Ontolog Forum
| Session | Track 3 |
|---|---|
| Duration | 1 hour |
| Date/Time | 09 Apr 2025 16:00 GMT |
| 9:00am PDT/12:00pm EDT | |
| 5:00pm BST/6:00pm CEST | |
| Convener | Mike Bennett |
Ontology Summit 2025 Track 3
Agenda
- Panel Discussion for Track 3
- Mike Bennett Track 3 Chair
- Cory Casanave
- Maxwell Gilmore
- Alican Tüzün
- This track will cover a range of topics and questions such as:
- Truthmakers; perception; situation awareness
- Quality control of ontologies from the point of view of supporting theories
- How can we make our devices and manipulators?
- How can we use theoretical knowledge to create our measurement and other tools?
- Data verbalization: any unit of data can be read out loud.
- Data visualization
Conference Call Information
- Date: Wednesday, 09 Apr 2025
- Start Time: 9:00am PDT / 12:00pm EDT / 6:00pm CEST / 5:00pm BST / 1600 UTC
- ref: World Clock
- Expected Call Duration: 1 hour
- Video Conference URL: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/88593616861?pwd=HafnK0yB7PFDK1EyiUyQRDKanZlbjU.1
- Conference ID: 885 9361 6861
- Passcode: 306236
Discussion
12:13 Ravi Sharma: What about your thoughts on non-enterprise aspects of metaphysics relating reality and data?
12:16 Ravi Sharma: semantic concept is similar to meaning and vocabulary and are these two capable?
12:18 Ravi Sharma: Digital cognitive memory concepts of John Sowa is powerful. Can it include your semantic concept
12:20 Ravi Sharma: For the panel: and for Cory, what is the difficulty we have in treating information as an entity?
12:22 Mark Underwood: Agree that scalability is not only difficult, but undesirable, Then what practical suggestions can be offered to constrain concept-related, semantic projects, which will not be given unlimited budgets before showing results?
12:40 Ravi Sharma: Q for Maxwell is how relevant are formal economics concepts in this changing world?
12:45 Ravi Sharma: Disruptive economic events such as pandemic or sovereign risks affecting each other affect the coupled economies hence how relevant are financial risk models for example? For Maxwell and Mike, please.
12:48 Ravi Sharma: Maxwell differentiate or drill down vs abstraction?
12:48 janet singer: Mike and Max: Yes! Better thinking through for appropriate conceptualizations.
12:49 John Sowa: Ravi, anything can be treated as an entity just by using a symbol (word or other notation) to refer to it. QED (Quite Easily Done).
12:54 janet singer: A body of formally represented knowledge is based on a conceptualization: the objects, concepts, and other entities that are presumed to exist in some area of interest and the relationships that hold among them (Genesereth & Nilsson, 1987). A conceptualization is an abstract, simplified view of the world that we wish to represent for some purpose. Every knowledge base, knowledge-based system, or knowledge-level agent is committed to some conceptualization, explicitly or implicitly.
An ontology is an explicit specification of a conceptualization. The term is borrowed from philosophy, where an ontology is a systematic account of Existence. For knowledge-based systems, what “exists” is exactly that which can be represented. (T. Gruber in Knowledge Acquisition (1993) 5, 199-220)
13:00 Mike Bennett: A Pandemic of Stupidity.
- 13:00 Mark Underwood: 😂
13:00 janet singer: The points made today get back to that point of view.
- 13:02 John Sowa: Janet, that's a good summary of the issues.
- 13:08 John Sowa: Janet, as before, I agree. But Gruber is not the source of that idea. It's as old as Aristotle. My favorite philosopher, Charles Sanders Peirce, developed the issues in much, much greater depth and detail.
- 13:12 janet singer: Very true. As Peirce pointed out an important insight will be rediscovered many times. Gruber’s two paragraphs provide a good summary for today
13:06 janet singer: Conceptualization determines what should ‘exist’ as in being represented, as opposed to ontology as ‘breaking the world apart at its joints’
13:17 Mark Underwood: Thanks, all. Have to run
13:17 John Sowa: As an example, when two banks merge, they never replace one bank's services by the services of the other banks. Instead, they run all the software of both banks..
- 13:19 Mike Bennett: There's a tale of 2 insurance companies who merged and the resultant entity had a row of pot plants down the middle of the floor separating the 2 cultures.
13:18 janet singer: Adding in the phenomenology label would be helpful.
- 13:18 Mike Bennett: 👍
- 13:19 Cory Casanave: 👍
- 13:19 Alican Tüzün: 👍
Resources
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