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Ontology Summit 2010 Launch Event - Thu 2009-12-10

Launch Event for Ontology Summit 2010: "Creating the Ontologists of the Future"

  • Co-chairs: Dr. Steve Ray & Professor BarrySmith (Ontology Summit 2010 General Co-chair)

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  • Date: Thursday, 10-December-2009
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This is our 5th Ontology Summit, a joint initiative by NIST, Ontolog, NCOR, NCBO and IAOA with the support of our co-sponsors. The theme adopted for this Ontology Summit is: "Creating the Ontologists of the Future." In an earlier planning session last month, the community brainstormed on this initiative and how best to frame the issues. That and subsequent input were carefully reviewed and synthesized by the Summit Organizing Committee, and it is this plan that we will be discussing with everyone during this launch event.

This officially marks the beginning of "Ontology Summit 2010." Programs including surveys, mailing list discussions, virtual panel sessions, collaborative authoring of research studies and findings, etc. will follow in the next three months. These activities will culminate in a two-day face-to-face symposium at NIST (Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA) on 15 & 16-March-2010. At this launch, we will be introducing the "Ontology Summit 2010" objective, organization, process, deliverables and preliminary plans to you, and we welcome your ideas and participation.

See: OntologySummit2010 (home page for the project)

Agenda & Proceedings

Ontology Summit 2010 Launch

  • Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call
    • 1. Opening - Steve Ray / Barry Smith
    • 2. we'll go around with a self-introduction of participants (All) (10~15 minutes)
    • 3. Background and the Ontology Summit 2010 objectives
    • 4. The organization, Process and Deliverables
    • 5. Support infrastructure and Administrivia
    • 6. Q & A and open discussion on what the community wants to achieve in this Summit (All ~30 min.) -- please refer to [ process above]
    • 7. Conclusion / Follow-up (SteveRay - 5 minutes)

Topic: Ontology Summit 2010 Launch

  • Abstract: Creating the Ontologists of the Future
Increasingly, major national and international projects centered on ontology technology are being advanced by governments and by scientific and industrial organizations. This brings a growing need for ontology expertise and thus for new methods and institutions for the training of ontologists. The 2010 Ontology Summit will explore strategies to address this need in terms of curriculum, establishment of new career tracks, role of ontology support organizations and funding agencies, as well as training in the analysis and comparison of methodologies for designing, maintaining, implementing, testing and applying ontologies and associated tools and resources.
The 2010 Ontology Summit officially begins with today's launch event. We are initiating a series

of topical online discussions, virtual panel sessions, etc. which will take place, virtually, in the next 3 months. All of these will come together with a face-to-face meeting on March 15 & 16 in Gaithersburg, MD, USA at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).

  • Transcript of the online chat during the session:

see raw transcript here.

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.

-- begin of chat session --

Peter P. Yim:


Welcome to the Thu 2009-12-10 Launch Event for Ontology Summit 2010

  • Panelists:

o Content Track:

+ Present: Arturo Sanchez, Antony Galton

+ Future: Leo Obrst, Michael Grüninger

o Quality Track:

+ Present: Arturo Sanchez, Antony Galton

+ Future: Barry Smith, Nicola Guarino, Fabian Neuhaus

o Professional Context Track:

+ Present: Amanda Vizedom, Ralph Hodgson

+ Future: Elizabeth Florescu, Peter P. Yim


session page:


anonymous morphed into John Schlichter

John Schlichter: What is the URL for the presentation?


JoelNatividad: click on each item enclosed in brackets in Slides bullet

John Schlichter: thank you

anonymous1 morphed into Meika Ungricht

anonymous2 morphed into Kurt Conrad

anonymous1 morphed into Tracy Safran NCICB/EVS

John Schlichter: has joined the concall.

Laurent morphed into Laurent Liscia

anonymous1 morphed into Rex Brooks

anonymous morphed into Peter B Andersen

anonymous1 morphed into Cameron Ross

Frank Olken: I have joined the conference call.

Frank Olken: Just a reminder to NSF PI's: CISE small proposals are due on Dec. 17, 2009.

anonymous: Elizabeth joined, but I don't know how to enter my name...

Joel Bender: Elizabeth: there is a "settings" button at the top, click it.

Joel Bender: There is an option there for your name.

Elizabeth morphed into Elizabeth Florescu

Arturo Sanchez: @anonymous: press Settings

anonymous morphed into Stuart Turner

anonymous2 morphed into Barry Smith

Rex Brooks morphed into Rex Brooks

Mary Brady morphed into Mary Brady

Cameron Ross morphed into Cameron Ross

Bill Hogan morphed into Bill Hogan

anonymous morphed into Pavithra Kenjige

JoelNatividad: Gents, can you confirm that the VNC shared screen is up?

Ravi Sharma: Yes Joel

Arturo Sanchez: @JoelNatividad: it seems VNC is not up this time ... ask Peter

Ravi Sharma: Joel, Please put in password after you open the VNC in a new Window some company

firewalls do not allow so download the slides and open them please

Arturo Sanchez: Arturo Sanchez: @JoelNatividad: I take it back ... it is up ...

Tracy Safran NCICB/EVS morphed into Tracy Safran SAIC/EVS

JoelNatividad: @Arturo,Ravi:thanks

Ravi Sharma: Barry

Ravi Sharma: Are you able to see this please unmute #3

Peter B Andersen: None of the phone numbers I have tried seems to be correct. Has any one else had

this problem?

John Schlichter: Darn. I missed the intro because I had to answer the door.

Arturo Sanchez: @PeterYim: I hear OK ...

Amanda Vizedom: Steve, you are fading in and out to me

Tracy Safran SAIC/EVS: No problems hearing either of you

John Schlichter: The presenter is hard to hear.

John Schlichter: Peter is easy to hear, but Steve is not.

Peter P. Yim: Barry, we cannot hear you

Barry Smith: I am hearing you, but you seem not to be hearing me.

Ravi Sharma: Barry please press *3

Arturo Sanchez: Yes!

Arturo Sanchez: Excellent!

anonymous morphed into My Coyne

Peter P. Yim: we seem to have vnc problem too ... please run the slides on your desktops

Ravi Sharma: Barry: I agree that Ontology basics from different viewpoints should be a common

awareness baseline curriculum.

Arturo Sanchez: indeed ...

anonymous morphed into Boris Shvedin

John Schlichter: Barry commented that ontology should not be confused with semiotics or

Wittgenstein-ian language games. Should it not be confused with phenomenology as well, or is that a

relevant intellectual history?

Ravi Sharma: Barry: However I am not in favor of restricting the access to ontolog forum except by

whatever moderation that peter so kindly provides. We have to laud Peter's efforts at keeping the

forum transparent and open to the World at large. What perhaps you are meaning is that those who

claim some certification etc can have a more restricted forum such as certified ontologists. I have

for example no formal training in Ontology and i am happy to operate in open forum. If I submit a

paper, it has to be refereed etc and there are mechanisms to restrict or filter contributions. I

recommend to keep Ontolog Forum Open.

Ravi Sharma: Peter: please update VNC

Ravi Sharma: Arturo: we have to search and explore and interpret different curriculae which most

likely often are part of some domain based curriculae and also combine them with onto specific

curriculae to get a canvas of current state.

Amanda Vizedom: Don't worry, John and Ravi -- there will be *plenty* of discussion about what the

content, measures, and delivery of ontological competence are & should be. Barry shared his

motivation with us, but it is important for all to know that motivations across the Organizing

Committee are quite varied, and all expect similar variation among participants. I hope that we can

discuss these, but also - essentially - move past them to make progress on the training/education

development goals we have in common.

Ravi Sharma: Leo and Mike: Why are you excluding a Ph.D. Program in Ontology whether it is coupled

with knowledge type adjectives?

anonymous morphed into Jeff Abbott

Ravi Sharma: Mike:

John Schlichter: Amanda: thanks. Just trying to orient my listening.

JoelNatividad: Peter, Steve: I can hear Steve quite well

JoelNatividad: Perhaps, its on your end

Bart Gajderowicz: I hear the static as well.

Bruce Bray: no problem hearing Steve from my end

John Schlichter: I can hear everyone fine now.

Rex Brooks: I'm also having no trouble hearing Steve.

John Schlichter: Well, the presenter just disapeared.

Cameron Ross: A lot of baseline static here.

My Coyne: Now, I cannot hear anything..

Elizabeth Florescu: it seems that the line got cut????

GaryBergCross: I can hear everyone.

Rex Brooks: I'm now also not hearing anyone but Peter, Frank and a few others.

Steve Ray: I've lost contact also.

My Coyne: Yes I can hear steve

Steve Ray: Can't hear Arturo.

Arturo Sanchez: Can you hear me??

Cameron Ross: all clear now

Bart Gajderowicz: The static just disappeared for me as well.

John Schlichter: I seem to hear everyone except Arturo.

Steve Ray: Can't hear Arturo

Frank Olken: I can hear Steve Ray, Peter Yim, Michael Gruninger, .... but not Arturo.

Ravi Sharma: Barry: can you hear steve?

Arturo Sanchez: It seems I need to call again ... move to another track ...

Michael Grüninger: @Ravi: We are not exlcuding PhD programme; that was a small oversight in the


Ravi Sharma: Mike: We need Domain based such as Supply chain, Mfg, Financial and other practical

domains clinical practices and also professional tracks such as biology, medicine , physics etc.

JoelNatividad: +1 to Ravi's point about domains. Also, what about work on standardizing

domain-specific upper ontologies

Michael Grüninger: @Ravi : Yes, I mentioned the notion of streams for industrial application areas at

the end of my presentation (although it wasn't explicitly on the slides)

Steve Ray: Barry is now presenting.

Bart Gajderowicz: Which slides / page is Barry presenting from?

Steve Ray: Barry is on slide #2

Arturo Sanchez: I am back ... I can hear Barry ... but need to check if people will be able to hear

me ... let me know ...

Joel Bender: @Bart:


JoelNatividad: @Bart:

Bart Gajderowicz: thank you

Steve Ray: Arturo, I will introduce you once Barry is finished.

Steve Ray: Slide #3

Ravi Sharma: Peter VNC does not work?

anonymous morphed into JulitaBermejoAlonso

Bart Gajderowicz: Slides:


Amanda Vizedom: @John. Roger that. I would hate for anyone to think that they should not contribute,

or stick with the Summit over the next few months, because of disagreement with Barry's position (he

will be the first to say it is a controversial one). The work we will be doing over the duration of

the summit is fundamentally critical and collaborative. IMNSHO, the breadth and depth of that

critical collaboration is essential. Diversity of experience is a significant factor in whether the

Summit produces something that moves the field of ontology forward.

Ravi Sharma: Yes Amanda

Ravi Sharma: Barry: I think we have concentrated effectively on creating a practice out of what was

earlier very spotty presence encompassing almost many many disciplines, e.g. philosophy, math,

physics, computer logic, bio, various other communities including search and discovery, databases

people from many walks. Your efforts are praiseworthy to create an academic and professional

certification tracks and hopefully these will be recognized by academic bodies to design new

curriculae around them.

Arturo Sanchez: @RaviSharma: thank you Ravi ... in your suggestion you are mixing present with

future. The stance we propose we take is to first see what is out there, and also propose what we

think should be out there ... your point is well taken

anonymous morphed into Matthew Lange

John Schlichter: Amanda: I don't find Barry's thesis controversial. I prefer learning to being right.

I appreciate a distinction between ontology as metaphysics and ontology information science. The

latter grew from the former. In this regard, I wonder what Barry's comment meant that we should

disregard "irrelevant philosophical games".

JoelNatividad: @Amanda: I have so many war stories being a practitioner. Can you share your contact


Ravi Sharma: Amanda: Yes I agree, today we have to search for people today by first knowing whether

they have worked with known institutions, tools or individuals, and now I have view access to your

slides, I agree with your slides. However do you not agree that we have to have a roadmap or canvas

of knowledge-ontology-science-logic-philosophy&logic etc and practices from DARPA, Europe and Other

US Knowledge initaitives from multiple dimensions, then we can also create strategies for where the

gaps are needs are and where the efforts should be.

John Schlichter: Ontology is taught in some universities as Philosophy. This is less the case in

America, which has sucumbed to the Analytic school and focuses on language games, and used to be

more common in Europe (Continental Philosophy). This developed into very practical scientific

methods for practicing ontology. Thus there are already relevant curriculums.

anonymous morphed into Ed Dodds

Rex Brooks: Don't we need to understand the marketplace in the sense of educating that marketplace

about the potential value of ontologists?

Amanda Vizedom: @Joel Yes, and a tip for you and others looking for Ontolog member contact info:

Looking at the Wiki page for the session, you'll see that many names are hyperlinks. Click on the

name and you will get the person's profile. Many folks, including me, have contact info on there

(slightly obfuscated to prevent spambot harvesting).

Ravi Sharma: Elizabeth and Peter: Do you think a narrative section or some comment section for

justifying or explaining the rationale for their choices on this questionaire would provide

reasoning tracking capability of their answers?

Rex Brooks: Who is the audience and are they ready to understand the value of ontology?

Ravi Sharma: Elizabeth & Peter: explaining reasoning is important to create a case based reasoning

type automation for the future ontology analyses.

Rex Brooks: Yes that was addressed to the speaker.

Rex Brooks: How can a questionnaire help us understand this readiness.

Peter P. Yim: @Amanda: one interesting question would be ... "how are expectations from ontologists

different from those of knowledge engineers of the past?"

knowledge engineer 

Ravi Sharma: Rex: I think it at least starts with peergroup capture of current state of ontology

training and curriculum awareness.

Rex Brooks: I accept that, Ravi, but we also need to push it out beyond that.

Elizabeth Florescu: to Ravi Sharma: yes, the reasoning adds a lot of information on the present and

future developments

Elizabeth Florescu: to Rex Brooks: the audience at this point is the ontology community itself; but

the results, digested and integrated in the final document will be directed to the audience of this

summit's audience

Ravi Sharma: Amanda: thanks, I agree we will have more time to discus these during this period.

Ravi Sharma: Peter: What are the different ways such as articles, presentations, by which we can

participate and contribute to this summit from now on?

Bonnie Swart: Shouldn't we have an "ontology professional" ontology? We could model each track's

topics from the perspective of the ontologist: education, certification, skills, employers and

organizations, projects, etc.

Ravi Sharma: Bonnie great idea. I agree even if do not have a full solution, at least it will demo

power of logic and relationships.

Ed Dodds: For building the "value case", analysts at institutional investment houses need to be

targeted for education so that firms recognized as utilizing ontologies will be seen as more

efficient (and then, by extension, more profitable).

Arturo Sanchez: @BonnieSwart: good point Bonnie! We actually talked about that and started putting a

draft concept map together. We invested much time in trying to come to agree on names for concepts

and relationships, and realized that for the purpose of eliciting the structure of the summit it was

probably an over-kill. However, if you are interested, this would be a neat and useful contribution.

Are you willing to contribute with this?

Ravi Sharma: Rex: Peergroup input and technology forecasting methods such as old DELPHI etc? this

certainly needs to capture reasoning behind practicing professionals logic and reasoning in

depicting current and future projections.

Terry Longstreth: @Ravi&Bonnie; sounds like could become an ACM Special Interest Group (SIGONTO?)

Ravi Sharma: Arturo:I would like to provide inputs to this effort and collaborate.

Amanda Vizedom: @John: Like Barry, I am a philosopher by training. As you may guess, we might be seen

as representing very different schools of thought (and, I believe, different subfields). We share a

deep commitment to formal correctness and logical roots. Perhaps as a consequence of different

philosophical stances, we often differ regarding how elements of the working context *should* or

  • should not* change the very nature of quality and correctness generally, and the skills needed.

John Schlichter: Examples where ontology is being used? How about analysis of cyber activity and

social networks to gauge intentions and threats?

Ravi Sharma: Great comment from the speaker(?) the very observation disturbs the experiment's current

state, except for thought experiments of Einstein?

Amanda Vizedom: A side effect of the Professional Context survey might well be a better sense of the

running projects that use ontology.

John Schlichter: Amanda: Like you and barry, I too am a philosopher by training. Also am a management

consultant by training and vocation. Ontology became an operational science in the 1930's with works

like Husserl's "Crisis of the European Sciences" which outlined the phenomenological technique as

the foundation of modern science. Those are the techniques that have evolved into ontology as

information science focusing on the formal representation of a set of concepts within a domain and

the relationships between those concepts.

JoelNatividad: Another example: We're using it for semantic integration at a major pharma of several

datasources - think of it as Enterprise Application Integration 2.0 (3.0?)

Bonnie Swart: @ Arturo & Ravi: Yes, I'd be happy to collaborate with Ravi and anyone else who would

be interested in creating an ontologist ontology. (My very first ontology was an "ontology"

ontology, so there's a neat alignment with the idea of building an "ontologist" ontology!)

Ravi Sharma: Barry and Amanda: There are many Ontology based applications in Bio, Bioinformatics

(genetics) and Medicine (SNOMED) and many new initiatives in NIC, NIH etc. But I feel even there we

do not clearly understand how to integrate or interoperate different levels or cross ontology


Ed Dodds: There are many business folks who understand the value of taxonomies -- and I think can be

persuaded that, by analog, ontologies will be beneficial.

John Schlichter: To Barry's original point, a way to advance ontology is to distinguish what ontology

is not.

Ravi Sharma: Yes Thanks Peter.

Amanda Vizedom: @EdDodds -- Indeed! As I learned at Taxonomy Boot Camp a few weeks ago, and learned

much about the road from there. I was pleased to learn of the extent to which folks in that world

are reaching up the semantic spectrum on their own.

Arturo Sanchez: @Bonnie & Ravi: great! Please, do collaborate on that ... and--if you do not

mind--keep me in the loop as I am very interested in the exercise ... my contact is on the slides I

presented today and also on my Ontolog entry. I also see Ravi's contact at his Ontolog entry, but do

not see yours.

Ed Dodds: The push toward international accounting standards, xbrl is a current situation which can

be used as a teaching example of a community becoming aware of the utility of a standardized

taxonomy/description approach.

Bonnie Swart: @John: one of the first topics I address when introducing any ontology-based idea is

titled "What is an Ontology and, More Importantly, What isn't".

Tracy Safran SAIC/EVS: Is there a central wiki with information on people/projects/training?

John Schlichter: @Bonnie: do you have a presentation on that topic?

Bonnie Swart: @John: not really; I usually address the "What isn't" part in one or two slides,

tailored to a specific audience.

Ravi Sharma: Arturo: Thanks and Steve Ray many thanks.

Ravi Sharma: Also Barry many thanks.

Arturo Sanchez: @Ravi: my pleasure.

Bonnie Swart: @Arturo: I keep forgetting to update my wiki page -- I'll put my info up later today.

John Schlichter: @Amanda: thanks. Please connect with me at

Amanda Vizedom: @Bonnie, Ravi, John: Yes. It's important to know, though, that many people have

advanced such models, mostly based on a particular theory or opinion exclusively. We need the

critical collaboration to get a more informed answer.

Arturo Sanchez: @Bonnie&Ravi: Great! look forward to cooperating with both of you

JoelNatividad: @Peter: To the wiki question, will there be a new purple wiki using PMWX/SMW (as a

sem wiki advocate) for the initiative?

Peter P. Yim: @Joel ... yes, PSMW (purple semantic media wiki) ... that's the plan ... Ken Baclawski's

team (NEU) and my team (CIM3) are working on content migration now

Steve Ray: Thanks for your participation. Talk to you all soon.

Arturo Sanchez: @all: gotta go now ... great session ... thanks y'all

Peter P. Yim: Thank you, everyone ... great session ... bye!

JoelNatividad: plaudits to all the speakers, and especially to Peter!

Peter P. Yim: Thanks, Joel.

-- end of chat session --

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An Open Invitation

If you do find this initiative interesting or useful, we cordially invite you to join us in the "Ontology Summit 2010" virtual discourse that will be taking place in the next 3 months or so, and to the face-to-face workshop that will be held on 15 & 16-March-2010 as part of the NIST Interoperability Week in Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA.

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