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Ontology Summit 2011: Panel Session-3 - "Applications and Case Studies - II" - Thu 2011_02_10     (1)

Summit Theme: OntologySummit2011: Making the Case for Ontology     (1A)

Session Title: Harvesting the Business Value of Ontologies - II: More Case Examples     (1B)

Session Co-chairs: Mr. MillsDavis (Project10X) & Mr. MikeBennett (Hypercube)     (1C)

Panelists:     (1D)

Abstract     (1L)

OntologySummit2011 Theme: "Making the Case for Ontology"     (1L1)

  • Track-1 Focus: "Ontology Application Framework"     (1L2)
  • Session Title: Harvesting the Business Value of Ontologies - II: More Case Examples     (1L3)

This is our 6th Ontology Summit, a joint initiative by NIST, Ontolog, NCOR, NCBO, IAOA & NCO_NITRD. The theme adopted for this Ontology Summit is: "Making the Case for Ontology."     (1L4)

This year's Ontology Summit seeks to address the need to provide concrete evidence of successful deployment of ontologies by examining several application domains for such examples, and in better articulating where different "strengths" of ontological representation are best applied. To support that, the summit also aims to classify the categories of applications where ontology has been, and could be, successfully applied; to identify distinct types of metrics that might be used in evaluating the return on investment in an ontology application (cost, capability, performance, etc.); to lay out some strategies for articulating a case for ontological applications; and to identify remaining challenges and roadblocks to a wider deployment of such applications that represent promising application areas and research challenges for the future. The findings of the summit will be documented in the form of a communiqu�� intended for public consumption.     (1L5)

The Panel Session today is organized by our Track-2 co-champions, continues from the first panel session "Ontology Applications and Use Cases" track, and will be featuring more case examples that will illustrate different ways that ontologies are being used today to deliver value in real-world applications.     (1L6)

See developing details on this Summit series of events at: OntologySummit2011 (home page for this summit)     (1L7)

Agenda     (1M)

Ontology Summit 2011 - Panel Session-3     (1M1)

  • Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call     (1M2)

Proceedings     (1N)

Please refer to the above     (1N1)

IM Chat Transcript captured during the session    (1N2)

see raw transcript here.     (1N2A)

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)     (1N2B)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.     (1N2C)

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --     (1N2D)

Welcome to the Ontology Summit 2011: Panel Session-2 - "Applications and Case Studies - II" - Thu 2011_02_10     (1N2F)

Summit Theme: Ontology Summit 2011: Making the Case for Ontology     (1N2G)

Session Title: Harvesting the Business Value of Ontologies - II: More Case Examples     (1N2H)

Session Co-chairs: Mr. Mills Davis (Project10X) & Mr. Mike Bennett (Hypercube)     (1N2I)

Panelists:     (1N2J)

Please refer to details (agenda, slides, links, protocol, ...) on the session page     (1N2Q)

anonymous morphed into Daniel Schwabe     (1N2S)

anonymous1 morphed into Terry Longstreth     (1N2T)

anonymous morphed into DaveMcComb     (1N2U)

anonymous2 morphed into Fabian Neuhaus     (1N2V)

anonymous1 morphed into Sarah Goldman     (1N2W)

anonymous1 morphed into TroyBleeker     (1N2X)

Mike Riben: anyone hearing the "echo" or distortion..I have a feeling it is a skype "feature"     (1N2Y)

Yu Lin: I am calling from phone, and I'm hearing the echo     (1N2Z)

Mike Bennett: yes. this will go away when peter mutes, so please bear with us     (1N2AA)

anonymous3 morphed into Yuriy Milov     (1N2AB)

Nicola Guarino: Yes, I am indeed hearing another conversation in background     (1N2AC)

Nicola Guarino: It is not an echo, it is another conversation going on... (this is an answer to the     (1N2AD)

question pending in the chatroom)     (1N2AE)

Hasan Sayani: yes, and distorted too!     (1N2AF)

Fabian Neuhaus: @YuLin: the echo will go away as soon as Peter mutes everybody (except for the     (1N2AG)

speaker, of course)     (1N2AH)

anonymous morphed into Ahren Lehnert     (1N2AI)

anonymous6 morphed into Sanjiva     (1N2AJ)

anonymous5 morphed into Dave Hau (NCI)     (1N2AK)

anonymous3 morphed into Susan Matney     (1N2AL)

anonymous1 morphed into Cathy Large     (1N2AM)

anonymous morphed into Mike Riben     (1N2AN)

anonymous2 morphed into Michael Uschold     (1N2AP)

anonymous morphed into Mary Balboni     (1N2AQ)

anonymous7 morphed into Carolyn Reiss     (1N2AR)

Peter P. Yim: if you have trouble downloading DaveMcComb's slides, try refreshing your wiki session page     (1N2AS)

first, and then try again     (1N2AT)

Daniel Schwabe: Question: Can Dave elaborate a bit on the use of the SMW at P&G? In what aspects did     (1N2AU)

the ontology part help, and what part does the Wiki aspect help?     (1N2AV)

Bruce Bray: any way to get these slides without having to sign up for scribd?     (1N2AX)

Mike Bennett: @Bruce you can download the slides from the session page directly.     (1N2AY)

Peter P. Yim: @Bruce - click on the [2-Hodgson] link under:     (1N2AZ)

Ralph's slides     (1N2AAB)

Michael Uschold: Ralph's slide 7. Most of these are technical items, not business value propositions     (1N2AAC)

(with exception of evolvability). What is the value of canonical data? what is value of triples? YOu     (1N2AAD)

can't call "go to triples soon" as a value proposition.     (1N2AAE)

Mike Bennett: @MichaelUschold - good point, I hope we can come to this point when do Q&As at the end,     (1N2AAF)

as we want to do justice to the different things people understand by ontology.     (1N2AAG)

Mike Bennett: Please can speakers say the slide #     (1N2AAH)

anonymous1 morphed into Jans Aasman     (1N2AAI)

anonymous2 morphed into Pavithra Kenjige     (1N2AAJ)

anonymous morphed into Craig Norvell     (1N2AAK)

Brian Haugh: Can the speaker mention any case studies of application of this architecture?     (1N2AAM)

Mike Bennett: @SanjivaNath can you cover this in Q&A at the end of the session please if not covered     (1N2AAN)

in the slides? Anonymized is fine, also some idea of metrics, benefits if measured     (1N2AAO)

Peter P. Yim: for those who are here for the first time (and did not email me, to register your     (1N2AAQ)

attendance), would you be kind enough to drop me a note (<>) so we know who you     (1N2AAR)

are, and keep you informed on upcoming events. Kindly include your affiliation(s).     (1N2AAS)

Peter P. Yim: one needs, again, to refresh your wiki session page to see JansAasman's slides     (1N2AAU)

Nicola Guarino: I have to go now, sorry I can't stay for the Q&A session...     (1N2AAW)

Peter P. Yim: thanks ... bye, Nicola!     (1N2AAX)

anonymous morphed into Cory Casanave     (1N2AAY)

Mike Bennett: Can we watch the time please, still 1 speaker to go +Q&A     (1N2AAZ)

Michael Uschold: Jans Aasman claims flexibility advantage because it would take too long to RDB     (1N2AAAA)

schema. If you are avoiding need to use schema at all, as some do, then there is no business benefit     (1N2AAAB)

for the ontology because there is no ontology, it is a benefit of triples. If you are building an     (1N2AAAC)

ontology as the schema, why are you finding it faster to build than a traditional schema?     (1N2AAAD)

Cory Casanave: Mike: The RDMS schema fixes the structure, the RDF schema does not - it represents one     (1N2AAAE)

interpretation of the data. It then also allows you to bridge schema for integration.     (1N2AAAF)

Mike Bennett: It all adds to the richness of what people mean when they say they are using     (1N2AAAG)

ontologies. I too would like to know how this relates to semantics as distinct from triples.     (1N2AAAH)

anonymous morphed into Jim Disbrow     (1N2AAAJ)

Peter P. Yim: can we do this in 10 minutes?     (1N2AAAM)

Bobbin Teegarden: @CoryCasanave: in slide 18, where are the ontologies, and how do you access them?     (1N2AAAN)

Dustin Cote: Question to DaveMcComb: Page 19 of 1st presentation, what did the "Gist 2/3" box mean     (1N2AAAP)

under the upper ontology box of "gist" ?     (1N2AAAQ)

Peter P. Yim: will everyone who wants to make a remark press on their "hand button" now ... so we can     (1N2AAAR)

queue everyone up     (1N2AAAS)

Terry Longstreth: Several presentations have confidential/proprietary markings. Can we ask the     (1N2AAAU)

authors to give us some shareable subsets or summaries of these?     (1N2AAAV)

Cory Casanave: Terry: You may reference and use our slides with attribution.     (1N2AAAW)

Peter P. Yim: (given Jans and others' situation) I have added a caveat to the normal IPR policy - see:     (1N2AAAX)

forward to an additional "non-confidential" version of the slides that Jans has just promised. I'll     (1N2AAAZ)

post that alongside, when I get that from Jans.     (1N2AAAAA)

Jans Aasman: Peter, can I have a second to point to our website? re a non-confidential version of the     (1N2AAAAB)

Amdocs slides and additional material     (1N2AAAAC)

Peter P. Yim: [this is added subsequently] I have swapped in the non-confidential version of     (1N2AAAAD)

JansAasman's slides now     (1N2AAAAE)

DaveMcComb: gist2/3 are extensions (still a bit experimental) to gist     (1N2AAAAF)

Michael Uschold: I keep hitting *3, not working     (1N2AAAAG)

Mike Bennett: that happens w skype a lot     (1N2AAAAH)

Michael Uschold: If someone can just read my question from the chat, that should be fine, if the     (1N2AAAAI)

audio is not working.     (1N2AAAAJ)

Michael Uschold: Here it is again: Jans claims flexibility advantage because it would take too long     (1N2AAAAL)

to RDB schema. If you are avoiding need to use schema at all, as some do, then there is no business     (1N2AAAAM)

benefit for the ontology because there is no ontology, it is a benefit of triples. If you are     (1N2AAAAN)

building an ontology as the schema, why are you finding it faster to build than a traditional     (1N2AAAAO)

Ralph Hodgson: would like to understand how this session has been of value     (1N2AAAAQ)

Ralph Hodgson: what are we trying to do by being in this dialog?     (1N2AAAAR)

Ralph Hodgson: Is it about getting a sense of what the industry is doing? Is it about figuring how a     (1N2AAAAS)

group like this can help the industry some how?     (1N2AAAAT)

Mike Bennett: @Ralph making the case for ontologies     (1N2AAAAU)

Bruce Bray: I agree that these are very interesting presentation, but the focus on emerging     (1N2AAAAV)

applications of technology instead of explaining the Value Proposition     (1N2AAAAW)

Peter P. Yim: @BruceBray and All - the focus on Value proposition is coming up next week - come join us     (1N2AAAAX)

next Thursday - developing details at:     (1N2AAAAY)

Mike Bennett: please feel free to type the uri here     (1N2AAAAAA)

Mike Bennett: this chat log is made public     (1N2AAAAAB)

Peter P. Yim: Jans - you might want to post your link(s) here with a note     (1N2AAAAAC)

Peter P. Yim: @Ralph - your updated slides are already online ... please check:     (1N2AAAAAD)

Bruce Bray: This was very helpful. Looking forward to further discussion of Value / ROI issues.     (1N2AAAAAG)

Peter P. Yim: That would be next Thursday - see you all then - ref. developing details at:     (1N2AAAAAH)

Peter P. Yim: bye everyone ... thanks you all for participating!     (1N2AAAAAL)

Mike Bennett: Thanks Peter, much appreciated!     (1N2AAAAAM)

Peter P. Yim: - session ended: 12:06pm PST -     (1N2AAAAAN)

-- end of in-session chat-transcript --     (1N2AAAAAO)

  • Further Question & Remarks - please post them to the [ ontology-summit ] listserv     (1N2AAAAAP)
    • all subscribers to the previous summit discussion, and all who responded to today's call will automatically be subscribed to the [ ontology-summit ] listserv     (1N2AAAAAP1)
    • if you are already subscribed, post to <ontology-summit [at]>     (1N2AAAAAP2)
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Audio Recording of this Session     (1O)

Additional Resources     (1P)

For the record ...     (1P4)

How To Join (while the session is in progress)     (1Q)

  • Shared-screen support (VNC session), if applicable, will be started 5 minutes before the call at:     (1Q4E)
    • view-only password: "ontolog"     (1Q4E1)
    • if you plan to be logging into this shared-screen option (which the speaker may be navigating), and you are not familiar with the process, please try to call in 5 minutes before the start of the session so that we can work out the connection logistics. Help on this will generally not be available once the presentation starts.     (1Q4E2)
    • people behind corporate firewalls may have difficulty accessing this. If that is the case, please download the slides above and running them locally. The speaker(s) will prompt you to advance the slides during the talk.     (1Q4E3)
  • Discussions and Q & A:     (1Q4F)
    • (Unless the conference host has already muted everyone) Please mute your phone, by pressing "*2" on your phone keypad, when a presentation is in progress. To un-mute, press "*3"     (1Q4F1)
    • You can type in your questions or comments through the browser based chat session by:     (1Q4F2)
      • instructions: once you got access to the page, click on the "settings" button, and identify yourself (by modifying the Name field). You can indicate that you want to ask a question verbally by clicking on the "hand" button, and wait for the moderator to call on you; or, type and send your question into the chat window at the bottom of the screen.     (1Q4F3A)
    • (when everyone is muted) If you want to speak or have questions or remarks to make, please "raise your hand (virtually)" by click on the "hand button" (lower right) on the chat session page. You may speak when acknowledged by the speaker or the session moderator (again, press "*3" on your phone to unmute). Test your voice and introduce yourself first before proceeding with your remarks, please. (Please remember to click on the "hand button" again (to lower your hand) and press "*2" on your phone to mute yourself after you are done speaking.)     (1Q4F4)
    • thanks to the folks, one can now use a jabber/xmpp client (e.g. gtalk) to join this chatroom. Just add the room as a buddy - (in our case here) ... Handy for mobile devices!     (1Q4F5)
  • Please note that this session will be recorded, and the audio archive is expected to be made available as open content to our community membership and the public at-large under our prevailing open IPR policy.     (1Q4J)
    • Caveat: to allow us to share, as well, the latest in commercial deployment of ontology-based technology, this session will be featured under a special waiver to our commercial vendors on the Ontolog IPR Policy. They are welcome to talk about their proprietary (non-open) technologies if they so desire (on the condition that proprietary portions of their presentation are to be specifically stated as such). However, (despite the waiver) do note that we will (as usual) be making available the entire proceedings, including all slides, recorded audio, etc., of the session to the community and the public at large from this Ontolog site.     (1Q4J1)

Attendees     (1R)

  • Expecting:     (1R2)
    • (all registered attendees were present)     (1R2A)
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