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Ontology Summit 2014 session-14: Communique Draft Review - Thu 2014-04-17

  • Summit Theme: OntologySummit2014: "Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology"
  • Session Co-chairs & Communique Co-Lead Editors: Professor Michael Grüninger & Dr. LeoObrst

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OntologySummit2014 Session-14: "OntologySummit2014_Communique: Finalization"

This is our 9th Ontology Summit, a joint initiative by Ontolog, NIST, NCOR, NCBO, IAOA & NCO_NITRD with the support of our co-sponsors.

Since the beginnings of the Semantic Web, ontologies have played key roles in the design and deployment of new semantic technologies. Yet over the years, the level of collaboration between the Semantic Web and Applied Ontology communities has been much less than expected. Within Big Data applications, ontologies appear to have had little impact.

This year's Ontology Summit is an opportunity for building bridges between the Semantic Web, Linked Data, Big Data, and Applied Ontology communities. On the one hand, the Semantic Web, Linked Data, and Big Data communities can bring a wide array of real problems (such as performance and scalability challenges and the variety problem in Big Data) and technologies (automated reasoning tools) that can make use of ontologies. On the other hand, the Applied Ontology community can bring a large body of common reusable content (ontologies) and ontological analysis techniques. Identifying and overcoming ontology engineering bottlenecks is critical for all communities.

Ontology Summit 2014 will pose and address the primary challenges in these areas of interaction among the different communities. The Summit activities will bring together insights and methods from these different communities, synthesize new insights, and disseminate knowledge across field boundaries.

At the Launch Event on 16 Jan 2014, the organizing team has provided an overview of the program, and how we will be framing the discourse - namely, to pursue that along four different content tracks that address different aspects of the issue at hand.

In today's session, our Lead Editors will be presenting an advanced draft of the Communique for review and discussion. We will attempt to finalize the document, so we can go into the OntologySummit2014_Symposium with the OntologySummit2014_Communique ready.

More details about this Ontology Summit is available at: OntologySummit2014 (homepage for this summit)

Agenda

OntologySummit2014 - Community Discussion Session-14

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IM Chat Transcript captured during the session

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-- begin in-session chat-transcript --

Chat transcript from room: summit_20140417

2014-04-17 GMT-08:00 [PDT]

[8:59] Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the

Ontology Summit 2014 session-14: Communique Draft Review - Thu 2014-04-17

Summit Theme: Ontology Summit 2014: "Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology"

Session Topic: Session Topic: OntologySummit2014_Communique Finalization

Session Co-chairs & Communique Co-Lead Editors: Professor Michael Grüninger and Dr. Leo Obrst

Agenda:

  • 2. Presentation of the latest draft of the Communique (co-lead editors: Michael Grüninger, LeoObrst)
    • snapshot of working draft before this Communique Finalization session -

http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2014/OntologySummit2014_Communique/wip/OntologySummit2014CommuniqueDraft_20140417-0900.pdf

  • 4. Summary/wrap-up/announcements

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Attendees: Leo Obrst (co-chair), Michael Grüninger (co-chair), Amanda Vizedom, Andrea Westerinen,

Bart Gajderowicz, Christi Kapp, Christoph Lange, Dalia Varanka, Dennis Wisnosky, Francesca Quattri,

Henson Graves, Jim Solderitsch, Ken Baclawski, Lamar Henderson, Michael Riben, Mike Bennett, Peter P. Yim

(scribe), Shahan Khatchadourian, Simon Spero, Steve Ray, Terry Longstreth, Tim Finin, Todd Schneider

Proceedings

[9:24] anonymous morphed into Jim Solderitsch

[9:34] anonymous morphed into Francesca Quattri

[9:35] anonymous morphed into Shahan Khatchadourian

[9:35] Shahan Khatchadourian: Hi everyone

[9:36] anonymous morphed into Dalia Varanka

[9:36] Peter P. Yim: == Michael Grüninger starts session on behalf of the co-chairs ... see prepared

material under: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_10#nid4C1E

[9:36] Michael Grüninger: Key Discussion Questions:

1. General comments on content -- missing ideas, changes in emphasis, disagreements about content

2. Editorial comments

[9:38] anonymous morphed into Simon Spero

[9:43] Amanda Vizedom: Reminder regarding making comments in the Google Doc: It helps the editors if

comments are attributed to individuals, rather than anonymous, so that they can get clarification

if needed. To make yourself non-anonymous in the Google Doc, go to the top right, to the left of

the "Comments" button, you will see a square callout button. If you hover over this, it will say "join

chat." Click this. It will open a chat window, which you can minimize. From this point, any comments

you add will be attributed to you.

[9:45] ... Peter P. Yim: @MikeBennett ... I put you on mute (since your line was generating some noise),

so please use *7 when you need to speak

[9:46] Todd Schneider: In case I have to drop off, the description of 'semantic content' is section

3, "Reuse of semantic content can be defined as the ability to include content from one source in

another, or simply to be inspired by the content in a source., is too vague and does not constrain

the interpretation 'semantic content'. What constitutes 'content'? Youtube videos? Also, there's a

forward reference to 'semantic content'.

[9:48] Amanda Vizedom: Point I just raised re section 2: In addition to Expressivity and Scalability,

we also heard multiple presentations call out the significance of Modularity. That might be worth

calling out in its own subsection.

[9:49] Todd Schneider: Why just equate 'semantic content' with ontology content?

[9:51] Mike Bennett: @Todd [09:49] or "ontological content" - I think one possible angle was the

existence of meaningful stuff in other than formally constituted FOL / OWL ontologies, I think.

[9:54] Todd Schneider: Mike Bennett, That's fine. It just needs to be described. The opening paragraph

of section 3 seems to be focused on 'ontology content'.

[9:51] Ken Baclawski: I suggest that the use cases of all of the tracks be collected together in one

place on the wiki rather than being separated by tracks.

[9:52] Ken Baclawski: Then the communique should have a reference to this wiki page.

[10:16] Peter P. Yim: @ALL (especially track champions) ... re. Ken Baclawski [9:51] [9:52], Further to

Ken's suggestion on capturing use cases ... I've created the page where track champions can start

posting Use Cases, starting with those they have come across during their summit virtual panel

session - see:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseCases_Of_AppliedOntology_In_SemanticWeb_BigData

[9:58] Simon Spero: AmandaVizdom mentioned the W3 convention of See [1].... / [1] url

[9:59] Amanda Vizedom: Thank you Simon, I hadn't identified that as a W3 convention, but that makes

sense as the source of the it. It seems to be the dominant citation mode in the SemWeb and Linked

Data communities, unless my sample is very skewed.

[10:00] Leo Obrst: @AmandaVizdom, Simon Spero: yes, this is standard for many research paper formats.

[10:02] Amanda Vizedom: Documenting by prior comment, if it useful, I'm willing to go through and

make sure that anything cited in the communique is in the community library on zotero, and/or to

group them into citable subcollections, specific to particular points in the communique for which

the availability of multiple references via a single citation would be good.

[10:03] Amanda Vizedom: "Semantic Content" > "Semantic Resources"?

[10:03] Amanda Vizedom: (for section 3)

[10:04] anonymous morphed into Lamar Henderson

[10:05] Mike Bennett: The sentence in Para 1 of Section 2 does seem to cover what we had in mind

for "semantic content" when speaking to its re-use in Section 3.

[10:07] Todd Schneider: Leo, No.

[10:08] Mike Bennett: @Amanda is what you are saying about "Semantic content" is that you interpret

the word "content" to refer to something at the instance level rather than the concepts in

ontologies?

[10:08] Todd Schneider: A resource may have 'content' which might be reused.

[10:08] Andrea Westerinen: I think that "resource" is overloaded also.

[10:09] Simon Spero: rdf:Resource

[10:09] Simon Spero: That should cover every Thing!

[10:09] Simon Spero: And "Thing!"

[10:10] Todd Schneider: Andrea, 'Resource' can have a large space of interpretations, but use of it

seems to meet the intent in the communique.

[10:10] Amanda Vizedom: @MikeBennett [10:08], yes, that may be part of it. The information things to

be enhanced or represented via ontologies, etc., rather than the ontologies, etc. themselves.

[10:12] Mike Bennett: There is one thing missing in Section 3: See @Amanda note in the doc at hh:009

04/10/14

[10:19] ... Peter P. Yim: @FrancescaQuattri ... I put you on mute (since your line was generating some

noise), so please use *7 when you need to speak

[10:20] ... Francesca Quattri: ok Peter, thanks

[10:21] Mike Bennett: I think @Amanda sums up well the point I was driving at: (can't seem to

copy-paste it)

[10:27] Mike Bennett: Further to @MikeBennett [10:21] I have written a fresh comment against 3.1.1

which I hope also captures this.

[10:22] ... Todd Schneider: Have to go. Cheers.

[10:23] ... Peter P. Yim: @ChristophLange, @HensonGraves ... I put you on mute (since your line was

generating some noise), so please use *7 when you need to speak

[10:26] Terry Longstreth: Section 3 - should discuss Sharable content as a specific subsection.

[10:28] Mike Bennett: It may also be worth calling out the distinction between re-use of ontologies

intended as industry standards, and ontologies which were built for specific applications. That is,

design for re-use versus opportunistic re-use.

[10:35] Mike Bennett: I wonder if 3.1.4 and 3.1.5 are more about actually re-using as distinct

from "why isn't there?"

[10:30] Ken Baclawski: Sections 1, 2 and 4 all end with questions, but Section 3 ends with a

subsection on advice. It might be better to put all recommendations in Section 5.

[10:32] ... Amanda Vizedom: Must leave early; apologies. Thanks, all.

[10:38] Andrea Westerinen: [action] Andrea will write up a new sub-section for Section 3 -

transitioning from problems to shareability and reuse, and then allowing a cleaner jump into best

practices. It will be emailed to the ontolog-summit mail list.

[10:46] Terry Longstreth: A question for Section 3: Are there examples of ontology usage that

illustrate the distinction between reuse and sharing of semantic content?

[10:50] Andrea Westerinen: @TerryLongstreth [10:46] Track A started with a bunch of questions.

Perhaps we should record these as well?

[10:53] Mike Bennett: My response to Christoph's question about support, was that "design" was part

of the intended thing here. Or developing.

[10:55] Mike Bennett: Hackathons: The Re-use hackathon illustrates some of the points made elsewhere

in the document.

[10:55] ... Christoph Lange: Sorry, I had dropped off the call for 2-3 minutes, back now

[10:57] Peter P. Yim: == 4. Summary/wrap-up/announcements

[10:58] Shahan Khatchadourian: Thank you all. Very interesting discussion.

[10:58] Francesca Quattri: all right. bye thanks.

[11:00] Peter P. Yim: [action] Michael Grüninger & Leo Obrst will make a post to the [ontology-summit]

list (after incorporating today's input) ... and will let people know that the deadline for comments

will be next Thursday Apr-24

[11:00] Peter P. Yim: @ALL: join us next Thursday, when we will, hopefully, be tackling "Final Symposium

preparation and logistics" - ref. developing details at:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_24 and

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014_Communique/Draft

[11:00] Peter P. Yim: @ALL: as announced earlier, by our Symposium co-chairs, Dr. Ram Sriram and

Professor Tim Finin, our Apr 28~29 Symposium (at NSF in Greater Washington DC) registration in a few days.

Please register yourself now, if you haven't already! - see:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014/WorkshopRegistration

[11:00] Peter P. Yim: Michael Grüninger & Leo Obrst: Very productive session ... thank you ALL!

[11:01] Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 11:56 am PDT --

-- end of in-session chat-transcript --

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