Ontolog Forum
[ontolog] Member Conference Call - Thu 2005-07-28
Conference Call Details
- Subject: [ontolog] member conference call Thu 2005-07-28
- Agenda Comments:
- ... build rapport; ... sync up; ... distribute, assign or arbitrate virtual ownership of tasks; ... and use it to deal with emergencies. ... plus, member suggested agenda items.
- please post any suggested agenda items to the call wiki page and upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by [[ToolsCollaboration|WebDAV] upload] prior to the meeting
- VNC session (if needed) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/
- view-only password: "ontolog"
- view-and-control pw: to be supplied during session as needed
- Wiki page for this call (i.e. this page) is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_07_28
- Date: Thursday, Jul. 28, 2005
- Start Time: 10:30 AM PDT / 1:30 PM EDT World Clock
- Expected Call Duration: 1 ~ 1.5 hour
- Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada)
- Participant Access Code: "686564#"
Attendees
- Attended:
- Peter P. Yim
- Bob Smith
- Kurt Conrad
- Monica Martin
- BillMcCarthy
- Mark Musen (first half hour only; has conflict after 11 am)
- Marc Wine
- Expecting:
- ...(add your name here)...
- Regrets:
Agenda Ideas
Agenda & Proceedings
1) Welcome & confirmation of agenda
- Kurt Conrad took the chair and welcomed everyone.
2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes
- Peter P. Yim volunteered
3) Roll-call of participants
- see above
7a) In view of the fact that Mark Musen can only be with us for the first half hour of this call, let's cover all the health-ont related items first:
- AHIC nomination - goto: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_07_28#nidEF3
- Revised Nomination Letter - goto:http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NominationToAHIC#nidDP3
- Representation at the first Federal Health IT Conference (Washington, DC - Nov. 2005) - goto: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_07_28#nidEF8
- report on the 2005.07.25 HHS/FHA meeting - goto: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_07_28#nidEFC
- 2005.08.25 Ontolog "Healthcare Informatics Landscape" discussion session - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_07_28#nidEDF
- representation and paper submission to FCW Government Health IT Conference - Nov. 17~18, 2005, Washington, D.C.
4) Upcoming meeting & event schedule (near future)
- Nominal meeting types (on a monthly basis):
- member regular meeting
- invited speaker session
- scheduled discussion
- project review
- workshop / work session
- planning
- Invited Speaker Schedule for the next 3~6 months
- August 11, 2005 - Jim Hendler from the University of Maryland will be doing a "Semantic Web Q & A" with the Ontolog community - see: ConferenceCall_2005_08_11
- Sep. 8, 2005 - Elisa Kendall - on a topic related to UML & Ontologies (proposed by: Brand Niemann / PeterYim) - confirmed
- Oct. 13 2005 - Barry Smith - confirmed (BillMcCarthy)
- Sep. 25, 2005 - Jon Bosak - on a topic related to Community Governance and the OASIS Process (proposed by: Kurt Conrad / SusanTurnbull)
- Jon Bosak of Sun on OASIS Process - suggested (KurtConrad / SusanTurnbull) at our 2005.03.03 Planning Session - Susan: the 2005.09.23 CEW on implication on governance ... would be ideal. [Kurt will follow up with Jon and Susan]
- possibility of this rolling into a joint SICoP or CEW-multiple CoP Best Practice event (suggested: Susan Turnbull / 2005.03.03)
- SusanTurnbull/2005.07.20: draft title for Sept. 23, 2005 (Friday) Collaborative Expedition Workshop is: "Governance and Procurement Readiness Challenges in Future Services Oriented Architecture: Leveraging the Data Reference Model"
- Peter P. Yim / Susan Turnbull: let's aim at doing a 2-hour joint CEW-Ontolog session on Fri 2005.09.23 1:30~3:30pm EDT / 10:30am~12:30pm PDT
- Kurt reports back after an excahnge with Jon Bosak: Jon is in Ithaca; but has a conflict on 9/23~25 and will not be available for 9/23.
- Peter: looks like we'll have to look for another opportunity to do this, then.
- Jon Bosak of Sun on OASIS Process - suggested (KurtConrad / SusanTurnbull) at our 2005.03.03 Planning Session - Susan: the 2005.09.23 CEW on implication on governance ... would be ideal. [Kurt will follow up with Jon and Susan]
- Candidate Nov. 2005 session(s) and beyond -
- John Sowa (suggested by BillMcCarthy)
- Doug Lenat on the Cyc project (suggested by PeterYim)
- Nicola Guarino on DOLCE, possibly also Bill Andersen or Chris Welty (suggested by Peter P. Yim & PatCassidy)
- LarryReeker of NIST (suggested by SusanTurnbull)
- SimonBuckinghamShum of the Compendium Institute ( ? ; ref. post from ScottLHolmes & PeterYim's reponse)
- Jim Spohrer from IBM Almaden Services Research (further to the 2005.06.30 discussion)
- other suggestions:
- Monica: suggest inviting someone from the [regrep] group
- Rex suggsted we should also invite UDDI and XMDR people, and possibly to have all three parties (regrep, uddi & xmdr) on a panel
- Rex suggestion: Professor Asuman Dogac from Middle East Technical University (Ankhara, Turkey) on Healthcare Ontologies in ebXML Web Services under their Artemis Project
- Professor Dogac's work has also been previous recommended by Brand Niemann - see: http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ExpeditionWorkshop/TowardCoherenceInKnowledgeThroughAllThingsOntological_MakingSenseTogether_2004_12_09#nid6NZ
- Peter also suggested that we should invite Dieter Fensel to talk to us some time
- Rex / Peter: XMDR - Bruce Bargmeyer or someone from his XMDR team
- Peter P. Yim / Elisa Kendall: Pat Hayes, DeborahMcGuinness
- Scheduled Discussions for the next 2 months
- David Whitten: maybe we should designate a moderator, and then coordinate the event from there, in a fashion similar to speaker events.
- August 25, 2005 discussion session - moderator: Rex Brooks - subject: Healthcare Informatics
- candidate panelists: Bob Smith, Mark Musen, Marc Wine, David Whitten, Chris Chute, ... people from within and without the community
- Rex and Bob will have a phone conference to work out some of the details
- Peter to set up a skeleton session page, Rex will fill in the content - done, see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_08_25
- more work/discussion on OWL
- Adam: need OWL & SWRL for OWL ontologies to really be useful
- Nicolas Rouquette -- topics lined up?
- a panel with speaker representating: SUMO, OpenCyc Upper Ontology, DOLCE, ... (suggested by PeterYim)
- possibly teaming up with SICoP and their CUO-WG; after independent sessions on Cyc and DOLCE
- Rex: possibility of working with Duane on a follow-up to the last SOA discussion
- WSMO (Web Service Modeling Ontology), and possibly also, SWSF (Semantic Web Services Framework) - as proposed by Duane Nickull / Nicolas Rouquette / Peter Brown - ref. thread that started with http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2005-06/msg00017.html
- candidate panelists:
- John Domingue of the Knowledge Media Institute at the Open University in the UK, who presented in Innsbruck - suggested by Peter Brown - http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2005-06/msg00039.html
- reference: John Domingue's slides from the presentation at the recent W3C workshop on frameworks for semantics in web services, available at: http://www.w3.org/2005/04/FSWS/Submissions/1/wsmo_v10.pdf
- WSMO WG website - http://www.wsmo.org
- SDK cluster - 3 fairly large EU-based project
- currently lots of funding in Europe for semantic web work (and funding in US has just ended), therefore expecting new work to come from Europe
- three different viewpoints now - OWL/S, SWSI - FLOWS, and WSMO viewpoints - probably a bit early to talk about standardization
- let's work with John Domingue toward a Oct 2005 panel discussion, with the 3 above viewpoints represented
- John: will do ... but don't expect consensus at the end of the session ... (we understand)
- ref. our 2005.06.30 discussion session, Michael Grüninger (who has been working on FLOWS and SWSF) indicated that this will be a session he will like to participate in too.
- suggest Nicolas Rouquette to be our moderator for this session
- candidate panelists:
- Rex suggsted we should also invite UDDI and XMDR people, and possibly to have all three parties (regrep, uddi & xmdr) on a panel
- we will not schedule a technical discussion in Sep. 2005
- candidates for November, 2005
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- Rex: propose "Emergency Response"
- Kurt: we should revisit "CCTS ontology" for Nov. (even Sep.) - we'll talk to Duane again if he shows up next week; if he doesn't Kurt, will ping Duane.
- Anders: we should have a "Tools / Testing" discussion
- Kurt: "on metamodels, idependent of the representation" (at a level that allows us to avoid the language war)
- Bob: as a segway into things like pi-calculus, tec.
- New suggestion:
- Peter P. Yim: "moving from data-model-driven to semantic-model-driven eBusiness standards"
- candidate panelists: Bruce Bargmeyer, Elisa Kendall, Adam Pease, Mike Daconta, Jim Hendler, Steve Ray (moderator?)
- maybe a joint SICoP-Ontolog event, as part of another Collaborative Expedition Workshop?
- Peter P. Yim: "moving from data-model-driven to semantic-model-driven eBusiness standards"
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- Upcoming Events of interest
- Aug. 16, 12005 - Collaborative Expedition Woirkshop #43 (NSF)
- Sep. 14, 2005 - 2nd DRM Public Forum (Washington DC) (Rex, Peter)
- Sep. 12~16, 2005 - UN/CEFACT Forum - (Lyon, France) (Anders, Bill, Duane)
5) Communications, logistics, & work protocols issues
6) Follow-ups from previous calls
- call/meeting to be scheduled with UN/CEFACT-CCTS WG to review Ontolog's comments [attn: Duane Nickull - ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_03_10#nid5JB]
- possible meeting/call to follow-up with UDEF folks to review Ontolog's comments (suggested by MikeDaconta) [attn: DuaneNickull]
- Bob and Nicolas will work on the ontological lessons learned in our exercise on RegularConferenceCall scheduling
- Bob Smith: how about the DRM and its Data Sharing Toolkit and associated processes? (as presented at the Collaborative Expedition Workshoon 2005.07.19)
- ref: http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ExpeditionWorkshop/DesigningTheDRM_DataVisibility_2005_07_19#nid2TQP
- look to Act-II from Mike Daconta / Brand Niemann - scheduled for CEW#43 2005.08.16
7) Current Project Status Report
- Status CCT-Representation and UBL-Ontology project work - item skipped
- Requirements issues (ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseCases)
- Formalization issues
- UBL Liaison update
- [CCT-Rep] status report
- Status of Protege-KIF project work
- status of NHIN-RFI & Health-Ont project work
- AHIC Nomination
- Aug. 5, 2005 deadline to submit a one pager.
- Bob Smith will draft what we plan to submit and post for community review
- see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NominationToAHIC#nidDP3
- if no additional comments, that will get submitted
- representation and paper submission to FCW Government Health IT Conference - Nov. 17~18, 2005, Washington, D.C.
- see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/health-ont/2005-07/msg00001.html
- deadline for abstract submission is Mon 2005.08.08
- Bob will start a thread on this on the [health-ont] forum
- UBL liaison report
- SICoP liaison report
- report on the Marc Wine, Brand Niemann, Susan Turnbull & Peter P. Yim meeting with HHS/FHA on 2005.07.25
- status report from Planning team
- there won't be a planning session after this call
8) project work session / discussion
- VistA-Ontolog collaboration potential:
- Open Source set-aside contract (1 of 6) - ref RexBrook's post: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2005-07/msg00006.html
- we'll hope to get some progress in Rex's discussion session in Aug. 25, 2005
- turns out OpenVistA foun dout about this too late to submit any proposal
9) New project proposals
- topic map of interest; scheduling conflicts; ... etc.
- Nicolas: complementary activities between Ontolog and SICoP
- Bob: we could bring this up at our planning session
- potential new project with Nicolas, Bob and Kurt leading
- See: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologDiscussion/TaggingForumForMatchingInterestsWithinCompatibleSchedule
- Nicolas: complementary activities between Ontolog and SICoP
10) Sponsorship and funding
11) Other business
- Monica: OASIS-ebBP ebXML BPSS v2.0.1 will be going into community shortly (as part of the OASIS 60-day public review process), comments solicted
12) Next meeting date and adjourn
- call adjourned 10:30 am PDT
- next call will be on Thu 2005.08.04 starting at 10:30 am PDT
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minutes captured in real time on this wiki by Peter P. Yim
ppy / 2005.07.28 11:38 am PDT