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[ontolog] Member Conference Call - Thu 2006-08-31

Conference Call Details

  • Subject: [ontolog] member conference call Thu 2006-08-31
  • Date: Thursday, Aug. 31, 2006
  • Start Time: 17:30 UTC / 1:30 PM EDT / 10:30 AM PDT / 6:30pm BST World Clock
  • Expected Call Duration: ~1.5 hour
  • Dial-in Number: 1-641-696-6600 (Iowa)
  • Participant Access Code: "686564#"
  • Agenda Comments:
    • a key agenda item for this call will be to tie down the plans for a mini-series on "Database and Ontologies."
    • please post any suggested agenda items (under "Agenda Ideas" below) to the call wiki page and upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by [[ToolsCollaboration|WebDAV] upload] prior to the meeting
    • VNC session (if needed) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/
      • view-only password: "ontolog"
      • view-and-control pw: to be supplied during session as needed
    • Wiki page for this call (i.e. this page) is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_08_31

Attendees

Agenda Ideas (candidate items to be adopted into the agenda for discussion)

  • The key agenda item for this call will be to tie down the plans for a mini-series on "Database and Ontologies." Again, do attend if you care about, or want to influence, the outcome.
  • See: DatabaseAndOntology for more details
  • ...(add suggested items here)...

Agenda & Proceedings

1) Welcome & confirmation of agenda

2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes

3) Roll-call of participants

4) Upcoming meeting & event schedule (near future)

  • Scheduled Ontolog Events:
    • Thu 2006.09.14 - Alan Rector - "Terminologies and Ontologies: What are they for? What would it mean to QA an ontology?" - see: ConferenceCall_2006_09_14
    • Thu 2006.11.30 - Co-Moderator: Duane Nickull & Kurt Conrad - "Ontology Applications & Implementations Panel Discussion - Take-II" - see: ConferenceCall_2006_11_30/Prep
    • Ontology Applications in Emergency Response Panel Discussion - Organizers (Moderator): Rex Brooks & Bob Smith - rescheduled; new date to be confirmed

5) Communications, logistics, & work protocols issues - items 6, 7, 9, 10 & 11 were skipped ... focused our discussion at this call on item 8 below.

6) Follow-ups from previous calls

  • (from our 2006.08.03 call) - Rex to be posting the notes from the interactive portion of the 2006.07.23 workshop over the coming weekend.
  • postmortem of the "Ontologizing the Ontolog Body of Knowledge" series of events - ref: Ontologizing Ontolog
    • what was good about it
    • what can be improved
      • Peter: still hope we can have more projects going
    • follow-up plan and action
      • will schedule this for some other time
    • discussion
  • Engaging UN/CEFACT
    • Kurt: suggest we schedule a UN/CEFACT-ONTOLOG joint teleconference (hopefully on a Thursday) so that we can do a focused discussion
  • Should we have a joint presence at OIS2006? - OIS2006: 1st International Workshop on Ontologizing Industrial Standards
    • this is exactly what we said we'll strive to do on our charter! - ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidB
    • November 6-9, 2006 - Tucson, Arizona, USA - colocated with the 25th International Conference on Conceptual Modeling (ER2006)
    • we should at least make Ontolog's presence known
    • Let's ping York Sure (who's on their program committee) about it when he speaks on 8/17 -- we seem to have missed that (no one seems to have brought this up at the York Sure session)

7) Current Project Status Report

  • Status CctRepresentation and UblOntology project work
    • Steve: some people (like EvanWallace) at NIST are working on ebXML and use of ebXML registry, they would be interested in what has been done
  • status of NHIN-RFI & Health-Ont project work
  • UBL liaison report
  • SICoP liaison report
  • ONTAC liaison report
  • CUO-WG liaison report
  • NCOR relationship
  • NIST Collaboration

8) Key Issues discussion:

  • Goals: what do we want to see at the end of this series?
    • Adrian: a plan or roadmap, like what w3c would do, on how database and ontologies can fit together
      • use cases too
      • HCI (human computer interface) aspects of database and ontologies
    • Matthew: use of ontology in the database design process ... or, understanding how ontology could inform the database design process
      • Reference data as well
    • Susie: using ontologies in databases; architecting to produce what makes sense
    • Peter: produce a body of knowledge to help database professionals embrace ontologies
    • Bill: a series of activities
    • Marcel: interested in the issue of using other people's database, and how to correctly relay the semantics ... reengineering semantics in the data ... intended vs. actual (ontology)
    • Jeff: Problems and opportunities in tying together software tools.

This might include an HCI front end, a knowledge engine, and a database backend to create ontologies requiring large scale storage. Included in this subject is the selection of a database (RDMS, O-O, XML, RDF, and hybrid). Also included are the logics required to blend ontologies with database backends. (--updated input from Jeff)

  • The Plan:-
    • Mission: Making More out of Ontologies and Database Together
      • Adrian: how about getting the word 'Logic' in there
    • Deliverables:
    • The Team / Leadership:
      • The initial team: Matthew (lead), Susie, Tatiana, Attila, Adrian, Peter, Leo, Chris Partridge (engineering and reuse)
        • Adrian: lead candidates - Matthew: first choice, Leo: 2nd choice
        • Steve: will ask around NIST, but will probably be focused on the other series (OntologyMeasurementEvaluation)
    • Timeline / Major Milestones:
    • Resources:
    • Synergies with other Ontolog initiatives:
      • fitting with other Ontolog series and projects
    • Synergies with other collegial community initiatives:
    • Remarks:

"The status quo, and what are the issues & pain points" (... need suggestion on WHO this could be!)

      • (b) A panel discussion on applications and use case examples
      • (c) possibly some invited expert speakers (in between the

discussion sessions), addressing specific issue(s) or subject(s) of great interest within this or this-and-related domain(s). [For this session, suggest we partially waive our open IPR policy, so that we can see some proprietary applications as well, if we can get the right people to present them.]

      • (d) A panel discussion on tools -- what's available, what's on

the horizon, ...etc. [For this session, suggest we partially waive our open IPR policy, so that we can see some proprietary tools as well, if we can get the right people to present them.]

      • (e) "What's Next, and What can we do as a community" that could

be of mutual interest and benefit? -- discussion on possible community projects, team-ups, ... future pursuits, suggested research problems, ... etc.

    • 3. We openly discuss, make suggestions (say for speakers we'd

love to hear from, products we want to look into, applications of interest, ... etc.) over this forum (asynchronously) over the next couple of weeks.

    • 4. We then get together (synchronously) on Thu 2006.08.31 at one

of the regular Ontolog weekly calls, and try to consolidate the plan and tie everything down.

  • Next Steps:
    • Matthew and Peter will try to do a synthesis (offline) on today's proceedings and report back to the team, with suggestions on the next step.
      • (Matthew will be on holiday starting this Saturday, for a fortnight)
    • in the meantime, everyone is requested to provide input via the [ontolog-forum] listserv, and/or post to the DatabaseAndOntology page or sub-page(s), as to how we can make this into a good program.

9) New project proposals

10) Sponsorship and funding

11) Other business

12) Next meeting date and adjourn

  • Our next meeting/call will be next Thu 2006.09.07
  • this call adjourned 11:33 am PDT

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minutes captured in real time on this wiki by Peter P. Yim / 2006.08.31-11:38am PDT

Attendees are requested to review the notes above, help clean it up, and make amendments and edits to better

reflect the proceedings of the session as they see fit (particularly where they are personally involved). =ppy



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