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Ontology Summit 2011: Panel Session-10 - "Communique draft review session" - Thu 2011_04_07     (1)

Summit Theme: OntologySummit2011: Making the Case for Ontology     (1A)

Session Title: Communique draft review     (1B)

Session Chair: Dr. MichaelUschold     (1C)

Communique Co-Lead Editors: Dr. Michael Uschold, Dr. John F. Sowa, Mr. Mills Davis & Professor JohnBateman     (1D)

Contributing co-editors: All Co-chairs & Track Champions     (1E)

Today's Panelists: Communique co-Lead Editors     (1F)

Abstract     (1H)

OntologySummit2011 Theme: "Making the Case for Ontology"     (1H1)

This is our 6th Ontology Summit, a joint initiative by NIST, Ontolog, NCOR, NCBO, IAOA & NCO_NITRD. The theme adopted for this Ontology Summit is: "Making the Case for Ontology."     (1H3)

This year's Ontology Summit seeks to address the need to provide concrete evidence of successful deployment of ontologies by examining several application domains for such examples, and in better articulating where different "strengths" of ontological representation are best applied. To support that, the summit also aims to classify the categories of applications where ontology has been, and could be, successfully applied; to identify distinct types of metrics that might be used in evaluating the return on investment in an ontology application (cost, capability, performance, etc.); to lay out some strategies for articulating a case for ontological applications; and to identify remaining challenges and roadblocks to a wider deployment of such applications that represent promising application areas and research challenges for the future. The findings of the summit will be documented in the form of a communiqu�� intended for public consumption.     (1H4)

In this Communique draft review session today, we will take a look at a rough draft that John Bateman has put together, basing partly on the writing segments that various tracks have contributed. The chair, Michael Uschold, will summarize the approach that the co-lead editing team is planning to proceed with, based on their meeting earlier this week, discuss some key ideas (which they have captured during their meeting) and pose some questions for discussion. John F. Sowa and Mills Davis, who is writing the opening, and the ending of the Communique will also be taking a few minutes each to summarize their parts. The goal of this session is to allow all of us to do a status check on the progress of Communique writing, and sync up on a plan for moving forward so we can have a fairly advanced draft by the time of the Symposium (Apr-18 & 19).     (1H5)

See developing details on this Summit series of events at: OntologySummit2011 (home page for this summit)     (1H6)

Agenda     (1I)

Ontology Summit 2011 - Panel Session-10     (1I1)

  • Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call     (1I2)

Proceedings     (1J)

Please refer to the above     (1J1)

IM Chat Transcript captured during the session    (1J2)

see raw transcript here.     (1J2A)

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)     (1J2B)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.     (1J2C)

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --     (1J2D)

Ontology Summit 2011: Panel Session-10 - "Communique draft review session" - Thu 2011_04_07     (1J2F)

Summit Theme: Ontology Summit 2011: Making the Case for Ontology     (1J2G)

Session Title: Communique draft review     (1J2H)

Session Chair: Dr. Michael Uschold     (1J2I)

Communique Co-Lead Editors: Dr. Michael Uschold, Dr. John F. Sowa, Mr. Mills Davis & Professor John Bateman     (1J2J)

Contributing co-editors: All Co-chairs & Track Champions     (1J2K)

please refer to details on the session page at:     (1J2L)

anonymous morphed into Kurt Conrad     (1J2N)

anonymous morphed into Fabian Neuhaus     (1J2O)

Todd Schneider: Here's a revision to Ali's suggestion.     (1J2P)

Todd Schneider: Every person, organization or system has an ontology: the things presumed to exist in     (1J2Q)

the world and how they behave. Interactions with the world are based on these internal ontologies.     (1J2R)

Indeed, these ontologies pervade and underpin our deliberations, inform our decisions and guide our     (1J2S)

In large socio-technical systems, such as companies or organizations, each person, each     (1J2U)

technological artefact and system carries with it a view of the world relevant to its     (1J2V)

responsibilities in this context. Operations and interactions in such environments entails     (1J2W)

reconciling and streamlining these multiple sometimes conflicting and often tacit ontologies.     (1J2X)

Growing complexity and a need for smarter use of resources and solutions that cut across silos,     (1J2Y)

means that it has become ever important to make explicit these implicit ontologies thereby easing     (1J2Z)

interoperability and improving operational effectiveness.     (1J2AA)

Concurrently, advances in computing, networking technologies and the Internet means that it is     (1J2AB)

possible to effectively use ontologies to address the increasing array of socio-technical problems.     (1J2AC)

Moreover, in recent years, we have witnessed the increased maturation and transition of ontology from     (1J2AD)

academia to industry and government. The time is ripe to know what you know and share it with others.     (1J2AE)

anonymous morphed into Nicola Guarino     (1J2AF)

Nicola Guarino: implicit ontology -> conceptualization     (1J2AG)

anonymous morphed into Ali Hashemi     (1J2AH)

Ali Hashemi: +1 to Nicola's suggestion     (1J2AJ)

Ali Hashemi: I think we can also emphasize the paragraph on "Growing complexity" further as well.     (1J2AK)

Ali Hashemi: it is a natural extension of the increased dependencies on so many people and     (1J2AL)

organizations on networked and federated communication and work.     (1J2AM)

Mike Bennett: I think Nicola has clarified what I meant about systems having an [implicit] ontology.     (1J2AN)

Todd Schneider: Ali, that notion is sometimes referred to as 'net-centricity'.     (1J2AO)

Todd Schneider: There are many types of networks, not all technological.     (1J2AP)

Ali Hashemi: Todd, thanks for the clarification. Given that then - does it make sense to add and     (1J2AQ)

elaborate on that angle in that paragraph     (1J2AR)

anonymous morphed into Pavithra Kenjige     (1J2AS)

Todd Schneider: Mike Bennett, in fact Ali's original terminology is more accurate. But the     (1J2AT)

introduction to the communique needs to be more general and the notion of 'conceptualization' is     (1J2AU)

Todd Schneider: Ali, not sure. There are volumes on net-centricity, but I usually am involved only     (1J2AW)

with interoperability issues.     (1J2AX)

Todd Schneider: Ali, for more on net-centricity and interoperability see the materials at     (1J2AY)

Ali Hashemi: What I mean to suggest is that part of the problem (and solution) in the growing     (1J2AAA)

complexity is this net-centricity(?) of many people and organizations --> further highlighting the     (1J2AAB)

growing importance of ontological solutions     (1J2AAC)

Todd Schneider: Ali, yes. The internet and information systems have greatly added to the number of     (1J2AAD)

interactions among people and systems, hence the increase in complexity (in addition to the number     (1J2AAE)

of people available to participate).     (1J2AAF)

Ali Hashemi: Peirce: "Find a scientific man who proposes to get along without any metaphysics... and     (1J2AAG)

you have found one whose doctrines are thoroughly vitiated by the crude and uncriticized metaphysics     (1J2AAH)

with which they are packed" (CP 1.129).     (1J2AAI)

Todd Schneider: Rex, could you send me the latest version of the "Use Case Matrix" compilation? Or     (1J2AAJ)

just post it in the chat?     (1J2AAK)

Rex Brooks: Okay [subsequently added] - the latest version of it is at:     (1J2AAL)

aseMatrix.pdf     (1J2AAN)

Rex Brooks: @Todd: I will send a snapshot of it as an attachment to the [ontology-summit] list too.     (1J2AAO)

anonymous morphed into James Davenport     (1J2AAP)

Peter P. Yim: For those who joined us late ... we are viewing the Communique draft together - try     (1J2AAQ)

opening up [3-snapshot] (local on your desktop) or [4-wip] (shared google-doc) - under:     (1J2AAR)

Ramdsriram: I need to log off to attend a meeting scheduled to address likely scenarios for next     (1J2AAT)

week. Not sure whether this is relevant to the communique, but we may want to discuss some action     (1J2AAU)

items for the future, i.e., what needs to be done to make ontology use more pervasive.     (1J2AAV)

Mike Bennett: Re Ontologies save lives: there was a case study at SemTech 2010 from the Amsterdam     (1J2AAW)

Fire Brigade, using ontology mash-up with maps, to get to fire scenes.     (1J2AAX)

Rex Brooks: How about "de facto" ontologies, where they more or less "accidentally" happen to be in     (1J2AAY)

force save lives?     (1J2AAZ)

Bruce Bray: In healthcare, ontologies are especially valuable for interoperability/integration and     (1J2AAAA)

representing knowledge explicitly. I don't think we have any evidence that we save lives directly     (1J2AAAB)

with ontologies, but of course hope they will contribute to improved health care in a meaningful and     (1J2AAAC)

measurable way.     (1J2AAAD)

Rex Brooks: I can add a bunch of examples from Haiti and other emergency management situations     (1J2AAAE)

similar to what Steve noted and in the standards I work on with others in OASIS which translate into     (1J2AAAF)

operations across the domain of emergency management.     (1J2AAAG)

Todd Schneider: @MichaelUschold, Mike Dean and BBN has such an example. It was presented at SemTech a     (1J2AAAH)

couple of years ago.     (1J2AAAI)

Ali Hashemi: Re what Mike Uschold is currently saying -- I think it can be useful to define a semantic     (1J2AAAJ)

technology path, where a taxonomy or a terminology are landmarks, according to the organization /     (1J2AAAK)

tasks needs -- as a takeaway     (1J2AAAL)

Ali Hashemi: It could be useful to situate ontology within the context of an ecosystem of solutions     (1J2AAAM)

Todd Schneider: Ali, are you suggesting an ontology of information systems?     (1J2AAAN)

Ali Hashemi: No sorry. What I am suggesting is that it important that one of the take aways be that     (1J2AAAO)

an ontology is an integral component in any semantic technology solution to a problem.     (1J2AAAP)

Steve Ray: Michael Uschold, has the editing team reached a position with respect to the notion of the     (1J2AAAQ)

communique serving as a toolkit for an ontologist trying to make the case? That aspect seems to be     (1J2AAAR)

less evident now.     (1J2AAAS)

Ali Hashemi: It really makes the most sense as something that ameliorates existing solution     (1J2AAAT)

approaches.     (1J2AAAU)

Ali Hashemi: (from selling a business solution - tying it to things that are known)     (1J2AAAV)

Ali Hashemi: So it's not a wholly new technology that is unclear how it fits with your current     (1J2AAAW)

business. But it is a natural extension of applying semantic technologies to your organization.     (1J2AAAX)

Ali Hashemi: The intent of what I was saying is to make it seem less "foreign" to people already     (1J2AAAY)

engaged in similar problems. It isn't a competing technology, but in the environment of semantic     (1J2AAAZ)

technologies -- if you already have a terminology, a taxonomy, or a data dictionary, then a natural     (1J2AAAAA)

extension is ontology. That's taking it to the "next level"     (1J2AAAAB)

Alden Dima: @Ali - re situating an ontology with the context of an ecosystem of solutions - I think     (1J2AAAAC)

that many will be confused by the distinction between an ontology and a model. I found this     (1J2AAAAD)

interesting presentation which draws a distinction between the two: "Models versus Ontologies -     (1J2AAAAE)

What's the Difference and where does it Matter?"     (1J2AAAAF)

Mike Bennett: @Alden good paper, but what the author means by a "model" is a "Logical Data Model"     (1J2AAAAH)

(except near the end).     (1J2AAAAI)

Nicola Guarino: @AldenDima: There are many kind of models. For instance, system engineers and     (1J2AAAAJ)

physicists are used to simulation models, which allow one to make preditions about a system's     (1J2AAAAK)

behavior. Ontologies are *reference* models, which help to clarify the intended meaning of the     (1J2AAAAL)

symbols adopted.     (1J2AAAAM)

Rex Brooks: What Todd is asking about is important. A toolkit needs to have the ability to be adapted     (1J2AAAAN)

to different markets or problems. So it should be made clear that the example used is just one for     (1J2AAAAO)

its market/problem.     (1J2AAAAP)

John Bateman: Maybe we *should* write a book!     (1J2AAAAQ)

John Bateman: @RexBrooks: there should be several examples, and the ODF should indicate how to select     (1J2AAAAR)

among examples I guess.     (1J2AAAAS)

Rex Brooks: We could sponsor the writing of a book, but we don't have time to do that even with "many     (1J2AAAAT)

hands" making "small work."     (1J2AAAAU)

Rex Brooks: @JohnBateman: Yes, definitely. I'm working on compiling the Case Studies and Use Cases     (1J2AAAAV)

Steve Ray: Could we perhaps make the linkages between the examples, and the relevant value metrics     (1J2AAAAX)

that are improved? This would help an ontologist know which metrics to highlight, by finding similar     (1J2AAAAY)

use cases to the one they are advocating.     (1J2AAAAZ)

Steve Ray: Check out what is essentially an ontology related to Silicon Valley startups in today's     (1J2AAAAAA)

Michael Uschold: how about presenting the Communique as a FAQ     (1J2AAAAAC)

Rex Brooks: I think a FAQ is BAD idea!     (1J2AAAAAD)

Nicola Guarino: I think a text is still essential, definitely     (1J2AAAAAE)

Matthew West: I think it is not a good idea. Augment with FAQ     (1J2AAAAAF)

John Bateman: FAQ only as supportive material definitely.     (1J2AAAAAG)

Peter P. Yim: as requested by MichAelUschold, a FAQ page is already available (awaiting anyone to     (1J2AAAAAI)

Nicola Guarino: We already discussed this point. A text plus slides, faqs, links, whatever     (1J2AAAAAK)

Rex Brooks: A wiki page is good as an adjunct. But a FAQ is associated with bad documentation.     (1J2AAAAAL)

Leo Obrst: I think the OOR intends to have ontology metadata that can also include ontology use     (1J2AAAAAM)

cases, etc., and have that accessible via services, SPARQL, etc.     (1J2AAAAAN)

John Bateman: @LeoObrst: this kind of links back with OMV, right? which we were also thinking of     (1J2AAAAAO)

referencing here in combination with the ODF but that is not in the doc at present: link:     (1J2AAAAAP)

Leo Obrst: @JohnBateman: Yes, that is correct. We are using OMV, but will extend it if necessary. You     (1J2AAAAAR)

might also want to reference the OOR page:     (1J2AAAAAS)

John Bateman: @LeoObrst: yes, definitely, I believe and agree this should be an important OOR feature     (1J2AAAAAU)

and we should reference that...     (1J2AAAAAV)

Leo Obrst: @JohnBateman: there is more at:     (1J2AAAAAW)

John Bateman: @LeoObrst: got it!     (1J2AAAAAZ)

Todd Schneider: Have to go. Good luck editors.     (1J2AAAAAAA)

Rex Brooks: What is the conclusion of the communique going to be?     (1J2AAAAAAB)

Matthew West: I'm going to have to leave now. I think the direction is all looking very promising. I     (1J2AAAAAAC)

think we should let you (the lead editors) get on with it, but feel free to use crowd sourcing where     (1J2AAAAAAD)

you need help     (1J2AAAAAAE)

Todd Schneider: First task - finish an outline everyone can agree to.     (1J2AAAAAAF)

Rex Brooks: Are we going to say "Go Forth and Multiply Relevant Ontologies?"     (1J2AAAAAAG)

Mike Bennett: Go forth and integrate?     (1J2AAAAAAH)

Nicola Guarino: @MikeBennett: +1     (1J2AAAAAAJ)

Mike Bennett: Did I still need to try and go through the Case Study examples and link the high level     (1J2AAAAAAK)

things we reported, to the individual case studies, or is this superseded by the cross referencing     (1J2AAAAAAL)

being talked about now?     (1J2AAAAAAM)

Ali Hashemi: I've gotta run. Thanks.     (1J2AAAAAAN)

Peter P. Yim: Thanks, Ali ... glad you could come     (1J2AAAAAAO)

Mike Bennett: I can trace name of the Case Study presentation title to the company     (1J2AAAAAAP)

Mike Bennett: Originally each case study had company and presentation name, Rex is citing case study     (1J2AAAAAAQ)

name, which has a 1:1 with the company / presenter so that's easy     (1J2AAAAAAR)

Nicola Guarino: Ciao Ali     (1J2AAAAAAS)

Peter P. Yim: Michael Uschold confirms: I'll get a next draft out end-of-day next Wednesday (Apr-13)     (1J2AAAAAAT)

Peter P. Yim: At our next Thursday session, we will carve out a ~30 min. slot for another status review     (1J2AAAAAAU)

on the Communique     (1J2AAAAAAV)

Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 10:43am PDT --     (1J2AAAAAAW)

-- end of in-session chat-transcript --     (1J2AAAAAAX)

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