Ontolog Forum
| Number | 67 |
|---|---|
| Duration | 1 hour |
| Date/Time | June 3 2019 18:00 GMT |
| 11:00 PDT/2:00pm EDT | |
| 7:00pm BST/8:00pm CEST | |
| Convener | Mike Bennett |
IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology (SWAO) SIG
Meetings are normally on the first Monday of the month at these times. The meeting this month is an exception.
- We will use GoToMeeting for this meeting - details at Connection Details
Agenda
1. Housekeeping
2. Events
- Financial Ontology Workshop in Summer 2019
- Shared events calendar - 2019 events
3. Discussion of new initiatives
- NEW SWAO Resource on TLO and Ontological Commitment considerations (see January and March proceedings)
- Bridging the gap between AO and SemWeb
- Definitions of ontology and related terms – IAOA glossary
- Blogging
- Networking
- Liaison with other bodies (IOF etc.)
4. AOB
- Do we still need this group?
5. Next Meeting
Proceedings
MikeBennett: We are seeing the term Knowledge Graphs in place of Semantic Web.
MikeBennett: This only talks to a sub-set of what ontology is about.
MikeBennett: But the SW in SWAO would really be KGAO?
MikeBennett: But is there more we can do that could be done? If so, do we change our name or drop this thing.
MikeBennett: MB has done the 2019 spreadsheet that we planned to have shared with SWAO and IAOA. It is a super-set of what IAOA has.
MikeBennett: There were not really any finance industry things in this year's spreadsheet.
Ken Baclawski: If you ask for "Knowledge Graph" in Wikipedia, it redirects to "Ontology (information science)" so it appears that "knowledge graph" is synonymous with "ontology" at least to some people.
MikeBennett: If the IAOA creates a new SIG for Industry, we should merge this SWAO with that.
MikeBennett: In fact KG embraces a broader range of things e.g. property graphs. RDF graphs are a kind of this.
MikeBennett: Should any of be updating the Wikipedia article.
MikeBennett: KB is an editor. So possibly is MB.
MikeBennett: So we could.
MikeBennett: Suggestion: Update the above wiki page to reflect that knowledge Graphs are not simply synonymous with 'ontology' in any one sense, including the SemWeb sense.
MikeBennett: There are also criticisms of the 'Semantic Web' page. 'Skeptical reactions'. By someone.
MikeBennett: OWL was developed as an application language for Semantic Web, rather than for ontology modeling more broadly, even though MB and others have tried to use it for that.
MikeBennett: You can use OWL for real world truth-makers but this is not often done since OWL is more about the data. Lack of sufficient formal distinctions between these concerns.
MikeBennett: So the the question...
MikeBennett: Do we still need to meet to talk about these things?
MikeBennett: 2 questions:
MikeBennett: 1. Whether the group continues to exist?
MikeBennett: 2. Whether we meet once a month to have these kind of conversations
MikeBennett: KB: Can no logner exist but still meet once a month (as what?)
MikeBennett: MB: Can continue to exist but not meet once a month (carry on with wiki posts etc.)
MikeBennett: KB: For example we can talk about edits to make on wikipedia pages.
MikeBennett: KB would prefer to have people to review suggested wiki edits.
MikeBennett: Middle ground: meet when there is an agenda item to cover e.g. for wiki edits.
MikeBennett: Proposal: Meet once a month anyway, chat briefly if there is no specific agenda item to cover that week.
MikeBennett: MB to shorten the Agenda text on the SWAO wiki to flag up whatever we would talk about.
MikeBennett: We remain the only active IAOA SIG, though Education SIG may restart soon.
MikeBennett: Noise on Ontolog Forum re Maria Keet's book. Seems to be some strong views on there.
MikeBennett: So we can also monitor active controversies on the Ontolog Forum.
MikeBennett: Finance Workshop
MikeBennett: Assumed this was to be a JOWO workshop, once it was decided not to have it at North Eastern. Not seen on the JOWO line-up.
MikeBennett: It was decided this would be in Graz. Nothing heard since then - KB no longer involved.
MikeBennett: Ping MG on this see if it is still happening.
Attendees
- Ken Baclawski
- Todd Schneider
- Mike Bennett
Apologies
- Andrea Westerinen