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Ontology Summit 2011 Launch Event - Thu 2011-01-20     (1)

  • Topic: OntologySummit2011: "Making the Case for Ontology"     (1A)

Abstract: Goals & Objectives     (1F)

OntologySummit2011 Theme: "Making the Case for Ontology"     (1F1)

This is our 6th Ontology Summit, a joint initiative by NIST, Ontolog, NCOR, NCBO, IAOA & NCO_NITRD with the support of our co-sponsors. The theme adopted for this Ontology Summit is: "Making the Case for Ontology." In an earlier planning session last month, the community brainstormed on this initiative and how best to frame the issues. That and subsequent input were carefully reviewed and synthesized by the Summit Organizing Committee, and it is this plan and program that we will be discussing with everyone during this launch event.     (1F2)

While the field of ontology, in the information science sense, has blossomed since the late 1980s, the use of ontology in commercial applications still has not been fully exploited, much less recognized by the mainstream technical community. Many in the ontology community are asked for good examples where using an ontology brings clear benefits to addressing a commercial need - indeed the quest continues for the "killer app" for ontologies. This year's Ontology Summit seeks to address this need to provide concrete evidence of successful deployment of ontologies by examining several application domains for such examples, and in better articulating where different "strengths" of ontological representation are best applied. The goal of the summit is to clearly document some of these examples with solid, quantitative benefits, to indicate promising application areas and research challenges for the future, and to capture the consensus of the community in the form of a communique intended for public consumption.     (1F3)

The 2011 Ontology Summit officially begins with today's launch event. We are initiating a series of topical online discussions, virtual panel sessions, studies, synthesis, etc. which will take place, virtually, in the next 3 months. All of these will come together with a face-to-face meeting on April 18 & 19 in Gaithersburg, MD, USA at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).     (1F4)

See developing details at: OntologySummit2011 (home page for this summit)     (1F5)

Agenda     (1G)

Ontology Summit 2011 Launch     (1G1)

  • Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call     (1G2)

Proceedings     (1H)

Please refer to the above     (1H1)

IM Chat Transcript captured during the session    (1H2)

see raw transcript here.     (1H2A)

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)     (1H2B)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.     (1H2C)

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --     (1H2D)

Steve Ray: Welcome to the Ontology Summit 2011 Launch Event - Thu 2011-01-20     (1H2E)

Topic: Ontology Summit 2011: "Making the Case for Ontology"     (1H2F)

Co-chairs: Dr. Steve Ray & Dr. Nicola Guarino     (1H2G)

anonymous morphed into Yu Lin     (1H2H)

anonymous morphed into David Price     (1H2I)

David Price morphed into David Price     (1H2J)

Steve Ray: See details on the session page at     (1H2L)

anonymous morphed into David Eddy     (1H2N)

anonymous1 morphed into JulitaBermejoAlonso     (1H2O)

anonymous morphed into Pierre Grenon     (1H2P)

anonymous morphed into Michelle Raymond     (1H2Q)

anonymous1 morphed into Al Stevens     (1H2R)

anonymous morphed into Laurent Liscia OASIS     (1H2S)

MikeDean1 morphed into Mike Dean     (1H2T)

Laurent Liscia OASIS: I'm delighted to be here (albeit lurking in the wings)     (1H2U)

Laurent Liscia OASIS: Congratulations to you all as you launch into your new summit.     (1H2V)

anonymous1 morphed into Ed Dodds     (1H2W)

anonymous2 morphed into Bobbin Teegarden     (1H2X)

Laurent Liscia OASIS: And let me state that the case for ontology does not actually need to be made:     (1H2Y)

anyone in standards knows that ontology is the way to go.     (1H2Z)

anonymous morphed into Elizabeth Florescu     (1H2AA)

Nicola Guarino: *3 to unmute, right?     (1H2AB)

Fabian Neuhaus: Yes you are right     (1H2AC)

Mike Bennett: Did Peter just mute himself?     (1H2AD)

Peter P. Yim: got disconnected just now ... I'm back in     (1H2AE)

Ramdsriram: Steve: How do you un-mute here.     (1H2AF)

Ramdsriram: @Fabian: Thanks     (1H2AH)

anonymous1 morphed into Ali Hashemi     (1H2AI)

Ed Dodds: Would folks mind listing any of their Twitter or Identica IDs on the chat? @ed_dodds     (1H2AJ)

@conmergence fwiw     (1H2AK)

Mike Bennett: Twitter ID: @MikeHypercube     (1H2AL)

Amanda Vizedom: Twitter ID: ajvizedom     (1H2AM)

Gary Berg-Cross: Twitter ID garybcross     (1H2AN)

Al Stevens: Twitter ID astevens     (1H2AO)

Steve Ray: My Twitter id: steveraysteve     (1H2AP)

David Price: Twitter ID : davidpricenet     (1H2AQ)

Amanda Vizedom: Relatedly, last year we regretted not having selected a nice, short #hashtag for the     (1H2AR)

conference. Anything for this year, organizers, or is the door open for suggestions?     (1H2AS)

Ed Dodds: #ontologysummit2011 works for me     (1H2AT)

Amanda Vizedom: @Ed complaints last year about using 19 char for a hashtag     (1H2AU)

Steve Ray: Understand the long hashtag problem, and yet we benefit from the tweets showing up under     (1H2AW)

general searches if we don't abbreviate.     (1H2AX)

anonymous1 morphed into John F. Sowa     (1H2AY)

anonymous2 morphed into JVermeer     (1H2AZ)

Ed Dodds: We could target the creation of open courseware for ontology related matter (DSPACE     (1H2AAA)

[1], Open Courseware [2], curriki [3], etc.)     (1H2AAB)

since this kind of material could prosper in the distance education world.     (1H2AAC)

Ed Dodds: RE: Education - James H. Shelton III, Assistant Deputy Secretary for Innovation and     (1H2AAD)

Improvement might be enlisted as an ontology ally     (1H2AAE)

anonymous1 morphed into Jeffrey Abbott     (1H2AAF)

anonymous2 morphed into Arturo Sanchez     (1H2AAG)

Todd Schneider: @Nicola, is the IAOA web site using https yet?     (1H2AAH)

John Bateman: @ToddSchneider: Nicola, is the IAOA web site using https yet? An SSL-based layer will     (1H2AAI)

soon be brought online for membership registration.     (1H2AAJ)

Todd Schneider: @John, excellent. I've been waiting to join.     (1H2AAK)

anonymous2 morphed into Tara Athan     (1H2AAL)

Ed Dodds: FWIW Real-time user case example: Drupal 7 - Semantic     (1H2AAM)

Web: RDF instance data (and ontology) management on a Sesame Triple-Store     (1H2AAN)

Steve Ray: John F. Sowa said: Steve Jobs doesn't use metrics. We can't measure where we want to go. This     (1H2AAP)

is a problem.     (1H2AAQ)

Todd Schneider: @John, developing a 'wow factor' for infrastructure has always been a challenge.     (1H2AAR)

anonymous1 morphed into Mary Parmelee     (1H2AAS)

Arturo Sanchez: @SteveRay and @Nicola: second that! -- Peter is instrumental!     (1H2AAT)

Arturo Sanchez: @MichaelGruninger: Re: Track 2: I suggest to use "Ontology-Driven Software     (1H2AAU)

Engineering", in lieu of "Ontology-Driven Software Design" ...     (1H2AAV)

Todd Schneider: @Arturo, @Michael, suggest replacing 'software' with 'system'.     (1H2AAW)

Todd Schneider: @Michael, it sounds like you'll be able to develop architectural patterns for the     (1H2AAX)

uses of ontologies/semantic technologies.     (1H2AAY)

Arturo Sanchez: @ToddSchneider: "O-D Systems" >> Refers to a class of software systems (I presume);     (1H2AAZ)

O-D Software Engineering >> Refers to the practices associated with building "O-D Systems". So, it     (1H2AAAA)

seems we want to discuss both concepts ...     (1H2AAAB)

Nicola Guarino: I support Todd very much. We should not be limited to software systems. Indeed, the     (1H2AAAC)

general perspective concerning the future use of ontologies is much broader: from information     (1H2AAAD)

systems to socio-technical systems.     (1H2AAAE)

Michael Grüninger: @Arturo -- I agree, we should refer to "Ontology-driven Software Engineering"     (1H2AAAF)

Nicola Guarino: Alan Rector said: we should clarify relationship between ontologies models and     (1H2AAAG)

data structures     (1H2AAAH)

Peter P. Yim: @Alan and all ... if you can capture your main points on this chat board before or after     (1H2AAAI)

your verbal remarks, that would be great (as the chat-transcript will be captured and become     (1H2AAAJ)

searchable later)     (1H2AAAK)

Ed Dodds: Is represented here by anyone -- model driven is their thing     (1H2AAAL)

Mike Bennett: We are liaising closely with OMG in our work at the EDM Council and are using their ODM     (1H2AAAM)

Arturo Sanchez: @EdDodds: I am not from OMG, but have been associated with "Domain-Specific Software     (1H2AAAO)

Development" (e.g., ongoing workshop at OOPSLA)     (1H2AAAP)

Todd Schneider: @Ed, OMG's model-driven == UML     (1H2AAAQ)

Ramdsriram: @Todd Not sure I understand that what you mean by model-driven == UML. I believe UML is     (1H2AAAR)

used as a scheme to represent the model-driven architecture concepts.     (1H2AAAS)

Ed Dodds: @ToddSchneider True but do a quick search on UML & Ontology; quite a little material out     (1H2AAAT)

Todd Schneider: OMG's model-driven approaches are based on UML.     (1H2AAAV)

Alan Rector: Agree that UML is a poor way to develop ontologies; but many of the ontologies we     (1H2AAAY)

develop have to have, as at least one of their outcomes, UML models / data models or at least     (1H2AAAZ)

provide constraints on them. Furthermore, thre are far more people trained in UML/MDA than     (1H2AAAAA)

ontologies. I look forward to a longer discussion on 3 Feb.     (1H2AAAAB)

David Price: @MichaelGruninger : Seems slide 3 is 'What roles do ontologies play in applications?'and     (1H2AAAAC)

suggest adding'What are the advantages of the use of ontologies in those roles?'     (1H2AAAAD)

JulitaBermejoAlonso: There has been some developments on ontologies and UML (even suggesting to move     (1H2AAAAE)

forward to OMG's SysML), mostly for agent-based systems and software engineering     (1H2AAAAF)

Rex Brooks: Just to let you know I'm listening, The Open Group attempted to use a form of UML for a     (1H2AAAAG)

SOA Ontology and the result was neither especially useful, understandable or successful for a number     (1H2AAAAH)

of reasons, but UML is not a great fit for ontologies unless one is very, very careful.     (1H2AAAAI)

Ed Dodds: @RexBrooks Thanks     (1H2AAAAJ)

Rex Brooks: @Ed Dodds You're welcome.     (1H2AAAAK)

Rex Brooks: Provided we provide an adequate disclaimer, it would be interesting to see how well an     (1H2AAAAL)

application based on the TOG SOA Ontology performs according to the criteria being discussed.     (1H2AAAAM)

David Price: @ToddSchneider Another core technology behind OMG MDA is QVT ... what's MDA without a     (1H2AAAAN)

transformation engine. Ontology-driven should/could drive a similar need.     (1H2AAAAO)

Todd Schneider: David, What does QVT stand for?     (1H2AAAAP)

David Price: Query / View / Transform     (1H2AAAAQ)

Gary Berg-Cross: Mike G makes a point (in passing) the Ontologies provide value (the beef) for     (1H2AAAAR)

something like model-based development.     (1H2AAAAS)

Michael Grüninger: @Todd: interesting idea to think of the framework as providing architectural     (1H2AAAAT)

patterns; perhaps this will guide us in how detailed we need to make the framework     (1H2AAAAU)

Todd Schneider: Michael G., Alan's point suggests a decomposition of 'uses' of ontologies in systems     (1H2AAAAV)

development.     (1H2AAAAW)

Alan Rector: On applications: a) Important to clarify relationship between ontologies and data     (1H2AAAAX)

structures / data models.     (1H2AAAAY)

Alan Rector: b) Links to standard software engineering methodologies, UML, MDA, etc     (1H2AAAAZ)

Alan Rector: c) To be specific on the added value of "ontology driven architectures"     (1H2AAAAAA)

Ramdsriram: @MichaelGruninger: There is a framework called Zachman Framework. Have you hear of that.     (1H2AAAAAB)

May be useful in organizing your track.     (1H2AAAAAC)

Michael Grüninger: @DavidPrice: I saw the discussion of the advantages of ontologies being the focus     (1H2AAAAAD)

of Track 3; the framework would be used to help understand how different applications can be     (1H2AAAAAE)

compared to each other.     (1H2AAAAAF)

David Price: @MichaelGruninger OK, makes sense there.     (1H2AAAAAG)

Jim Rhyne: It is hard to argue that something computational can only be done with an ontology. Almost     (1H2AAAAAH)

anything I can do with, e.g. OWL / Pellet I can also do with Java and a database. The real difference     (1H2AAAAAI)

is how easy it is to create and maintain the behavioral rules for an application in an ontology. A     (1H2AAAAAJ)

similar argument has been made for rule systems. The problem with rule systems is the difficulty of     (1H2AAAAAK)

debugging without some kind of consistency checker.     (1H2AAAAAL)

David Price: @JimRhyne I doesn't have to be about 'can only be done', can simply be 'can be done     (1H2AAAAAM)

better, faster, cheaper'     (1H2AAAAAN)

Jim Rhyne: @DavidPrice - yes, Mike retracted his earlier remarks on slide 2     (1H2AAAAAO)

Nicola Guarino: @MikeBennett: not just "the best that they have", but perhaps also "the worst that     (1H2AAAAAP)

they have"... Learning from failures in applying ontologies might be very useful...     (1H2AAAAAQ)

Mike Bennett: @Nicola that is a good idea. I think what we want for the summation at the Face to Face     (1H2AAAAAR)

would be what people did that worked and what they would do differently next time. I'm not sure     (1H2AAAAAS)

we'll attract people to present on their failures though     (1H2AAAAAT)

Peter P. Yim: @Nicola ... that said, we still want to build a repertoire of "Best" cases that people can     (1H2AAAAAU)

point others to when they are "making a case for ontology"     (1H2AAAAAV)

David Eddy: ...we're 60+ years into software & haven't quantified it or applied metrics. Why bother     (1H2AAAAAW)

with Ontology?     (1H2AAAAAX)

David Price: @MikeBennett slide 5 : Why only business case for ontology as a whole? Why not allow     (1H2AAAAAY)

ontology in combination with other technologies or aspects of technologies? Don't understand what     (1H2AAAAAZ)

that limitation is included.     (1H2AAAAAAA)

Mike Bennett: @DavidPrice that was weak phrasing on my part. Ontology as a whole range of formal     (1H2AAAAAAB)

models of reality, not just one type like OWL or RDF. Not ontology in isolation. Will look at how     (1H2AAAAAAC)

these delivered some value, which is almost always in connection with some application.     (1H2AAAAAAD)

Brand Niemann (Semantic Community)1: Re "While the field of ontology, in the information science     (1H2AAAAAAE)

sense, ... I suggest we consider ontology, in the data science sense, - see     (1H2AAAAAAF)

Brand Niemann (Semantic Community)1: Mills will probably speak to the value proposition next week,     (1H2AAAAAAH)

which suggests we broaden out to building knowledge-centric systems, not IT centric systems, in     (1H2AAAAAAI)

which ontology may or may not be needed - see Knowledge-Centric Paradigm: A New World of IT     (1H2AAAAAAJ)

Peter P. Yim: @Todd - slide#3 ... [ref. Todd's remark about concentrating only on monetary value] sure     (1H2AAAAAAL)

we will focus on "value" wrt to ROI (return on investment), but thought we will *also* address other     (1H2AAAAAAM)

intangible values as well, like quality improvement, strategic impact, and others that have been     (1H2AAAAAAN)

brought up on the [ontology-summit] list earlier     (1H2AAAAAAO)

Brian Haugh: The proposed metrics focus appears to neglect key metrics used in evaluating the     (1H2AAAAAAP)

quality of results, such as precision and recall in search.     (1H2AAAAAAQ)

Steve Ray: I agree with Peter's point, and Brian's suggestion. The metrics can be monetary, or other     (1H2AAAAAAR)

types like quality, performance, capability...     (1H2AAAAAAS)

Bill Hogan: I would say that how ontologies facilitate/improve/affect all these aspects of your     (1H2AAAAAAT)

overall architecture are more important than these things as attributes of the ontology itself.     (1H2AAAAAAU)

Todd Schneider: Brain, The metrics I suggested are needed to to bolster the case to decision makers.     (1H2AAAAAAV)

They need to be simple and related to the primary interests of the decision makers. Your example     (1H2AAAAAAW)

suggests a particular usage and the metrics for that case may need to stress performance metrics.     (1H2AAAAAAX)

Todd Schneider: @Peter, intangible values rarely are of interest to 'decision makers'. However, there     (1H2AAAAAAY)

may be a useful way to connect these to more base ROI metrics. I leave to the community to help     (1H2AAAAAAZ)

Peter P. Yim: [subsequently added] @Todd: for C-level executives and Policy makers, strategic value     (1H2AAAAAAAB)

(mostly intangible) would be very pertinent     (1H2AAAAAAAC)

Nicola Guarino: @Todd: To understand value metrics and value models, maybe it would be useful to     (1H2AAAAAAAD)

develop an ontology of value and value models... See     (1H2AAAAAAAE)

Todd Schneider: @Nicola, Yes that occurred to me, but was hesitant to introduce that notion due to     (1H2AAAAAAAG)

the required work and constrained time line. In principal whatever is developed for track 3 will     (1H2AAAAAAAH)

provide a basis for such an ontology.     (1H2AAAAAAAI)

Alan Rector: @RexBrooks & Todd Schneider: How does the argument for ontology in general relate to the     (1H2AAAAAAAJ)

ontology spectrum in slide 4 ?     (1H2AAAAAAAK)

Todd Schneider: @Alan, Slide 3, Ontology Spectrum, was only to suggest that there may need to be     (1H2AAAAAAAL)

either multiple metrics or value sets for the metrics.     (1H2AAAAAAAM)

Rex Brooks: @Todd We should contact Kurt Conrad on the value ontology (ontology of value types)     (1H2AAAAAAAN)

and/or value model ontology (ontology of models associated with various value types). This is, of     (1H2AAAAAAAO)

course, directly related to architectural models, too, hence an NCOIC connection.     (1H2AAAAAAAP)

Amanda Vizedom: Must drop off. Thanks to presenters; looking forward to continuing sessions.     (1H2AAAAAAAQ)

David Price: @ToddSchneider I find it hard to make sense of 'ROI for an ontology'. I understand ROI     (1H2AAAAAAAR)

for an application as that's what affects an organization, but not for particular components of that     (1H2AAAAAAAS)

application. I hope the track can help answer this question.     (1H2AAAAAAAT)

Mike Bennett: @DavidPrice re ROI for an ontology. If someone tried to solve some problem using     (1H2AAAAAAAU)

technical means alone and spent a lot of time and money, and then spent some time creating some     (1H2AAAAAAAV)

ontology and addressed the same problem in less time, there's an ROI.     (1H2AAAAAAAW)

Todd Schneider: @David, You're correct about 'ROI of ontology'. Hence the focus on system. Systems     (1H2AAAAAAAX)

use ontologies and semantic technologies; Systems have an understandable ROI.     (1H2AAAAAAAY)

David Price: @ToddSchneider OK - I'll be interested in seeing how it goes. Getting ROI info is     (1H2AAAAAAAZ)

notoriously difficult.     (1H2AAAAAAAAA)

Todd Schneider: @David, I also interested in seeing how this goes. Lots of questions, confusion.     (1H2AAAAAAAAB)

Rex Brooks: Also, since I am directly involved with using UML is SOA, specifically for the OASIS SOA     (1H2AAAAAAAAC)

Reference Architecture Foundation (SOA_RAF), I will be creating an ontology from the SOA-RAF and     (1H2AAAAAAAAD)

ensuring that it works, but I will inevitably restrict/qualify it as specific to the SOA-RAF and not     (1H2AAAAAAAAE)

Brian Lucas: Another aspect to consider is that to be truly interoperable, I believe the ontologies     (1H2AAAAAAAAG)

must themselves be re-usable and cross-referenced (and, ideally, reconciled into upper-level     (1H2AAAAAAAAH)

ontologies). I have recently come to the conclusion that upper-level ontologies are very necessary     (1H2AAAAAAAAI)

to interoperating lower-level ontologies, if we wish to have any hope of reconciling the     (1H2AAAAAAAAJ)

separately-developed, domain-specific ontologies. And the connection of these "non-IT" ontologies     (1H2AAAAAAAAK)

may help drive the actual IT implementations (UML or otherwise). Perhaps the Grand Challenge track     (1H2AAAAAAAAL)

is the place for this thinking?     (1H2AAAAAAAAM)

Yu Lin: agree with Brian     (1H2AAAAAAAAN)

Steve Ray: +2 on Brian's remark. I am arguing this very point in integrating the 70+ standards being     (1H2AAAAAAAAP)

developed to support the smart grid interoperability in the US.     (1H2AAAAAAAAQ)

David Price: @BrianLucas : Upper-or-not is a huge debate and I'd be concerned about it being a on     (1H2AAAAAAAAR)

the critical path wrt a good way to 'Make the Case for Ontology' in the larger world. I've worked in     (1H2AAAAAAAAS)

both worlds and find strong advocates that disagree completely.     (1H2AAAAAAAAT)

Brian Lucas: @DavidPrice : I do not believe it should be on the critical path either. It is a     (1H2AAAAAAAAU)

personal interest of mine in the organization space, and I'm launching a non-profit in this domain,     (1H2AAAAAAAAV)

but I'll continue the conversation in one or more of the tracks.     (1H2AAAAAAAAW)

David Price: @BrianLucas, I'll be interested in following up on that with as part of the Summit.     (1H2AAAAAAAAX)

Jim Rhyne: @Nicola - unfortunately VMBO is a workshop format with unpublished proceedings. One has to     (1H2AAAAAAAAY)

commit to attending in order to benefit from the discussions.     (1H2AAAAAAAAZ)

Nicola Guarino: @Jim: Yes, VMBO is just an informal workshop, but if you look at the organizers and     (1H2AAAAAAAAAA)

the previous attendants publications you will find a lot of interesting material....     (1H2AAAAAAAAAB)

Jim Rhyne: @Nicola - agreed, been down this path. Not planning to attend this year. How can we get     (1H2AAAAAAAAAC)

cooperation from the VMBO attendees to work on this problem?     (1H2AAAAAAAAAD)

Nicola Guarino: @Jim: I'll talk with the VMBO organizers and let you know. I'll try to involve at     (1H2AAAAAAAAAE)

least some of them (indeed I am one of them)     (1H2AAAAAAAAAF)

Rex Brooks: @Todd I sent you an email on my availability, just a heads up.     (1H2AAAAAAAAAG)

Todd Schneider: @Rex, Thanks. I'll be in touch.     (1H2AAAAAAAAAH)

David Price: @SteveRay at al : Excellent topic for the Summit!     (1H2AAAAAAAAAI)

Mike Bennett: And I hope everyone will mark their diaries for next Thursday for the first in the     (1H2AAAAAAAAAJ)

Track 2 Applications and Case Studies with Mills Davis.     (1H2AAAAAAAAAK)

Leo Obrst: Thanks, folks, goodbye!     (1H2AAAAAAAAAM)

Jim Rhyne: @Nicola - great - will follow up with you.     (1H2AAAAAAAAAN)

Mike Bennett: Thanks Peter and everyone. Looking forward to it all.     (1H2AAAAAAAAAO)

Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 11:27 am PST --     (1H2AAAAAAAAAR)

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    • (when everyone is muted) If you want to speak or have questions or remarks to make, please "raise your hand (virtually)" by click on the "hand button" (lower right) on the chat session page. You may speak when acknowledged by the speaker or the session moderator (again, press "*3" on your phone to unmute). Test your voice and introduce yourself first before proceeding with your remarks, please. (Please remember to click on the "hand button" again (to lower your hand) and press "*2" on your phone to mute yourself after you are done speaking.)     (1K4F4)
    • thanks to the folks, one can now use a jabber/xmpp client (e.g. gtalk) to join this chatroom. Just add the room as a buddy - (in our case here) ... Handy for mobile devices!     (1K4F5)
  • Please note that this session will be recorded, and the audio archive is expected to be made available as open content to our community membership and the public at-large under our prevailing open IPR policy.     (1K4J)

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