dennis Wisnosky]]  
** [[LeoObrst|Leo Obrst]]  
** [[DaliaVaranka|Dalia Varanka]]  
** [[JohnSowa|John F. Sowa]]
** [[TerryLongstreth|Terry Longstreth]] (joining late)
** [[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]
** [[MatthewWest|Matthew West]]  
** [[RamSriram|Ram D. Sriram]]  
** [[RamSriram|Ram D. Sriram]]  
** [[ChristopherSpottiswoode|Christopher Spottiswoode]]
** [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]]  
** [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]]  
** [[MatthewWest|Matthew West]]
** [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]] (have conflict; will join late if I can)
** [[LeoObrst|Leo Obrst]]  
** ...  
** ...  


== Abstract  ==
== Abstract  ==


'''[[OntologyBasedStandards]] mini-series community brainstorm and program planning session''' ... [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologyBasedStandards/2013-07-18_Ontology-based-Standards-III/OntologyBasedStandards-planning--MichaelGruninger-ElisaKendall_21030718.pdf intro slides] ]
This session is a culmination of the community input received during the following recent community planning sessions:
 
* 2013_07_18 - [[OntologyBasedStandards]] mini-series - community brainstorm and program planning session - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_07_18
* 2013_07_25 - "Ontology, Rules, and Logic Programming for Reasoning and Applications ([[RulesReasoningLP]])" mini-series planning - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_07_25
* 2013_09_03 - OOR Project Team event planning session - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_03
* 2013_05_23 - Thursday: [[OntologySummit2013|Ontology Summit 2013]]: review and follow-up action planning ("postmortem") session - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_05_23


This session is a continuation from (a) the [[ConferenceCall_2013_06_13|ONTOLOG Community Event Planning session of 2013.06.13]], and (b) the kick-off sessions of the Joint [[OntologyBasedStandards]] mini-series we had late last year on [[ConferenceCall_2012_10_25|2012.10.25]] and [[ConferenceCall_2012_11_08|2012.11.08]].  
From the above input, a strawman program of [[ONTOLOG]] events for the rest of 2013 has been crafted; and it looks something like the following. This will provide a starting point for our deliberation during the session. We will also take the opportunity to get community input on potential panelists for each of these panel sessions.  


We intend to make this a brainstorming session to collect ideas on ongoing standards development programs we can coordinate and build synergies out of, find out what topics are of interest/importance to the community; based upon which, we can design our short-to-medium term Ontology-based Standards panel session program and/or other related activities.
'''''see developing Master Event Calendar at: MeetingsCalls'''''


The plan is to lay out the options, have members of the community chime in on how best to frame and partition the program, decide on what events/activities will be featured, and who will be championing them. If you have an interest in [[OntologyBasedStandards]] and want to influence how we will move forward and design the upcoming program, please make sure you come join us at this session.
* 2013_12_26 - Thursday: No community event ... Happy Holidays!    (3TZF)
* 2013_12_19 - Thursday: [[RulesReasoningLP]] - session 4 - R4. Guide to Reasoning Applications Development and Cases [HensonGraves, KenBaclawski?]  (3TZG)
* 2013_12_12 - Thursday: [[OntologyBasedStandards]] - session 7 - S7. How ontologies can help with the formal specification of the standards in natural language standards [SimonSpero, RichardMartin?, MarkJohnson?, KenBaclawski]  (3TZH)
* 2013_12_06 - Friday: First [[OntologySummit2014|Ontology Summit 2014]] Organizing Committee meeting
* 2013_12_05 - Thursday: [[OntologySummit2014|Ontology Summit 2014]] (Pre-Launch) Community Brainstorm Session    (3TZI)


Please also refer to the '''[[OntologyBasedStandards]]''' mini-series homepage.  
* 2013_11_28 - Thursday: No community event ... Thanksgiving Holiday in the US! (3TZB)
* 2013_11_21 - Thursday: [[RulesReasoningLP]] - session 3 - R3. Rule Standards: Common Logic, [[RuleML]], and RIF [HaroldBoley, [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]],  MikeDean?] (3TZC)
* 2013_11_14 - Thursday: No community event ... STIDS 2013 in session this week    (3TZD)
* ... [[OntologySummit2014|Ontology Summit 2014]] co-organizer meeting to be held around this time
* 2013_11_07 - Thursday: [[OntologyBasedStandards]] - session 6 - S4. Ontology-based Financial Standards [MikeBennett, [[BillMcCarthy]], [[ElieAbiLahoud]]]    (3TZE)


=== Agenda Ideas  ===
* 2013_10_31 - Thursday: [[RulesReasoningLP]] - session 2 - R2. Concepts and Foundations of Logic Programming and Semantic Web Programming [LeoObrst, PascalHitzler?]  (3TZ6)
* 2013_10_24 - Thursday: [[RulesReasoningLP]] - session 1 - R1. Ontology, Rules, and Logic Programming for Reasoning and Applications ([[RulesReasoningLP]]): Survey and Introduction [LeoObrst, BenjaminGrosof]  (3TZ7)
* 2013_10_17 - Thursday: [[OntologyBasedStandards]] - session 5 - S2. Ontology-based Standards in Geospatial Domains [[[GaryBergCross]], TaraAthan]  (3TZ8)
* 2013_10_10 - Thursday: [[OntologyBasedStandards]] - session 4 - S1. Ontology-based Standards in the area of Quantities and Units of Measure  (3TZ9)
* 2013_10_08 - Tuesday: OOR Development Session: "Meta-Ontology for Ontology Categories" - Co-chairs: [[TillMossakowski|Till Mossakowski]] & [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_10_08]]    (3X95)
* 2013_10_03 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-ONTOLOG Session: "Brainstorming for an Ontology textbook" - Chair: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] - ConferenceCall_2013_10_03    (3TZA)
* 2013_10_01 - Tuesday: OOR Project Team Member (regular planning & admin) Conference Call - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_10_01]]    (3X8X)


Some of the things that came to mind, include ...  
* 2013_09_26 - Thursday: No community event    (3T8Z)
* 2013_09_19 - Thursday: [[OntologySummit2014|Ontology Summit 2014]] Topic Brainstorm Session - Co-chairs: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] & [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] - ConferenceCall_2013_09_19    (3T90)
* 2013_09_17 - Tuesday: [[OOR]]: "Developing a Common UI Across Disparate OOR Instances" - Chairs: [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]] - with opening brief from [[DanielCoutoVale]] - [[OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_09_17]]    (3X8Y)
* 2013_09_12 - Thursday: ONTOLOG Community Planning Session: Event Scheduling for the Rest of 2013 - Co-chairs: [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] & [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] - ConferenceCall_2013_09_12    ''(this session)''


* Ongoing topics/programs to coordinate and build synergies out of ...
We will aim at defining the events, fitting the above into the rest our Ontolog 2013 event calendar, and postponing some sessions till after OntologySummit2014. Hopefully, by the end of this session, we would have confirmed the content and champions for each of the virtual panel sessions (between now and end-Dec 2013), in a way that will give the community a strong and coherent program of events. We will also take the opportunity to get community input on potential panelists for each of these panel sessions, as recommendations to the session chairs.  
** ICOM
** QUOMOS
** FIBO
** [[CLv2]]
** [http://www.omgwiki.org/API4KB/doku.php?id=start OMG API4KB]
** [[RuleML]]
** [http://www.omg.org/spec/ODM/ OMG ODM]
** [[OntoIOp]]
** NBIMS
** ...
* Candidate Topics of interest to the community ...
* Coordinating current & new programs ...
* How can we best frame the discussion ...
* Event Planning ...
* ... etc.  


... ''send us your ideas too (post above, and identify yourself for follow-up purposes, or email that to the co-chairs so we can include them into the agenda!''
== Agenda  ==


* [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]] (OASIS): we are interested in (i) examining the growing role of ontologies in standards and lessons learned from QUOMOS; (ii)
'''Community Event Planning: Scheduling [[ONTOLOG]] Events for the Rest of 2013'''
can  a practical "ontology road map" be defined for standards professionals, with clearly articulated benefits in terms of machine-readability but also perhaps in terms of increased interoperability?


* [[EricChan|Eric Chan]] (ICOM): [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]] and I are planning to define social network object model in ICOM V2. There are several consortiums defining social networks connect services and platforms (see the attached paper). The data model, including Wallpaper, Activity Streams, various Relations among people and things, and Privacy and Access Policy that are defined in terms of friend circles, are buried in these services. As far as I know, the social networks data has not been explicitly modeled in UML and OWL. ... ICOM V2 will involve distilling and unifying the concepts from Open Social and Open Graph platforms. I believe there will be more interests in ICOM V2 among the Ontolog community because of the novelty of the social networks domain. Perhaps we can brainstorm a bit about this and solicit participation by individuals from Ontolog community in the ICOM TC for V2 work.
:''Session Format:'' this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call


== Agenda  ==
* 1. Overview: introducing the strawman program (co-chairs) - [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] & [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] (20 min.) ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-planning/Event-Planning_Q4-2013/Ontolog-Event-Planning_Q4-2013--PeterYim-MichaelGruninger_20130912.pdf intro slides]


'''[[OntologyBasedStandards]] Community Brainstorm and Planning'''
* 2. Open discussion-I: Scheduling the [[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|[[OntologyBasedStandards]]] sessions] - ALL (30 min.) ... (refer to [[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|process above]])
** pick 4 sessions this year; the other 4 next year (after the OntologySummit); assign session dates
** confirming session co-chairs, content, topics and candidate panelists


* ''Session Format:'' this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call
* 3. Open discussion-II: Scheduling the [[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|[[RulesReasoningLP]]] sessions] - ALL (30 min.)
** confirming session co-chairs and session dates
** discuss topics, content and candidate panelists


* 1. Session opening (co-chairs) - [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] & [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]]  (15 min.) ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologyBasedStandards/2013-07-18_Ontology-based-Standards-III/OntologyBasedStandards-planning--MichaelGruninger-ElisaKendall_21030718.pdf intro slides]
* 4. Open discussion-III: review of overall Q4-2013 ONTOLOG Program: additional community input and ideas - ALL (20 min.)  


* 2. Open discussion-I: Brainstorm on programs and topics of interest - ALL (30 min.) ... (refer to [[ConferenceCall_2013_07_18|process above]])  
* 5. Recap Actions, Summary & Wrap-up - co-chairs: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] & [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (10 min.)  


* 3. Open discussion-II: Framing the issues and organizing to tackle them effectively - ALL (20 min.)
== Proceedings  ==


* 4. Open discussion-III: narrowing down to specific events plans - mini-series topics, champions, speakers, dates - ALL (20 min.)
Please refer to the [[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|above]]


* 5. Recap Actions, Summary & Wrap-up - co-chairs: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] & [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]] (15 min.)
From today's discussion, our program will be like ...  


== Proceedings  ==
* Sessions 4, 5 6 & 7 for the [[OntologyBasedStandards]] initiative will come out of [[ConferenceCall_2013_07_18|those discussed on Jul-18]], namely
** S1. Ontology-based Standards in the area of Quantities and Units of Measure
*** co-chairs: [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] & [[RamSriram|Ram D. Sriram]]
*** content to be covered: intro to real world Qty & [[UoM]]; intro to QUDT; real (domain) user needs, expectations and requirements
*** candidate panelists:
**** briefings from: someone from NIST Physics Lab, [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]] on QUDT,
**** user perspectives: Biomedical Healthcare / [[ChrisChute|Chris Chute]], [[StanHuff|Stan Huff]] or [[HaroldSolbrig|Harold Solbrig]]; FIBO / [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]; potential user from manufacturing domain / RamSriram? - pls suggest; ISO-15926 gang (PLCS,...) / [[MatthewWest|Matthew West]], [[HowardMason|Howard Mason]] or [[SeanBarker|Sean Barker]]; Italian Telecom / DOLCE's (Guarino's) clients/users; Building Information / [[DeborahMacPherson]] or [[BobSmith|Bob Smith]] or [[LamarHenderson|Lamar Henderson]]; Smart Grid / [[SteveRay|Steve Ray]] - pls suggest; ...
**** QUOMOS developer discussant: [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]], [[EdBarkmeyer|Ed Barkmeyer]],
*** session date: Thu 2013.10.10 - session-4
** S2. Ontology-based Standards in Geospatial Domains [TaraAthan, [[GaryBergCross]]]
*** co-chairs: [[GaryBergCross]] & [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]
*** content to be covered:
*** candidate panelists:
*** session date: Thu 2013.10.17 - session-5
** S3. Ontology-based Standards in Manufacturing [BobYoung, [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]], RichardMartin]
*** co-chairs:
*** content to be covered:
*** candidate panelists:
*** session date: MG: after [[OntologySummit|Ontology Summit]]
** S4. Ontology-based Financial Standards (e.g. ISO 15944, FIBO) [MikeBennett, [[BillMcCarthy]], [[ElieAbiLahoud]]]
*** co-chairs:
*** content to be covered:
*** candidate panelists:
*** session date: Thu 2013.11.07 - session-6
** S5. Standards and Ontology Metadata [ElisaKendall, TerryLongstreth]
*** co-chairs:
*** content to be covered:
*** candidate panelists:
*** session date: MG: after [[OntologySummit|Ontology Summit]] (by default)
** S6. Ontologies for Social Networks [KenBaclawski, EricChan]
*** co-chairs:
*** content to be covered:
*** candidate panelists:
*** session date: KB: after [[OntologySummit|Ontology Summit]]
** S7. How ontologies can help with the formal specification of the natural language standards [SimonSpero, [[RichardMartin|Richard Martin]], [[MarkJohnson|Mark Johnson]], [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]], AdamWyner?]
*** co-chairs:
*** content to be covered:
*** candidate panelists:
*** session date: Thu 2013.12.12 - session-7
** S8. Synthesis and harmonization of the ontologies and standards presented in the miniseries [???]
*** co-chairs:
*** content to be covered:
*** candidate panelists:
*** session date: MG: after [[OntologySummit|Ontology Summit]]


Please refer to the [[ConferenceCall_2013_07_18|above]]  
* Session 1, 2, 3 & 4 for the "Ontology, Rules, and Logic Programming for Reasoning and Applications ([[RulesReasoningLP]])" mini-series could be (ref. [[ConferenceCall_2013_07_25|2013.07.25 discussion]], tweaked):
** R1. [[RulesReasoningLP]]: Survey and Introduction [LeoObrst, BenjaminGrosof]
*** content to be covered:
*** candidate panelists:
*** session date: Thu 2013.10.24
** R2. Concepts and Foundations of Logic Programming and Semantic Web Programming [LeoObrst, PascalHitzler]
*** content to be covered:
*** candidate panelists: [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]], [[IanHorrocks|Ian Horrocks]], [[BijanParsia|Bijan Parsia]], Hassan Ait-Kaci, PaulTarau, ...
*** session date: Thu 2013.10.31
** R3. Rule Standards: Common Logic, [[RuleML]], and RIF [HaroldBoley, [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]], MikeDean]
*** content to be covered:
*** candidate panelists: [[JohnSowa|John F. Sowa]], [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]], [[MichaelKifer|Michael Kifer]], [[HaroldBoley|Harold Boley]], [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]], [[ChrisWelty|Chris Welty]], ... maybe: [[PatHayes|Pat Hayes]], [[FabianNeuhaus|Fabian Neuhaus]], [[ChrisMenzel|Chris Menzel]], [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]
*** session date: Thu 2013.11.21
** R4. Guide to Reasoning Applications Development and Cases [HensonGraves, KenBaclawski]
*** content to be covered:
*** candidate panelists: [[JansAasman|Jans Aasman]], [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]], [[ArunMajumdar|Arun Majumdar]], [[BillAndersen|Bill Andersen]], [[LeoObrst|Leo Obrst]], [[HolgerKnublauch|Holger Knublauch]], ...
*** session date: Thu 2013.12.19
** R5 onward - ideas and suggestions for the program after [[OntologySummit2014|Ontology Summit 2014]]  
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[09:18] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Welcome to the  
[10:15] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Welcome to the  


''' [[OntologyBasedStandards]] Mini-series Planning Session - Thu 2013-07-18 '''  
''' ONTOLOG Community Program Planning Session - Thu 2013-09-12 '''  


Session Co-chairs: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] (IAOA; U of Toronto) & [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]] (OMG; Thematix)
Session Co-chairs: Mr. [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] & Professor [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]  


Topic: [[OntologyBasedStandards]] mini-series community brainstorm and program planning session
Topic: Scheduling ONTOLOG Events for the Rest of 2013


To be Covered today:  
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[[OntologyBasedStandards]] Mini-series Planning - Opening (co-chairs)
 
I. Open Discussion on programs and topics of interest
 
* Ongoing topics/programs to coordinate and build synergies out of ...
 
* Candidate Topics of interest/importance to the community ...
 
* Coordinating current & new programs ...
 
II. How can we best frame the discussion and organize the effort
 
* how can we best partition and organize the pursuit ... ?
 
* Who will champion these activities ... ?
 
III. Events & Action Plans
 
* Candidate Speakers the community would want to invite ...
 
* Short / medium term event plans


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Chat-room attendees: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] (co-chair), [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]] (co-chair), [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]],
 
[[BillMcCarthy]], [[BobYoung|Bob Young]], [[BobbinTeegarden|Bobbin Teegarden]], [[DanielKless|Daniel Kless]], [[ElieAbiLahoud]], [[EricChan|Eric Chan]], [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]],
 
JeffersonBraswell, [[JohnBottoms|John Bottoms]], [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]], [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]], [[MaxGillmore|Max Gillmore]], [[MarkJohnson|Mark Johnson]], MartinEast,
 
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[[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]], [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]], [[TerryLongstreth|Terry Longstreth]]
 
''' Proceedings: '''
 
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[9:40] [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]: I don't see the OGC (http://www.opengeospatial.org/) represented in the list of players.
 
[9:41] [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: I'm equally surprised to see that the OASIS QUOMOS (Quantities and Units of
 
Measure Ontology Standard) TC is not represented in this list:
 
[9:41] [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Overview
 
The OASIS Quantities and Units of Measure Ontology Standard (QUOMOS) Technical Committee works to
 
develop an ontology to specify the basic concepts of quantities, systems of quantities, and systems
 
of measurement units and scales, various base dimensions and units of the SI system, metric prefixes
 
(nano-, micro-, milli-, kilo-, ...), rules for constructing various derived units, and designations
 
of the most common derived units (joules, watts, ...) for use across multiple industries.
 
[9:42] [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: I'm wondering why? I'm also wondering what lessons can be learned from QUOMOS
 
in this mini-series?
 
[9:42] [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Also [[RuleML]] has been mentioned, and this is finding direct application in
 
OASIS [[LegalXML]]. Are there lessons to be learned there?
 
[9:42] [[BillMcCarthy]]: another ontology standard is ISO 15944-4 -- economic and accounting ontology
 
[9:45] [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]]: The goal for the slides was simply to provide a starting point for discussion,
 
not to be exhaustive - apologies if we left anything off
 
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[9:47] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: Something that might be interesting to build on might be the FIBO Hackathon from
 
the Ontology summit - Link: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2013_Hackathon_Clinics_FIBO_OOPS_OQuaRE
 
[9:51] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: extending from the "anonymous" [x:42] message and ElisaKendall's response ... we do
 
want to hear, and collect information, on standards projects that are related to Ontology here ...
 
ALL: please type them in here (we'll collate later)
 
[9:52] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: FIBO
 
[9:52] [[TerryLongstreth|Terry Longstreth]]: http://www.metadata-standards.org/ ... a reference point for standards
 
development on a closely related area
 
[11:08] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] / [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: [action] start a wiki page to collect listings of relevant
 
"ontology-based standards"" and related work
 
[9:48] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: I would like to have an initial discussion on what kinds of standards are being
 
thought about - for example: machine/human/regulatory/subject areas/meta-standard?
 
[9:49] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: In other words what do we think about when we say ""standard""? On a polarity of
 
schema (types) to content (instances) what are people thinking?
 
[9:50] [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]: standards = official standards union defacto standards
 
[9:53] [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: ISO/IEC Guide 2:2004: A standard is a document, established by consensus and
 
approved by a recognized body, that provides, for common and repeated use, rules, guidelines or
 
characteristics for activities or their results, aimed at the achievement of the optimum degree of
 
order in a given context.
 
[9:53] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: linkedmodel.org has some vocabs for industry classifications - not a standards
 
effort just a gift from [[TopQuadrant]]
 
[9:54] [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: Side remark here - standards should be based on the consolidated results of
 
science, technology and experience, and aimed at the promotion of optimum community benefits
 
[9:54] JeffersonBraswell: Yes, considering that there are standards for such diverse areas as the
 
mechanics and syntax of codification (and the issue of different types of capabilities -- or lack of
 
capability compatibility among different forms of expressing ontological content -- at what level
 
should ""standards"" be aimed at ? Future capabilities that do not yet exist, or are 'cutting edge',
 
or trying to standardize at the more common level of expressive degrees of freedom ? (Apologies for
 
the Goedel-esque question)
 
[9:55] JeffersonBraswell: (for examples, differences between OWL and, say, SUMO )
 
[9:57] JeffersonBraswell: And how one distinguishes rules and behavior from more static capture of 'meaning'
 
[10:49] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: check out the [[OntologySummit2009]] ""Toward Ontology-based
 
Standards"" proceedings - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit#nid21PY
 
[9:47] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: Possible session on ontologies for units of measure
 
[9:56] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: Do we want to have sessions that focus on particular domains? e.g.
 
accounting, law, geospatial, ...
 
[9:57] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: the role of upper ontologies in standards harmonization
 
[9:57] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: a few of us are trying to re-initiate the QUOMOS effort ... besides getting other
 
government agencies to write to the NIST Director, in support of having NIST's support and
 
involvement, I will also be putting together a similarly directed letter on behalf of the ""ontology
 
community"" as well. Input and suggestions welcome!
 
[9:58] [[BobYoung|Bob Young]]: I'd be very interested in any sessions related to the manufacturing domain
 
especially reference ontologies for manufacture
 
[9:58] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: I did some work on ontologies for political systems (what is a democracy) -
 
posted this at oegov.us some years ago - even an ontology of the US Constitution :-) Now think that
 
an ontology of political systems would be an interesting project to revitalize.
 
[9:59] [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Thank you for taking onto consideration our observations. We look forward to
 
hearing the discussion on units of measure. We're also interested in hearing about how we can
 
educate standards practitioners on ontology and better demonstrate the benefits. Reaching out to
 
"vertical" communities is a great idea, but given the breadth, time and resources might be better
 
spent educating standards professionals. If they don't think ontologies will help them, that's an issue.
 
[10:00] [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: @LaurentLiscia, regarding your question about OASIS [[LegalRuleML]] - yes there
 
are interesting things to report here, e.g. about the ontological metamodel approach for the
 
specification of the [[LegalRuleML]] language and the use of external legal ontologies such FBRL, LKIF,
 
... in the [[LegalRuleML]] (typed) language
 
[10:00] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: the importance of communities of practice in defining meaning, along with well
 
referenced academic work - this is where the meaning is. Focus on semantics not syntax in relating
 
these to one another and having / identifying common reusable meaningful concepts which can be cross
 
referenced to one another per JohnSowa's ISS methodology as per previous summit outcomes, i.e. use
 
of underspecified upper ontology partitions to frame the meanings.
 
[10:01] [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Echoing Simon's view: ontologies should probably be built on expert knowledge
 
to clarify fundamental concepts. But adopting the ontology frame of mind has to happen in the
 
standards community.
 
[10:04] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: @LaurentLiscia : I agree - I include SMEs as part of the standards community
 
(especially if they're voting members :)
 
[10:01] [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Thanks.
 
[10:02] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: A good point from Simon - part of the requirement for having ontologies where
 
the semantics is anchored in communities of practice, is being able to present and curate ontologies
 
in a form which business practitioners can comprehend. Huge gap in tooling to date.
 
[10:01] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: Peter - QUDT is undergoing formal NASA review at NASA HQ - then subject matter
 
expert review within NASA. Because QUDT release 2 is significantly larger than release 1 - the
 
process requires the kind of governance that NASA standards efforts entails. I will keep this group
 
informed of process. QUDT adoption is growing and release 2 will be released at some level soon.
 
[10:03] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: NASA and NIST are in communication about QUDT
 
[10:04] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: [[OpenPHACTS]] also moving QUDT forward
 
[10:02] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: ref. QUOMOS and related efforts - see : http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM
 
[10:03] [[LaurentLiscia|Laurent Liscia]]: Thanks, Peter, have to drop off.
 
[10:06] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Do we need a roadmap: what are the concepts which concepts in other industries
 
are drawn from (contracts, law, accounting spring to mind); and what are the concepts which concepts
 
in other industries need to make reference to (units of measure, date/time). Form a consensus on
 
these, develop common abstractions which everyone can agree on and which enable the common
 
representation of otherwise disparate terms. Start there.
 
[10:07] JeffersonBraswell: One metaphor that comes to mind, Mike, is how the capabilities and
 
expressiveness of a programming language have a significant effect on the nature (and robustness) on
 
what can be created, expressed, and implemented with the language ( Turing's machine notwithstanding ).
 
For example, COBOL versus C versus Go versus Occam , etc . Does not the syntax of abstract
 
specification, definition and manipulation have a material effect on the size and scope of ""meaning "
 
that can be manifested ?
 
[10:08] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Good point Jeff. I think that's why we were able to relate terms from different
 
standards and initiatives, because we had very atomic, archetypical concepts. Many of these are so
 
abstract that they are well outside the comfort zone of many technical people, which is a challenge
 
as soon as one starts to work on the more syntactical considerations of technical ontology development.
 
[10:09] [[TerryLongstreth|Terry Longstreth]]: does the QUOMOS effort involve international collaboration, particularly
 
with respect to UNECE recommendation 20 and their Units of Measure: Code elements?
 
[10:11] [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]]: Yes.
 
[10:12] [[RayMartin|Ray Martin]]: QUDT is an excellent effort. I am looking for something similar in ontology for
 
Goals, Actions, Perception - distinctly and separately - and in unison and combination.
 
[10:12] [[RichardMartin|Richard Martin]]: Mike and Simon - doing this "semantics is anchored in communities of
 
practice" is the essence of a standard. In the doing we introduce variety of meaning to express
 
community evolution of practice. One problem I encounter is the disconnect between an existing
 
standard and that evolving practice. One part of the community depends upon the standard for
 
commercial reasons and another part of the community needs the standard to change in support of an
 
evolving practice. A critical need is to better understand the evolution of semantics in a diverging
 
community of practice.
 
[10:13] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: @RichardMartin very good point.
 
[10:12] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Very interesting point from [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]] - the subject matter in units of
 
measure is dimensional. Substantial body of business knowledge - IMHO this will require a different
 
mindset than what many of us on the tech side are comfortable with - need to partition review
 
efforts between the community of practice that has the knowledge, versus the technical side.
 
[10:13] JeffersonBraswell: Yes, Mike -- not only are the levels of abstraction challenging for
 
technical folks, but for subject matter experts as well -- requiring a bit of a Rashomon-capable
 
meta-expert to bridge the gap -- a rare breed. (One of the issues with the
 
tool/parallelization/bandwidth challenge )
 
[10:20] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: @Jeff this is very true - domain experts tend to describe their terms in their
 
context and one has to unravel that. Working with a mix of academics and industry folks on the mid
 
level abstractions seemed to yield some pretty good results I think.
 
[10:13] [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]: Observation and Measurement
 
[10:20] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: Highfleet ECLIF is an extension of Common Logic
 
[10:20] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: But sort of a simplification of IKL
 
[10:20] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: (IIR)
 
[10:23] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/
 
[10:20] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: [[BobYoung|Bob Young]]: The interaction between the ontologies within standardization
 
and the different ontology representation languages and software environments
 
[10:24] [[MikeDenny|Mike Denny]]: My interest is in the use of ontologies to bolster national & international
 
standard terminologies work, both as one form of expression (design-time and/or output form for
 
promulgation) and also as a harmonization (mapping) tool. It sounded as if [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] already
 
has this aspect well covered so that's good. This use could be particularly applicable in the
 
healthcare domain.
 
[10:28] [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]: I suggest that there be a meeting in this series to deal with social
 
networking ontologies and standards. The current situation involves large sites that have various
 
industrial standards for data models. Interoperability and harmonization would be beneficial, but
 
the main players have not expressed a lot of interest in interoperability.
 
[10:25] JeffersonBraswell: Interesting topic: social networking ontology: How would "social
 
networking" be differentiated from either "society" or "networks" ( or some combination thereof)?
 
[10:32] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: +1 to @KenBaclawski [10:28]
 
[10:25] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Social networking would be a good example of a business space where the
 
abstractions needed for a real ontology should be more general e.g. terms about people, places,
 
virtual places, digital works. All those would have broader communities of practice / research areas
 
which can pin down the meanings.
 
[10:26] JeffersonBraswell: Agree, Mike
 
[10:26] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: Social Networking: the main players in general don't seem to be to interested in
 
open standards; they tend to want to pull people in to their walled gardens
 
[10:27] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: Social Networking: where they play open, it's to allow them to pull data in
 
[10:29] JeffersonBraswell: The main players wish to keep their informational assets close to their
 
(large) vest
 
[10:42] [[EricChan|Eric Chan]]: For an overview of social network connect services, please see
 
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5551044&contentType=Journals+%26+Magazines&sortType%3Dasc_p_Sequence%26filter%3DAND(p_IS_Number%3A5551033)
 
[10:46] [[EricChan|Eric Chan]]: A good opportunity to apply ontology to distill and unify the model for Wallpaper,
 
Activity Stream, Time Line, etc., buried in the social web platforms
 
[10:26] [[RichardMartin|Richard Martin]]: Another problem I encounter has to do with the translation of standards from
 
English to other languages for use by practitioners in various nations. While standards are now
 
published almost exclusively in English, their use as intended by the authors is often difficult for
 
non-English speakers or even different English speaking regions because of the variety of meaning
 
individual words have in combination with other words in particular contexts. Translation engines
 
presume common usage but standards address uncommon usage.
 
[10:26] [[DanielKless|Daniel Kless]]: I would like to indicate my interest in initiating a general standard/guide for
 
developing and maintaining ontologies. Topics of interest in such guide/standard: defining the
 
meaning of terms and concepts in an ontology, choice of a top-level ontology, choice of a logical
 
language, common pitfalls of using a specific logical language, labeling entities in an ontology,
 
involvement of experts in the development, validation of ontologies, presentation of ontologies to
 
users, ontology maintenance and management, why each of the aforementioned steps in the development
 
of ontologies? Which sequence of steps?
 
[10:28] [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: @DanielKless: the questions you post are addressing ontology engineering
 
[10:29] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @DanielKless - [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: see - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit#nid3IJQ
 
[10:29] [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]: In the geospatial community, there are approaches to working with metadata about
 
observations with location (not the geographical coordinates, but the properties associated with
 
that location e.g air temperature) that superficially look like ontologies, but on deeper
 
examination have ontological inconsistencies.
 
[10:40] [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]: please specialize: Geospatial -> Geospatial Metadata
 
[10:32] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: If we go meta on this subject we might discuss on ontology of a standard - I
 
did one some years ago and represented a number of standards with it - RFC standards for example. Of
 
course this is an ontology "about" standards not "of" a standard. Interesting if the work of this
 
group is to offer the world away to evaluate standards.
 
[10:35] [[TerryLongstreth|Terry Longstreth]]: @RalphHodgson - ISO 24706 - metadata for standards - would be a source of
 
relevant concepts
 
[10:36] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: @TerryLongstreth - thx
 
[10:34] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: suggest those who are doing Ontology-based Standards to put their standard
 
ontologies into the Open Ontology Repository (OOR) - ref. http://oor.net
 
[10:35] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: ... following that, we can discuss what we can do with/about these standard now
 
that they are logically in one place
 
[10:35] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: [suggestion] Synthesis of those ontologies that are either more atomic or
 
universally reusable, as a session.
 
[10:36] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: The miniseries consists of sessions on domains such as
 
Quantities / Units of Measure, Geospatial, Accounting, Manufacturing. The final session will try to
 
synthesize, harmonize, and identify common ontologies
 
[10:37] [[BillMcCarthy]]: Does anybody have any experience or familiarity with ontologies whose


categorization schemes are being grounded specifically in the refereed research literature of a
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[10:40] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: @[[BillMcCarthy]]: That's referred to in Information Science / Knowledge Organization
(Chat-room) Attendees: [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] (co-chair), [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] (co-chair), [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]], [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]],


as "Literary Warrant" or "Scientific Warrant"
[[AliHashemi|Ali Hashemi]], [[AnatolyLevenchuk|Anatoly Levenchuk]], [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]], [[ElieAbiLahoud]], [[GaryBergCross]], [[HaroldBoley|Harold Boley]], [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]],


[10:40] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: @ [[BillMcCarthy]] : See: http://www.iva.dk/bh/lifeboat_ko/CONCEPTS/literary_warrant.htm
[[LamarHenderson|Lamar Henderson]], [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]], [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]], [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]], [[TerryLongstreth|Terry Longstreth]], [[ThomasGetgood|Thomas Getgood]]  


[10:29] [[BobbinTeegarden|Bobbin Teegarden]]: @MikeBennett re upper organization: were you suggesting an uber-onto of
''' Proceedings '''


ontos? and if so, might it work to follow Steiner's lead of ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, doing
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something like an uber-ontology that recapitulates 'ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny'? Too dense? A
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natural order to use?
[10:30] anonymous morphed into [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]


[10:40] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: @BobbinTeegarden ontogeny v phylogeny - I think this encapsulates how we've
[10:31] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: Over optimistic recruiters:


always considered that OWL should be used, i.e. set theoretic abstractions, which more or less
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drives you into wanting to find reusable general concepts. An uber ontology would firstly identify
[10:31] anonymous morphed into [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]


these concepts and secondly use high level partitions to reference one to another in a common
[10:34] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: I can only stay for the first half hour I'm afraid.


framework (JohnSowa's ISS slides - underspecified upper ontology partitions). Is that what you meant?
[10:35] anonymous morphed into [[GaryBergCross]]


[10:43] [[BobbinTeegarden|Bobbin Teegarden]]: @MikeBennett Yes. Is there a natural, or fractal, order at the upper levels
[10:35] anonymous morphed into [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]  


for a framework, like JohnSowa's lattice of theories?
[10:40] anonymous morphed into [[AnatolyLevenchuk|Anatoly Levenchuk]]


[10:40] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: @MarkJohnson [ref. Mark's verbal remarks about going from prose to a formal
[10:35] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: == [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] & [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] starts session by providing an overview - see intro


(ontology) language] this is what we did for the NASA QUDT Handbook - prose is in the ontologies -  
slides at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_12#nid3XCQ


PDF document is generated from the ontologies ( Semantic Web Pages, SWP, was used to generate [[LaTeX]])
[10:38] [[GaryBergCross]]: DC is in the midst of a storm so I may lose power and thus internet...


also ref. Discussion below starting with [10:50] [[MarkJohnson|Mark Johnson]]: ...  
[10:41] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_12#nid3X9K


[10:43] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: ref. SWP (SPARQL Web Pages framework ) - http://uispin.org/ui.html
[10:47] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: Correction: There's a typo in the calendar: it should be Thur. 12/19 not


[10:45] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: To learn more on how the NASA QUDT Handbook was generated - slide 31 (I think)
Thur. 12/17. [Thanks, Benjamin ... now corrected. --ppy]  


of the NASA QUDT presentation at http://www.scribd.com/RalphHodgsontq
[10:39] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: wrt schedule for the [[RulesReasoningLP]] etc. miniseries: 10/17 I have a


[10:41] [[RichardMartin|Richard Martin]]: In ISO TC184/SC5/WG1 we have been working on a concept for model-based
probable conflict.


standards authoring that applies Object-process methodology to the creation of a standard with dual
[10:41] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: Suggestion: therefore, how about we swap the topics of the 10/24 and 10/17


mode representation - text and corresponding graphical model - with a formal language basis.  
sessions? I.e., do [[RulesReasoningLP]] Session 1 on 10/24?


[10:43] [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]]: At OMG, we generate the body of our specifications from the models that
[10:54] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: [consensus] we will swap the 10/17 and 10/24 dates - so: we will now have:


specify them, including for ontologies - we're doing this for FIBO in fact.
//


[10:48] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @MarkJohnson - you might be interested in the "Extracting Ontologies from
2013_10_24 - Thursday: [[RulesReasoningLP]] - session 1


Standards: Experiences and Issues" work [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]], [[EricChan|Eric Chan]] et al. presented in an earlier
2013_10_17 - Thursday: [[OntologyBasedStandards]] - session 4


session - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_10_25#nid3GES
//  


[10:44] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: Peter Yim: [suggested topic] How ontologies can help with the formal
[10:49] anonymous morphed into [[LamarHenderson|Lamar Henderson]]  


specification of the natural language standards
[11:00] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: Potential date for S2. Ontology-based Standards in Geospatial Domains


[10:42] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Moving away from physics based standards: see John Searle on how humanly
[TaraAthan, [[GaryBergCross]]] - October 17


constructed "things" are still based in physics via language acts - covers legal constructs,
[10:58] [[ElieAbiLahoud]]: @ Peter, 2013_10_17 - Thursday: [[OntologyBasedStandards]] - session 4 or session 1 ?


financial constructs etc., which are themselves the building blocks of human commerce and business.  
[10:59] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @Elie - it's "session 4" - as 3 prior sessions on this mini-series has already


[10:45] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: That's the question. The work with FIBO and REA (several of the folks on that
been rolled out - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologyBasedStandards#nid3GIP


team are on this call), identified things like "aspect" that could be framed in the upper ontology
[11:03] anonymous morphed into [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]


partitions (aspect is a relative thing), and be used to relate terms defined in the round in one
[11:04] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: @MikeBennett: we can't hear you


standard, to terms defined from a party context in another standard.  
[11:05] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: I've had to drop off for another call.  


[10:50] [[MarkJohnson|Mark Johnson]]: The SRI effort started as an attempt to address interoperability of [[DoD]]
[11:05] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: @MikeBennett: ok, we'll come back to you in 5 minutes?


Training and Testing Systems (for example, how radio-based training instrumentation can exchange
[11:05] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Will remain lurking here on the chat, but not on the audio - apologies.


messages). This is a very hard problem, far from solved, and it drove us to an ontological approach
[11:08] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: We are pretty flexible I think. Will have to co-ordinate with [[BillMcCarthy]]


to developing standards, requirements and specifications. We have become very interested in best
also. I have a holiday penciled in for week of 24th but otherwise I'm OK.


practices for linking informative prose standards suitable for most stakeholders and normative
[11:07] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: ref TaraAthan's question - the standard start-time for the Thursday sessions are


OWL/ontological content.  
12:30pm EDT and it will last 1.5~2.0 hours (generally 2-Hours when we have a panel session with


[10:56] [[BobYoung|Bob Young]]: @MarkJohnson, we have done some work using ontologies to specify manufacturing
multiple panelists)


system requirements with some success. A PhD thesis should be available in a couple of months
[11:08] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] / [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]: S6. Ontologies for Social Networks [KenBaclawski, EricChan]


[10:57] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: the "natural language prose to ontology language" bridge, besides useful in
- propose to move to next year (after Ontology Summit)


helping us with standards, could be useful to regulations and statutes (as indicated by the FIBO
[11:09] [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]: I'd be very interested in this topic. Please put me on the list for this: S7. How


folks recently)
ontologies can help with the formal specification of the natural language standards


[10:58] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: @PeterYim agreed. The Controlled NL bridge works both ways, e.g. in presenting
[11:09] [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]: There is a lot going on in NL and ontologies.  


ontology content to subject matters, you need the full range of forms they can understand: diagrams,
[11:10] [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]: Also Lemon.


spreadsheets and natural language statements.  
[11:10] [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]: There could be some clarification of what this subject means.  


[10:59] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: Possible session topics (proposed so far):
[11:07] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: @MikeBennett: do you have a preferred date for your session? - S4.


1. Ontology-based Standards in the area of Quantities and Units of Measure
Ontology-based Financial Standards (e.g. ISO 15944, FIBO) [MikeBennett, [[BillMcCarthy]], [[ElieAbiLahoud]]]


2. Ontology-based Standards in Geospatial Domains
[11:10] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: @MikeBennett: make a random choice between November 7 and December 12 :-)


3. Ontology-based Standards in Manufacturing
[11:11] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: @Elie do you have a preference between those dates, as you're also on the hook


4. Ontology-based Financial Standards (e.g. ISO 15944, FIBO)
for this one?


5. Standards and Ontology Metadata
[11:13] [[ElieAbiLahoud]]: I suggest Nov-28 or Dec-5, what do you think ?


6. Ontologies for Social Networks
[11:15] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: @[[ElieAbiLahoud]]: those dates are already allocated. For your session, we


7. How ontologies can help with the formal specification of the natural language standards
need to decide between November 7 and December 12


8. Synthesis and harmonization of the ontologies and standards presented in the miniseries
[11:16] [[ElieAbiLahoud]]: @Michael, misunderstood the meaning of "between" - Semantics!


[10:59] [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]]: SBVR is an OMG standard, and is used primarily in the EU at the moment for  
[11:15] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Dec 12 is less ideal for me.


representing business policies. While the intent is for logical precision, it has no underlying
[11:16] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: Ok, let's go with November 7 for S4 (Ontology-based Financial Standards)


model theory. Having said this, quite a bit of work in SBVR is focused on terminology, and has been
[11:16] [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]: Mention of the ACE OWL-NL input and output tool as being useful. I'd be


done through joint research in ISO TC 37, who are well recognized terminologists. The mapping that
interested if there has been progress with this tool. Last time I used it, the output from an


Mark Linehan and I created from SBVR to OWL allows one to reason over the terminologies developed in  
ontology to NL was rather suspect. But, the intention is in the right direction.


SBVR, although it's somewhat lossy.  
[11:16] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: [[BillMcCarthy]] votes for Dec 12 (via email). So let's go with that and I'll make it work.  


[10:58] [[TerryLongstreth|Terry Longstreth]]: @SimonSpero - [referring to Simon's verbal remarks] can you feed us a URL
[11:16] [[ElieAbiLahoud]]: @MikeBennett, I have no preference then, I'll adapt


for the Tobias Kuhn summary?
[11:19] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: @MikeBennett, [[BillMcCarthy]] & [[ElieAbiLahoud]] - we already have something scheduled


[10:59] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: @TerryLongstreth: http://attempto.ifi.uzh.ch/site/pubs/papers/kuhn2013cl.pdf
for Dec-12 - the S7 (S7. How ontologies can help with the formal specification of the natural


[11:00] [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: @SimonSpero: you might take a look at the outcome of the European network of
language standards) team just reserved that date - does Nov-7 work for you guys?


excellence REWERSE ACE http://rewerse.net/ and the [[RuleML]] Human Rules task force. There was a
[11:20] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Nov 7 works for me, checking again with Bill now (he had voted for 12th).  


session about this at [[RuleML]] 2013: http://wiki.ruleml.org/index.php/Human-Rules
[11:27] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: [[BillMcCarthy]] can do Nov 7 as well - so I can confirm we are all 3 on track for


[11:00] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: To appear in "Computational Linguistics"
the Nov 7 session.


[11:00] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: Geospatial: what about geopolitical as well? and the common concepts of place
[11:17] [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]: Mention of some of the literature on ACE for NL to FOL representations, e.g.


(real and virtual); addressing and the like?
health rules and policy.


[11:00] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: REWERSE was one of the things I was thinking of :)
[11:17] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: Adam: ERGO (med) : http://gem.med.yale.edu/ergo/


[11:01] [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: The human rules track papers of [[RuleML]] 2013 where published in CEUR
[11:17] [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]: @Adam - where do standards come in, in the case of ACE, for example?


proceedings: http://2013.ruleml.org/content/program-and-accepted-papers
[11:21] [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]: @Simon. Thanks. I know that paper. I did something similar for regulations.  


[11:02] [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: maybe there are some interesting for you. SBVR was also addressed in several
Reading the details, there are significant issues to resolve in using ACE (and I'm very pro ACE).  


presentations
[11:21] [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]: @Tara - I'm not clear what the phrase "How ontologies can help with the formal


[11:03] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: @AdrianPaschke: I really wanted to submit to that, alas
specification of the natural language standards" means, so would appreciate the authors of the


[11:03] [[FrankOlken|Frank Olken]]: @AdrianPaschke, were any of the [[RuleML]] sessions taped.  
phrase to clarify.  


[11:03] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: I'd be willing to try and pull people together for a CNL (controlled natural
[11:26] [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]: @Adam - Standards are nearly always specified using a document written in a  


language) session
natural language. The term "natural language standard" in this context means "standard whose


[11:03] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: I'd be happy to co-champion 4 but would love to share this with [[BillMcCarthy]] if
definitive document is written in natural language".


you're up for it Bill. And anyone else in the accounting / XBRL space as well.  
[11:34] [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]: @Ken - OK. That interpretation. That is different from 'standards of natural


[11:03] [[BillMcCarthy]]: I would be happy to work with Mike Bennett on topic 4 (financial standards)
language', which seems to me another reading, but not the desired one.


[11:02] [[BobbinTeegarden|Bobbin Teegarden]]: What happened to standards in ontology visualization? Any interest?
[11:20] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: wrt NL session: I too am very interested, and this is related to  


[11:03] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]: Potential Champions:
[[RulesReasoningLP]] area.


(1) [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]
[11:21] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: wrt financial-area session: I too am very interested, and this is related to


(2) [[GaryBergCross]]?
FIBO's rules area which I co-lead.


(3) [[BobYoung|Bob Young]], [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]]
[11:22] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: The session dates we're talking about work for me for NL (12/12 - good) and


(4) [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]], [[BillMcCarthy]]
financial-area (11/17 - OK).


(5) [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]]
[11:23] anonymous morphed into [[ThomasGetgood|Thomas Getgood]]  


(6) [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]
[11:24] [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]: The NL date of 12/12 does not work for me. Conference 12/11-13.


(7) [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]
[11:26] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: == [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] moderating Open discussion-II: Scheduling the [[RulesReasoningLP]] sessions


(8) ???  
[11:26] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_12#nid3XF2


[11:03] [[MarkJohnson|Mark Johnson]]: need to drop off ... another meeting...  
[11:35] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]] / [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: a lot of the background/tutorial material can be


[11:04] [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]: Add me to #2 please
recorded offline and made available (hosted in the Ontolog archives) as "mandatory" reading for the


[11:05] [[TerryLongstreth|Terry Longstreth]]: I'd like to support Elisa on #5
session participants


[11:05] [[RichardMartin|Richard Martin]]: I can help with 3 and 7.  
[11:39] [[TaraAthan|Tara Athan]]: @Benjamin - that sounds fine to me.  


[11:07] [[ElieAbiLahoud]]: I could help on 4 if needed
[11:39] [[HaroldBoley|Harold Boley]]: With input from [[MikeDean|Mike Dean]] and all, [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]] and I could help organizing R3.


[11:07] [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]: @ [[ElieAbiLahoud]] yes please!
Common Logic, [[RuleML]] and RIF.


[11:--] [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] / [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: re-iterating ...
[11:39] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: Suggestion: [[RulesReasoningLP]] session 1 title/description: I would add ",


1. Ontology-based Standards in the area of Quantities and Units of Measure [PeterYim, FrankOlken?]
including Concepts and Foundations of Rulelog, Logic Programming and Semantic Web Rules". ...


2. Ontology-based Standards in Geospatial Domains [TaraAthan, Gary Berg-Cross?]
[response - [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: the original title actually expands to "Ontology, Rules, and Logic Programming


3. Ontology-based Standards in Manufacturing [BobYoung, [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]], RichardMartin]
for Reasoning and Applications ([[RulesReasoningLP]]): Survey and Introduction" and the session is


4. Ontology-based Financial Standards (e.g. ISO 15944, FIBO) [MikeBennett, [[BillMcCarthy]], [[ElieAbiLahoud]]]
intended to lay out the scope for the entire mini-series, survey the technology landscape, and cite


5. Standards and Ontology Metadata [ElisaKendall, TerryLongstreth]
use cases and applications to motivate the sessions that will follow (as


6. Ontologies for Social Networks [KenBaclawski, EricChan]
[[ConferenceCall_2013_07_25|you suggested]]) - maybe


7. How ontologies can help with the formal specification of the natural language standards [SimonSpero, [[RichardMartin|Richard Martin]], [[MarkJohnson|Mark Johnson]], KenBaclawski]
you and Leo can deliberate on the final title when you two planning out the session in detail. ...


8. Synthesis and harmonization of the ontologies and standards presented in the miniseries [???]
Note also, that we have had presentations on Common Logic and Rulelog in the Ontolog archives


[11:07] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: I still believe that ontologies include rules!
already.]  


[11:08] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: so Adrian++
[11:40] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: I would be glad to help with organizing [[RulesReasoningLP]] sessions R2-R4 as


[11:05] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: @ElisaKendall - maybe you could look at VAEM and VOAG for metadata? VAEM -
well as with session R1.


Vocabulary About Essential Metadata, VOAG - Vocabulary Of Attribuiton and Governance (includes
[11:40] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]] would be good as a co-lead for R3. Mike Dean is out on medical


licensing)
work leave currently.


[11:07] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: VAEM - http://linkedmodel.org/doc/vaem/1.2/
[11:41] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: A good R5 (or R6) session would be on Natural Language (NL).  


[11:07] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: VOAG - http://linkedmodel.org/doc/voag/1.0/
[11:43] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: wrt R3: Tara would indeed be a good panelist.  


[11:09] [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]]: @RalphHodgson - thank you for the links - we definitely have not done anything
[11:44] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: wrt R1: I think it makes most sense for me to speak at R1, hence maybe not  


around licensing, and most of the metadata we've incorporated to date has been specific to the OMG
be a chair of the session esp. while presenting.


process, as I mentioned.  
[11:45] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: wrt R1 scope: cover use cases and tools as well as concepts and foundations.  


[11:09] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: @ElisaKendall - see
[11:46] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: wrt R2: [[PascalHitzler|Pascal Hitzler]] would be good to ask as a panelist. I'm not sure he's


http://spinservices.org:8080/spin/doc.swp?baseURI=http://voag.linkedmodel.org/1.0/schema/voag for
up for being a co-chair but we can see.  


licenses covered - scroll down page
[11:49] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Leo should contact Pascal to confirm his availability


[11:10] [[RalphHodgson|Ralph Hodgson]]: @ElisaKendall - you need to go to License Model under Governed Object
[11:50] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: wrt R1: Henson Graves also feels that we should present use cases - incl. as


[11:11] [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]]: @RalphHodgson - thanks again!
challenges as yet not satisfactorily solved as well as past ones already "done".


[11:13] [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: bye
[11:51] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: [[HensonGraves|Henson Graves]] and [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]] need to touch base offline some time soon too (since


[11:13] [[SimonSpero|Simon Spero]]: bye!
we weren't able to get a mutual consent from both of them here.)


[11:15] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: Attn: All co-champions - we will try to plan out the individual sessions within
[11:52] [[GaryBergCross]]: Have to drop off call now but will check email for any updates.


the next couple of weeks, so that they will be rolled-out between Sep through mid-Dec, 2013 [...
[11:42] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: [[HensonGraves|Henson Graves]] - request that we have a dedicated mailing list for [[RulesReasoningLP]]


given to understand that there will be no events in Aug-2013, and then Jan~Apr-2014 event slots will
[11:53] [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]]: wrt R1-R4: little plan for action items is the ff. Peter, please create


almost be fully taken up by the Ontology Summit]
mailing list of people, send that out to Benjamin G, Henson G, Harold B, then we'll take it from


[11:05] [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: @SimonSpero: [[RuleML]] 2014 will again have a human rules track. It will be in
there to coordinate with Leo and the other proposed session chairs/panelists.  


Prague, Czech republic collocated with ECAI 2014, http://2014.ruleml.org
[11:54] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: [action] Peter will create the new mailing list and auto-subscribe those who were


[11:10] [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: standards addressing the combination of rules and ontologies, e.g. W3C
at the 7/25 brainstorm ... and invite those who we will potentially engage as panelists


RIF/OWL which share OWL RL or SBVR which combines business rules and business vocabularies.  
[11:58] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: join us again, next Thursday Sep-19, for the [[OntologySummit2014|Ontology Summit 2014]] Topic Brainstorm


[11:10] [[AdrianPaschke|Adrian Paschke]]: [[RuleML]] with SWRL, etc.  
session - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_19 - note that the session


[11:00] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: join us again, same time next Thursday Jul-25, for the "[[RulesReasoningLP]]:
will start early (see details on session page)


Ontology-Rules-Reasoning-LogicProgramming-Applications" mini-series planning session -
[11:59] [[AdamWyner|Adam Wyner]]: Thanks bye.


Chair: [[LeoObrst|Leo Obrst]] - Panelists: [[BenjaminGrosof|Benjamin Grosof]], [[HaroldBoley|Harold Boley]], [[HensonGraves|Henson Graves]], [[JohnSowa|John F. Sowa]]  
[11:59] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: great session - we accomplished practically everything we meant to get done at


- http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_07_25
this session!


[11:16] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: -- session ended: 11:13am PDT --  
[11:59] [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]]: -- session ended: 11:58am PDT --  


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** we also have a [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-based-standards ontology-based-standards] ] listserv, which we will use as a workspace to further discuss issues and planning/organization of the [[OntologyBasedStandards]] mini-series
*** kindly email <peter.yim@cim3.com> if you have any question.  
*** everyone who responded to this session invitation will be subscribed to that listserv
*** others who want to subscribe to that list can do so at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontology-based-standards
** kindly email <peter.yim@cim3.com> if you have any question.  


== Additional Resources  ==
== Additional Resources  ==


* The '''[[OntologyBasedStandards]]''' Initiative homepage - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologyBasedStandards
** 2013_07_18 - [[OntologyBasedStandards]] mini-series - community brainstorm and program planning session - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_07_18
* The "'''Ontology, Rules, and Logic Programming for Reasoning and Applications ([[RulesReasoningLP]])'''" mini-series homepage - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RulesReasoningLP
** 2013_07_25 - "Ontology, Rules, and Logic Programming for Reasoning and Applications ([[RulesReasoningLP]])" mini-series planning - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_07_25
* The '''[[OpenOntologyRepository]] ([http://oor.net OOR])''' Initiative homepage - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OpenOntologyRepository
** 2013_09_03 - [[OOR]] Project Team event planning session - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_03
* The '''OntologySummit''' program series homepage - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit
** 2013_05_23 - Thursday: [[OntologySummit2013|Ontology Summit 2013]]: review and follow-up action planning ("postmortem") session - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_05_23
* 2013_06_13 - Thursday: ONTOLOG Community Event Planning session - Co-chairs: [[LeoObrst|Leo Obrst]] & [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] - ConferenceCall_2013_06_13  
* 2013_06_13 - Thursday: ONTOLOG Community Event Planning session - Co-chairs: [[LeoObrst|Leo Obrst]] & [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] - ConferenceCall_2013_06_13  
* The '''[[OntologyBasedStandards]]'' mini-series homepage - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologyBasedStandards
* 2012_10_25 - Thursday: Joint OASIS-OMG-ISO-IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontology-based Standards" mini-series session-1: Sharing Experiences-I - Co-chairs: [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]] & [[PeterYim|Peter P. Yim]] - Speakers: [[JamesStPierre]], [[ChetEnsign|Chet Ensign]], [[AndrewWatson|Andrew Watson]], [[DeniseWarzel|Denise Warzel]], [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]], [[LeoObrst|Leo Obrst]], [[User:KennethBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]], [[EricChan|Eric Chan]] - ConferenceCall_2012_10_25
* 2012_11_08 - Thursday: Joint OASIS-OMG-ISO-IAOA-OOR-Ontolog "Ontology-based Standards" mini-series session-2: Sharing Experiences-II - Co-chairs: [[MichaelGruninger|Michael Gr&uuml;ninger]] & [[EricChan|Eric Chan]] - Panelists: [[ElisaKendall|Elisa Kendall]], [[MarkLinehan|Mark Linehan]], [[DavideSottara|Davide Sottara]] - ConferenceCall_2012_11_08
* '''OntologySummit2009 - "Towards Ontology-based Standards"'''
** '''[[OntologySummit2009_Communique]]'''
** The Communique adopted on 7-Apr-2009 identified [[OntologySummit2009_Communique|nine (9) sample projects]] that promise to demonstrate the advantages gained by incorporating ontology approaches when developing and applying a standard.
*** Follow-up efforts to those sample projects can be linked to from this [[OntologySummit2009_OntologyBasedStandards_SampleProjects]] page.
* [[OntologySummit2009]] Follow-up & Action Planning - ConferenceCall_2009_05_14
* Progress Review on the [[OntologyBasedStandards]] sample projects - ConferenceCall_2009_10_08


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Latest revision as of 06:44, 9 January 2016

ONTOLOG Community Program Planning Session - Thu 2013-09-12

Session Co-chairs: PeterYim (ONTOLOG; CIM3) & MichaelGruninger (IAOA; U of Toronto)

Topic: Scheduling ONTOLOG Events for the Rest of 2013

Archives

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    • Francesca Quattri (1.30 am here, will try to join)
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Abstract

This session is a culmination of the community input received during the following recent community planning sessions:

From the above input, a strawman program of ONTOLOG events for the rest of 2013 has been crafted; and it looks something like the following. This will provide a starting point for our deliberation during the session. We will also take the opportunity to get community input on potential panelists for each of these panel sessions.

see developing Master Event Calendar at: MeetingsCalls

  • 2013_12_26 - Thursday: No community event ... Happy Holidays! (3TZF)
  • 2013_12_19 - Thursday: RulesReasoningLP - session 4 - R4. Guide to Reasoning Applications Development and Cases [HensonGraves, KenBaclawski?] (3TZG)
  • 2013_12_12 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 7 - S7. How ontologies can help with the formal specification of the standards in natural language standards [SimonSpero, RichardMartin?, MarkJohnson?, KenBaclawski] (3TZH)
  • 2013_12_06 - Friday: First Ontology Summit 2014 Organizing Committee meeting
  • 2013_12_05 - Thursday: Ontology Summit 2014 (Pre-Launch) Community Brainstorm Session (3TZI)
  • 2013_11_28 - Thursday: No community event ... Thanksgiving Holiday in the US! (3TZB)
  • 2013_11_21 - Thursday: RulesReasoningLP - session 3 - R3. Rule Standards: Common Logic, RuleML, and RIF [HaroldBoley, Adrian Paschke, MikeDean?] (3TZC)
  • 2013_11_14 - Thursday: No community event ... STIDS 2013 in session this week (3TZD)
  • ... Ontology Summit 2014 co-organizer meeting to be held around this time
  • 2013_11_07 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 6 - S4. Ontology-based Financial Standards [MikeBennett, BillMcCarthy, ElieAbiLahoud] (3TZE)
  • 2013_10_31 - Thursday: RulesReasoningLP - session 2 - R2. Concepts and Foundations of Logic Programming and Semantic Web Programming [LeoObrst, PascalHitzler?] (3TZ6)
  • 2013_10_24 - Thursday: RulesReasoningLP - session 1 - R1. Ontology, Rules, and Logic Programming for Reasoning and Applications (RulesReasoningLP): Survey and Introduction [LeoObrst, BenjaminGrosof] (3TZ7)
  • 2013_10_17 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 5 - S2. Ontology-based Standards in Geospatial Domains [[[GaryBergCross]], TaraAthan] (3TZ8)
  • 2013_10_10 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 4 - S1. Ontology-based Standards in the area of Quantities and Units of Measure (3TZ9)
  • 2013_10_08 - Tuesday: OOR Development Session: "Meta-Ontology for Ontology Categories" - Co-chairs: Till Mossakowski & Michael Grüninger - OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_10_08 (3X95)
  • 2013_10_03 - Thursday: Joint IAOA-ONTOLOG Session: "Brainstorming for an Ontology textbook" - Chair: Michael Grüninger - ConferenceCall_2013_10_03 (3TZA)
  • 2013_10_01 - Tuesday: OOR Project Team Member (regular planning & admin) Conference Call - OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_10_01 (3X8X)

We will aim at defining the events, fitting the above into the rest our Ontolog 2013 event calendar, and postponing some sessions till after OntologySummit2014. Hopefully, by the end of this session, we would have confirmed the content and champions for each of the virtual panel sessions (between now and end-Dec 2013), in a way that will give the community a strong and coherent program of events. We will also take the opportunity to get community input on potential panelists for each of these panel sessions, as recommendations to the session chairs.

Agenda

Community Event Planning: Scheduling ONTOLOG Events for the Rest of 2013

Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call
  • 2. Open discussion-I: Scheduling the [[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|OntologyBasedStandards] sessions] - ALL (30 min.) ... (refer to process above)
    • pick 4 sessions this year; the other 4 next year (after the OntologySummit); assign session dates
    • confirming session co-chairs, content, topics and candidate panelists
  • 3. Open discussion-II: Scheduling the [[ConferenceCall_2013_09_12|RulesReasoningLP] sessions] - ALL (30 min.)
    • confirming session co-chairs and session dates
    • discuss topics, content and candidate panelists
  • 4. Open discussion-III: review of overall Q4-2013 ONTOLOG Program: additional community input and ideas - ALL (20 min.)

Proceedings

Please refer to the above

From today's discussion, our program will be like ...

  • Sessions 4, 5 6 & 7 for the OntologyBasedStandards initiative will come out of those discussed on Jul-18, namely
    • S1. Ontology-based Standards in the area of Quantities and Units of Measure
    • S2. Ontology-based Standards in Geospatial Domains [TaraAthan, GaryBergCross]
      • co-chairs: GaryBergCross & Tara Athan
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: Thu 2013.10.17 - session-5
    • S3. Ontology-based Standards in Manufacturing [BobYoung, Michael Grüninger, RichardMartin]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: MG: after Ontology Summit
    • S4. Ontology-based Financial Standards (e.g. ISO 15944, FIBO) [MikeBennett, BillMcCarthy, ElieAbiLahoud]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: Thu 2013.11.07 - session-6
    • S5. Standards and Ontology Metadata [ElisaKendall, TerryLongstreth]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: MG: after Ontology Summit (by default)
    • S6. Ontologies for Social Networks [KenBaclawski, EricChan]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: KB: after Ontology Summit
    • S7. How ontologies can help with the formal specification of the natural language standards [SimonSpero, Richard Martin, Mark Johnson, Ken Baclawski, AdamWyner?]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: Thu 2013.12.12 - session-7
    • S8. Synthesis and harmonization of the ontologies and standards presented in the miniseries [???]
      • co-chairs:
      • content to be covered:
      • candidate panelists:
      • session date: MG: after Ontology Summit

IM Chat Transcript captured during the session

see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --

Chat transcript from room: ontolog_20130912

2013-09-12 GMT-08:00 [PDT]

[10:15] Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the

ONTOLOG Community Program Planning Session - Thu 2013-09-12

Session Co-chairs: Mr. Peter P. Yim & Professor Michael Grüninger

Topic: Scheduling ONTOLOG Events for the Rest of 2013

Logistics:

  • (if you haven't already done so) please click on "settings" (top center)

and morph from "anonymous" to your Real Name (in WikiWord format)

  • Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute
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or the earlier Skype versions 2.x,) if the dialpad button is not shown in the call window

you need to press the "d" hotkey to enable it.

(Chat-room) Attendees: Peter P. Yim (co-chair), Michael Grüninger (co-chair), Adam Wyner, Adrian Paschke,

Ali Hashemi, Anatoly Levenchuk, Benjamin Grosof, ElieAbiLahoud, GaryBergCross, Harold Boley, Ken Baclawski,

Lamar Henderson, Mike Bennett, Simon Spero, Tara Athan, Terry Longstreth, Thomas Getgood

Proceedings

[10:29] anonymous morphed into Simon Spero

[10:30] anonymous morphed into ElieAbiLahoud

[10:30] anonymous morphed into Adrian Paschke

[10:31] Simon Spero: Over optimistic recruiters:

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?psa=1&Job_DID=JHT5R56SVJBMBB2CQ8T&sc_extcmp=JS_JobAlert_Title&ipath=PSSKG02U

[10:31] anonymous morphed into Adam Wyner

[10:34] Mike Bennett: I can only stay for the first half hour I'm afraid.

[10:35] anonymous morphed into GaryBergCross

[10:35] anonymous morphed into Benjamin Grosof

[10:40] anonymous morphed into Anatoly Levenchuk

[10:35] Peter P. Yim: == Peter P. Yim & Michael Grüninger starts session by providing an overview - see intro

slides at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_12#nid3XCQ

[10:38] GaryBergCross: DC is in the midst of a storm so I may lose power and thus internet...

[10:41] Peter P. Yim: see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_12#nid3X9K

[10:47] Benjamin Grosof: Correction: There's a typo in the calendar: it should be Thur. 12/19 not

Thur. 12/17. [Thanks, Benjamin ... now corrected. --ppy]

[10:39] Benjamin Grosof: wrt schedule for the RulesReasoningLP etc. miniseries: 10/17 I have a

probable conflict.

[10:41] Benjamin Grosof: Suggestion: therefore, how about we swap the topics of the 10/24 and 10/17

sessions? I.e., do RulesReasoningLP Session 1 on 10/24?

[10:54] Peter P. Yim: [consensus] we will swap the 10/17 and 10/24 dates - so: we will now have:

//

2013_10_24 - Thursday: RulesReasoningLP - session 1

2013_10_17 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 4

//

[10:49] anonymous morphed into Lamar Henderson

[11:00] Michael Grüninger: Potential date for S2. Ontology-based Standards in Geospatial Domains

[TaraAthan, GaryBergCross] - October 17

[10:58] ElieAbiLahoud: @ Peter, 2013_10_17 - Thursday: OntologyBasedStandards - session 4 or session 1 ?

[10:59] Peter P. Yim: @Elie - it's "session 4" - as 3 prior sessions on this mini-series has already

been rolled out - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologyBasedStandards#nid3GIP

[11:03] anonymous morphed into Tara Athan

[11:04] Michael Grüninger: @MikeBennett: we can't hear you

[11:05] Mike Bennett: I've had to drop off for another call.

[11:05] Michael Grüninger: @MikeBennett: ok, we'll come back to you in 5 minutes?

[11:05] Mike Bennett: Will remain lurking here on the chat, but not on the audio - apologies.

[11:08] Mike Bennett: We are pretty flexible I think. Will have to co-ordinate with BillMcCarthy

also. I have a holiday penciled in for week of 24th but otherwise I'm OK.

[11:07] Peter P. Yim: ref TaraAthan's question - the standard start-time for the Thursday sessions are

12:30pm EDT and it will last 1.5~2.0 hours (generally 2-Hours when we have a panel session with

multiple panelists)

[11:08] Michael Grüninger / Ken Baclawski: S6. Ontologies for Social Networks [KenBaclawski, EricChan]

- propose to move to next year (after Ontology Summit)

[11:09] Adam Wyner: I'd be very interested in this topic. Please put me on the list for this: S7. How

ontologies can help with the formal specification of the natural language standards

[11:09] Adam Wyner: There is a lot going on in NL and ontologies.

[11:10] Adam Wyner: Also Lemon.

[11:10] Adam Wyner: There could be some clarification of what this subject means.

[11:07] Michael Grüninger: @MikeBennett: do you have a preferred date for your session? - S4.

Ontology-based Financial Standards (e.g. ISO 15944, FIBO) [MikeBennett, BillMcCarthy, ElieAbiLahoud]

[11:10] Michael Grüninger: @MikeBennett: make a random choice between November 7 and December 12 :-)

[11:11] Mike Bennett: @Elie do you have a preference between those dates, as you're also on the hook

for this one?

[11:13] ElieAbiLahoud: I suggest Nov-28 or Dec-5, what do you think ?

[11:15] Michael Grüninger: @ElieAbiLahoud: those dates are already allocated. For your session, we

need to decide between November 7 and December 12

[11:16] ElieAbiLahoud: @Michael, misunderstood the meaning of "between" - Semantics!

[11:15] Mike Bennett: Dec 12 is less ideal for me.

[11:16] Michael Grüninger: Ok, let's go with November 7 for S4 (Ontology-based Financial Standards)

[11:16] Adam Wyner: Mention of the ACE OWL-NL input and output tool as being useful. I'd be

interested if there has been progress with this tool. Last time I used it, the output from an

ontology to NL was rather suspect. But, the intention is in the right direction.

[11:16] Mike Bennett: BillMcCarthy votes for Dec 12 (via email). So let's go with that and I'll make it work.

[11:16] ElieAbiLahoud: @MikeBennett, I have no preference then, I'll adapt

[11:19] Peter P. Yim: @MikeBennett, BillMcCarthy & ElieAbiLahoud - we already have something scheduled

for Dec-12 - the S7 (S7. How ontologies can help with the formal specification of the natural

language standards) team just reserved that date - does Nov-7 work for you guys?

[11:20] Mike Bennett: Nov 7 works for me, checking again with Bill now (he had voted for 12th).

[11:27] Mike Bennett: BillMcCarthy can do Nov 7 as well - so I can confirm we are all 3 on track for

the Nov 7 session.

[11:17] Adam Wyner: Mention of some of the literature on ACE for NL to FOL representations, e.g.

health rules and policy.

[11:17] Simon Spero: Adam: ERGO (med) : http://gem.med.yale.edu/ergo/

[11:17] Tara Athan: @Adam - where do standards come in, in the case of ACE, for example?

[11:21] Adam Wyner: @Simon. Thanks. I know that paper. I did something similar for regulations.

Reading the details, there are significant issues to resolve in using ACE (and I'm very pro ACE).

[11:21] Adam Wyner: @Tara - I'm not clear what the phrase "How ontologies can help with the formal

specification of the natural language standards" means, so would appreciate the authors of the

phrase to clarify.

[11:26] Ken Baclawski: @Adam - Standards are nearly always specified using a document written in a

natural language. The term "natural language standard" in this context means "standard whose

definitive document is written in natural language".

[11:34] Adam Wyner: @Ken - OK. That interpretation. That is different from 'standards of natural

language', which seems to me another reading, but not the desired one.

[11:20] Benjamin Grosof: wrt NL session: I too am very interested, and this is related to

RulesReasoningLP area.

[11:21] Benjamin Grosof: wrt financial-area session: I too am very interested, and this is related to

FIBO's rules area which I co-lead.

[11:22] Benjamin Grosof: The session dates we're talking about work for me for NL (12/12 - good) and

financial-area (11/17 - OK).

[11:23] anonymous morphed into Thomas Getgood

[11:24] Adam Wyner: The NL date of 12/12 does not work for me. Conference 12/11-13.

[11:26] Peter P. Yim: == Peter P. Yim moderating Open discussion-II: Scheduling the RulesReasoningLP sessions

[11:26] Peter P. Yim: see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_12#nid3XF2

[11:35] Peter P. Yim: Benjamin Grosof / Peter P. Yim: a lot of the background/tutorial material can be

recorded offline and made available (hosted in the Ontolog archives) as "mandatory" reading for the

session participants

[11:39] Tara Athan: @Benjamin - that sounds fine to me.

[11:39] Harold Boley: With input from Mike Dean and all, Adrian Paschke and I could help organizing R3.

Common Logic, RuleML and RIF.

[11:39] Benjamin Grosof: Suggestion: RulesReasoningLP session 1 title/description: I would add ",

including Concepts and Foundations of Rulelog, Logic Programming and Semantic Web Rules". ...

[response - Peter P. Yim: the original title actually expands to "Ontology, Rules, and Logic Programming

for Reasoning and Applications (RulesReasoningLP): Survey and Introduction" and the session is

intended to lay out the scope for the entire mini-series, survey the technology landscape, and cite

use cases and applications to motivate the sessions that will follow (as

you suggested) - maybe

you and Leo can deliberate on the final title when you two planning out the session in detail. ...

Note also, that we have had presentations on Common Logic and Rulelog in the Ontolog archives

already.]

[11:40] Benjamin Grosof: I would be glad to help with organizing RulesReasoningLP sessions R2-R4 as

well as with session R1.

[11:40] Benjamin Grosof: Adrian Paschke would be good as a co-lead for R3. Mike Dean is out on medical

work leave currently.

[11:41] Benjamin Grosof: A good R5 (or R6) session would be on Natural Language (NL).

[11:43] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R3: Tara would indeed be a good panelist.

[11:44] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R1: I think it makes most sense for me to speak at R1, hence maybe not

be a chair of the session esp. while presenting.

[11:45] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R1 scope: cover use cases and tools as well as concepts and foundations.

[11:46] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R2: Pascal Hitzler would be good to ask as a panelist. I'm not sure he's

up for being a co-chair but we can see.

[11:49] Peter P. Yim: Leo should contact Pascal to confirm his availability

[11:50] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R1: Henson Graves also feels that we should present use cases - incl. as

challenges as yet not satisfactorily solved as well as past ones already "done".

[11:51] Peter P. Yim: Henson Graves and Ken Baclawski need to touch base offline some time soon too (since

we weren't able to get a mutual consent from both of them here.)

[11:52] GaryBergCross: Have to drop off call now but will check email for any updates.

[11:42] Peter P. Yim: Henson Graves - request that we have a dedicated mailing list for RulesReasoningLP

[11:53] Benjamin Grosof: wrt R1-R4: little plan for action items is the ff. Peter, please create

mailing list of people, send that out to Benjamin G, Henson G, Harold B, then we'll take it from

there to coordinate with Leo and the other proposed session chairs/panelists.

[11:54] Peter P. Yim: [action] Peter will create the new mailing list and auto-subscribe those who were

at the 7/25 brainstorm ... and invite those who we will potentially engage as panelists

[11:58] Peter P. Yim: join us again, next Thursday Sep-19, for the Ontology Summit 2014 Topic Brainstorm

session - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_09_19 - note that the session

will start early (see details on session page)

[11:59] Adam Wyner: Thanks bye.

[11:59] Peter P. Yim: great session - we accomplished practically everything we meant to get done at

this session!

[11:59] Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 11:58am PDT --

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