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Session Topic: "'''Fostering 'Big Open Data' in government through Open Collaboration - invited presentation on NYCFacets and introduction to New York City's 'Open' initiatives'''"  
 
Session Topic: "'''Fostering 'Big Open Data' in government through Open Collaboration - invited presentation on NYCFacets and introduction to New York City's 'Open' initiatives'''"  
  
Session Co-chair: '''[[JeanneHolm]]''' (Data.gov / NASA-JPL) & '''[[PeterYim]]''' (Ontolog / CIM3) - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Big-Open-Data_session-I-intro--JeanneHolm-PeterYim_20120510.pdf slides]
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Session Co-chair: '''JeanneHolm''' (Data.gov / NASA-JPL) & '''PeterYim''' (Ontolog / CIM3) - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Big-Open-Data_session-I-intro--JeanneHolm-PeterYim_20120510.pdf slides]  
  
 
Panel Briefings from:  
 
Panel Briefings from:  
  
* '''[[ChrisMusialek]]''' (Data.gov / [[GSA]]) - "Empowering City Developers with Federal Data" - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Data.gov_Big-Open-Data--ChrisMusialek_20120510.pdf slides]
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* '''ChrisMusialek''' (Data.gov / [[GSA]]) - "Empowering City Developers with Federal Data" - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Data.gov_Big-Open-Data--ChrisMusialek_20120510.pdf slides]  
* '''[[AndrewNicklin]]''' (New York City) - "Opening up municipal government data: past, present, and future" - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/NYC-OpenData--AndrewNicklin_20120510.pdf slides]
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* '''AndrewNicklin''' (New York City) - "Opening up municipal government data: past, present, and future" - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/NYC-OpenData--AndrewNicklin_20120510.pdf slides]  
* '''[[JoelNatividad]]''' (Ontodia) - "Smart Cities and Big Open Data" - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Smart-Cities-and-Big-Open-Data--JoelNatividad_20120510.pdf slides]
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* '''JoelNatividad''' (Ontodia) - "Smart Cities and Big Open Data" - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Smart-Cities-and-Big-Open-Data--JoelNatividad_20120510.pdf slides]  
  
[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/ Archives:]  
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==[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/ Archives]==
  
 
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|Abstract]]'''  
 
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|Abstract]]'''  
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* '''Prepared presentation material (slides)''' can be accessed by clicking on each of the [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/ title links] below:  
 
* '''Prepared presentation material (slides)''' can be accessed by clicking on each of the [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/ title links] below:  
 
** '''[ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Big-Open-Data_session-I-intro--JeanneHolm-PeterYim_20120510.pdf 0-Holm] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Data.gov_Big-Open-Data--ChrisMusialek_20120510.pdf 1-Musialek] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/NYC-OpenData--AndrewNicklin_20120510.pdf 2-Nicklin] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Smart-Cities-and-Big-Open-Data--JoelNatividad_20120510.pdf 3-Natividad] ]'''  
 
** '''[ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Big-Open-Data_session-I-intro--JeanneHolm-PeterYim_20120510.pdf 0-Holm] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Data.gov_Big-Open-Data--ChrisMusialek_20120510.pdf 1-Musialek] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/NYC-OpenData--AndrewNicklin_20120510.pdf 2-Nicklin] ] . [ [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Smart-Cities-and-Big-Open-Data--JoelNatividad_20120510.pdf 3-Natividad] ]'''  
* '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Data.gov-Ontolog_Big-Open-Data-I_20120510b.mp3 Audio recording of the session]''' [ 1:36:56 ; mp3 ; 11.1 MB ]
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* '''[http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/Data.gov-Ontolog_Big-Open-Data-I_20120510b.mp3 Audio recording of the session]''' [ 1:36:56 ; mp3 ; 11.1 MB ]  
 
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|Transcript of the online chat]]''' during the session  
 
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|Transcript of the online chat]]''' during the session  
 
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|Additional Resources]]'''  
 
* '''[[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|Additional Resources]]'''  
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* '''In-session chat'''-room url: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontolog_20120510  
 
* '''In-session chat'''-room url: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontolog_20120510  
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* Attended (along with registered participants who may have joined but missed the roll call):  
 
* Attended (along with registered participants who may have joined but missed the roll call):  
** [[JeanneHolm]] (co-chair)  
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** JeanneHolm (co-chair)  
** [[PeterYim]] (co-chair)  
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** PeterYim (co-chair)  
** [[JoelNatividad]]
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** JoelNatividad  
** [[AndrewNicklin]]
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** AndrewNicklin  
** [[ChrisMusialek]]
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** ChrisMusialek  
** [[SamiBaig]]
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** SamiBaig  
** [[GeorgeThomas]]
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** GeorgeThomas  
** [[JesseWang]]
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** JesseWang  
** [[JoanneLuciano]]
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** JoanneLuciano  
** [[HasanSayani]]
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** HasanSayani  
** [[ShivaSaberi]]
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** ShivaSaberi  
** [[DeirdreLee]]
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** DeirdreLee  
** [[MarthaPrzysucha]]
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** MarthaPrzysucha  
** [[LisaHartigan]]
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** LisaHartigan  
** [[JackPark]]
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** JackPark  
** [[KenBaclawski]]
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** KenBaclawski  
** [[BobSchloss]]
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** BobSchloss  
** [[RichardLee]]
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** RichardLee  
** [[KingsleyIdehen]]
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** KingsleyIdehen  
** [[MikeBennett]]
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** MikeBennett  
** [[DavidMason]]
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** DavidMason  
 
** [[MarieJeanMeurs]]  
 
** [[MarieJeanMeurs]]  
** [[DavidCollins]]
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** DavidCollins  
** [[MatthewKaufman]]
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** MatthewKaufman  
** [[LeoObrst]]
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** LeoObrst  
** [[KyoungsookKim]]
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** KyoungsookKim  
** [[TerryLongstreth]]
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** TerryLongstreth  
** [[FrankOlken]]
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** FrankOlken  
** [[EdDodds]]
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** EdDodds  
** [[TomTinsley]]
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** TomTinsley  
** [[JackRing]]
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** JackRing  
** [[JerrySmith]]
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** JerrySmith  
** [[PavithraKenjige]]
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** PavithraKenjige  
** [[AliHashemi]]
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** AliHashemi  
** [[AnushriMishra]]
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** AnushriMishra  
** [[BobLojek]]
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** BobLojek  
 
** [[DeborahMcGuinness]]  
 
** [[DeborahMcGuinness]]  
** [[DeniseWarzel]]
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** DeniseWarzel  
** [[ElizabethFlorescu]]
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** ElizabethFlorescu  
** [[MarkDixon]]
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** MarkDixon  
** [[MichaelGruninger]]
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** MichaelGruninger  
 
** jgabriel  
 
** jgabriel  
 
** lisa_h  
 
** lisa_h  
 
** sdupd_glenn  
 
** sdupd_glenn  
** [[NancyWiegand]]
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* Expecting:  
 
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* Regrets:  
 
* Regrets:  
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** [[AmandaVizedom]] (have conflict, but will view/listen to archive later)  
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** AmandaVizedom (have conflict, but will view/listen to archive later)  
** [[ToddSchneider]]
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* (a) the recent US federal government's thrust toward developing and leveraging 'Big Data'  
 
* (a) the recent US federal government's thrust toward developing and leveraging 'Big Data'  
* (b) the 3-month long [[OntologySummit2012]] series of events that just finished a few weeks ago that was focused around the theme 'Ontology for Big Systems' and  
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* (b) the 3-month long OntologySummit2012 series of events that just finished a few weeks ago that was focused around the theme 'Ontology for Big Systems' and  
 
* (c) New York City's award of their 'Big Apps 3.0' grand prize to NYCfacets (developed by a member of this community, in an applications that leverages ontology and semantic technologies); and the City's 'open data' initiative that followed.  
 
* (c) New York City's award of their 'Big Apps 3.0' grand prize to NYCfacets (developed by a member of this community, in an applications that leverages ontology and semantic technologies); and the City's 'open data' initiative that followed.  
  
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* '''Session Format:''' this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call  
 
* '''Session Format:''' this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call  
  
* 1. Opening (chair) - [[JeanneHolm]] [10 min.] ... [ [[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|slides]] ]
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* 1. Opening (chair) - JeanneHolm [10 min.] ... [ [[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|slides]] ]  
 
* 2. Panel briefings [20 min. each]  
 
* 2. Panel briefings [20 min. each]  
** [[ChrisMusialek]] - "Empowering City Developers with Federal Data"  
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** ChrisMusialek - "Empowering City Developers with Federal Data"  
** [[AndrewNicklin]] - "Opening up municipal government data: past, present, and future"  
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** AndrewNicklin - "Opening up municipal government data: past, present, and future"  
** [[JoelNatividad]] - "Smart Cities and Big Open Data"  
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** JoelNatividad - "Smart Cities and Big Open Data"  
* 3. Q & A and open discussion [All: ~30 min.] - (moderated by the chair)   -- please refer to [[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|process above]]
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* 3. Q & A and open discussion [All: ~30 min.] - (moderated by the chair) -- please refer to [[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|process above]]  
 
* 4. Wrap-up / Announcements - (chair)  
 
* 4. Wrap-up / Announcements - (chair)  
  
== Proceedings: ==
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== Proceedings  ==
  
 
Please refer to the [[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|above]]  
 
Please refer to the [[ConferenceCall_2012_05_10|above]]  
  
'''IM Chat Transcript captured during the session:'''
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===IM Chat Transcript captured during the session===
 
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see raw transcript [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/chat-transcript_unedited_20120510a.txt here].  
 
see raw transcript [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/chat-transcript_unedited_20120510a.txt here].  
  
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(for better clarity, the version below is a [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/chat-transcript_edited_20120510b.txt re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript].)
  
 
(for better clarity, the version below is a [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/BigOpenData/2012-05-10_Fostering-Big-Open-Data-in-Government/chat-transcript_edited_20120510b.txt re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript].)
 
 
Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.  
 
Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.  
 
 
  
 
-- begin in-session chat-transcript --  
 
-- begin in-session chat-transcript --  
  
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PeterYim: Welcome to the
  
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''' Joint DATA.GOV-ONTOLOG "Big Open Data" Session - Thu 2012-05-10 '''
  
[[PeterYim]]: Welcome to the
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Session Topic: "Fostering 'Big Open Data' in government through Open Collaboration
  
 
 
= Joint DATA.GOV-ONTOLOG "Big Open Data" Session - Thu 2012-05-10 =
 
 
 
 
Session Topic: "Fostering 'Big Open Data' in government through Open Collaboration
 
 
- invited presentation on NYCFacets and introduction to New York City's 'Open' initiatives"  
 
- invited presentation on NYCFacets and introduction to New York City's 'Open' initiatives"  
  
 
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Session Co-chair: JeanneHolm (Data.gov / NASA-JPL) & PeterYim (Ontolog / CIM3)  
 
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Session Co-chair: [[JeanneHolm]] (Data.gov / NASA-JPL) & [[PeterYim]] (Ontolog / CIM3)  
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Panel Briefings:  
 
Panel Briefings:  
  
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*  ChrisMusialek (Data.gov / GSA) - "Empowering City Developers with Federal Data"
  
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* AndrewNicklin (New York City) - "Opening up municipal government data: past, present, and future"
  
* [[ChrisMusialek]] (Data.gov / GSA) - "Empowering City Developers with Federal Data"
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* JoelNatividad (Ontodia) - "Smart Cities and Big Open Data"  
 
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* [[AndrewNicklin]] (New York City) - "Opening up municipal government data: past, present, and future"
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* [[JoelNatividad]] (Ontodia) - "Smart Cities and Big Open Data"  
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Session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_05_10  
 
Session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_05_10  
 
 
  
 
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''' Proceedings: '''
  
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PeterYim: Attention ALL: because of time constraints from some of our panelists, we will have to
  
== Proceedings: ==
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start promptly today. ... therefore if you have any logistics questions, please be ready to ask them
  
 
 
[[PeterYim]]: Attention ALL: because of time constraints from some of our panelists, we will have to
 
start promptly today. ... therefore if you have any logistics questions, please be ready to ask them
 
 
as soon as you get online, and before we mute everyone!  
 
as soon as you get online, and before we mute everyone!  
  
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PeterYim: Hi Andrew!  
 
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[[PeterYim]]: Hi Andrew!
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[[PeterYim]]: Hi Joel, Hi Terry ... and everyone!  
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PeterYim: Hi Joel, Hi Terry ... and everyone!
  
 
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jgabriel: Hi everyone!  
 
jgabriel: Hi everyone!  
  
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JoelNatividad: Howdy everyone!
  
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DavidMason & [[MarieJeanMeurs]]: hey all
  
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JesseWang: Hi, all! Good morning, afternoon, evening!
  
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JackPark: Hi
  
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PeterYim: == JeanneHolm presenting the intro slides now ...
  
[[JackPark]]: Hi
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PeterYim: == ChrisMusialek presenting ...
  
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JeanneHolm: ChrisMusialek is now presenting Empowering City Developers with Federal Data. Slides can
  
[[PeterYim]]: == [[JeanneHolm]] presenting the intro slides now ...
 
 
 
 
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[[PeterYim]]: == [[ChrisMusialek]] presenting ...
 
 
 
 
[[JeanneHolm]]: [[ChrisMusialek]] is now presenting Empowering City Developers with Federal Data. Slides can
 
 
be downloaded at the session page (above)  
 
be downloaded at the session page (above)  
  
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JesseWang: what is the search engine used in data.gov? did you develop your own text/query
  
 
[[JesseWang]]: what is the search engine used in data.gov? did you develop your own text/query
 
 
analyzer/parser?  
 
analyzer/parser?  
  
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JeanneHolm: Jesse--we are using Bing as the search engine as part of USA.gov's search capability.
  
 
[[JeanneHolm]]: Jesse--we are using Bing as the search engine as part of USA.gov's search capability.
 
 
one of the things we all want to improve on Data.gov is the search capability. It's currently  
 
one of the things we all want to improve on Data.gov is the search capability. It's currently  
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limited by both the complexity of the queries you can build, as well as the fact that it only  
 
limited by both the complexity of the queries you can build, as well as the fact that it only  
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searches the metadata of the data tool or dataset. We are moving toward a federated model that would  
 
searches the metadata of the data tool or dataset. We are moving toward a federated model that would  
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allow us to search the metadata or other attributes of the tools and data sources that are made  
 
allow us to search the metadata or other attributes of the tools and data sources that are made  
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accessible.  
 
accessible.  
  
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JackRing: Has Data.gov calibrated the false positives and false negatives achieved with keywords?
  
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JeanneHolm: Jack--I'll have to check on the false positive and false negative calibration.
  
[[JackRing]]: Has Data.gov calibrated the false positives and false negatives achieved with keywords?
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[[JeanneHolm]]: Jack--I'll have to check on the false positive and false negative calibration.
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DeirdreLee: Latest W3C Editor's draft of Data Catalog Vocabulary (dcat) (managed by W3C Government
  
[[DeirdreLee]]: Latest W3C Editor's draft of Data Catalog Vocabulary (dcat) (managed by W3C Government
 
 
Linked Data (GLD) WG): http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html  
 
Linked Data (GLD) WG): http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html  
  
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AndrewNicklin: Will data.gov look at third-party API key & rate management tools instead of rolling
  
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[[AndrewNicklin]]: Will data.gov look at third-party API key & rate management tools instead of rolling
 
 
your own?  
 
your own?  
  
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JeanneHolm: Andrew--Data.gov is definitely looking at third-party API tools and any emergent
  
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standards in this area. The intent is that we are a connector amongst a set of data of national
  
[[JeanneHolm]]: Andrew--Data.gov is definitely looking at third-party API tools and any emergent
 
standards in this area. The intent is that we are a connector amongst a set of data of national
 
 
interest, even beyond just the federal government.  
 
interest, even beyond just the federal government.  
  
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PeterYim: == AndrewNicklin presenting ...
  
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AndrewNicklin: The site I mentioned for NYC open data standards is http://www.nyc.gov/datastandards
  
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JackRing: What will be the relevance of Ward Cunningham's expedition into Federating wiki's?
  
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JackRing: Jeanne, Pls do clarify the FP-FN results because both are likely to be dismal.
  
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JeanneHolm: Jack--completely agree. Just need to verify what's been done.
  
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EdDodds: I saw a story about crowdfunding movies this a.m. (passer.by) and it got me thinking: are
  
[[AndrewNicklin]]: The site I mentioned for NYC open data standards is http://www.nyc.gov/datastandards
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there any crowdfunded open data efforts anybody has heard of? Any fellowships sponsored by
  
 
 
[[PeterYim]]: == [[JoelNatividad]] presenting ...
 
 
 
 
[[JackRing]]: What will be the relevance of Ward Cunningham's expedition into Federating wiki's?
 
 
 
 
[[JackRing]]: Jeanne, Pls do clarify the FP-FN results because both are likely to be dismal.
 
 
 
 
[[JeanneHolm]]: Jack--completely agree. Just need to verify what's been done.
 
 
 
 
[[EdDodds]]: I saw a story about crowdfunding movies this a.m. (passer.by) and it got me thinking: are
 
there any crowdfunded open data efforts anybody has heard of? Any fellowships sponsored by
 
 
foundations?  
 
foundations?  
  
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JeanneHolm: Ed--like a Kickstarter for open data? Interesting...
  
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[[DeborahMcGuinness]]: i like this idea and would be happy to point our students to such a call. I would
  
[[JeanneHolm]]: Ed--like a Kickstarter for open data? Interesting...
 
 
 
 
[[DeborahMcGuinness]]: i like this idea and would be happy to point our students to such a call. I would
 
 
also be willing to help sell such a message  
 
also be willing to help sell such a message  
  
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EdDodds: Yes, I've seen a few stories proposing crowdfunding for investigative reporting
  
 
[[EdDodds]]: Yes, I've seen a few stories proposing crowdfunding for investigative reporting
 
 
recently--haven't seen if they were actually successful  
 
recently--haven't seen if they were actually successful  
  
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JackPark: @Jeanne, re federation: I will be giving a talk at a bigdata meetup with these slides
  
 
[[JackPark]]: @Jeanne, re federation: I will be giving a talk at a bigdata meetup with these slides
 
 
http://www.slideshare.net/jackpark/big-datasciencemeetup-final  
 
http://www.slideshare.net/jackpark/big-datasciencemeetup-final  
  
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JeanneHolm: Jack--Very interesting presentation. Is the meeting open for others to attend?
  
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JackRing: Jeanne, when you are ready to escape the limits of key words and rapidly assay data with
  
[[JeanneHolm]]: Jack--Very interesting presentation. Is the meeting open for others to attend?
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respect to large, complex, interconnected cominatorial networks I will be happy to offer some
  
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insights. Long buried in highly classified systems but now patented in soon to be implemented in a
  
 
[[JackRing]]: Jeanne, when you are ready to escape the limits of key words and rapidly assay data with
 
respect to large, complex, interconnected cominatorial networks I will be happy to offer some
 
insights. Long buried in highly classified systems but now patented in soon to be implemented in a
 
 
chip equivalent to 3,600 microprocessors on a grid.  
 
chip equivalent to 3,600 microprocessors on a grid.  
  
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JackPark: @Jeanne, afaik it's sold out but contact me jackpark[at]topicquests.org -
  
 
[[JackPark]]: @Jeanne, afaik it's sold out but contact me jackpark[at]topicquests.org -
 
 
http://www.meetup.com/Big-Data-Science/events/51766642/  
 
http://www.meetup.com/Big-Data-Science/events/51766642/  
  
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JeanneHolm: Thanks Jack.
  
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JackRing: @JackPark, I think your slides evidence great work. Thank you. Pls consider joining us at
  
[[JeanneHolm]]: Thanks Jack.
 
 
 
 
[[JackRing]]: @[[JackPark]], I think your slides evidence great work. Thank you. Pls consider joining us at
 
 
the Symposium in July at San Jose, particularly the Sunday workshop. http://isss.org/world/index.php  
 
the Symposium in July at San Jose, particularly the Sunday workshop. http://isss.org/world/index.php  
  
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JackPark: @JackRing I would love to attend isss but it's just not in the budget; my friend Judith
  
 
[[JackPark]]: @[[JackRing]] I would love to attend isss but it's just not in the budget; my friend Judith
 
 
Rosen is giving a tutorial I'd really like to attend. Your workshop, if it's open, I'll try to  
 
Rosen is giving a tutorial I'd really like to attend. Your workshop, if it's open, I'll try to  
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attend. Many thanks  
 
attend. Many thanks  
  
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JeanneHolm: Are there any questions for the speakers? We are about to go to question and answer...
  
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PeterYim: when we start, we will ask people to click on their "hand" buttons (lower right) ... and
  
[[JeanneHolm]]: Are there any questions for the speakers? We are about to go to question and answer...  
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queue folks up for Q&A and remarks ... amke sure you test your voices first, and start by telling us
  
 
 
[[PeterYim]]: when we start, we will ask people to click on their "hand" buttons (lower right) ... and
 
queue folks up for Q&A and remarks ... amke sure you test your voices first, and start by telling us
 
 
who you are.  
 
who you are.  
  
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DeirdreLee: I have to head out now, but thanks for lots of interesting presentations
  
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JeanneHolm: Thanks Deirdre!
  
[[DeirdreLee]]: I have to head out now, but thanks for lots of interesting presentations
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LeoObrst: Thanks all, must leave.
  
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PeterYim: == open Q&A and discussion now ...
  
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anonymous morphed into PavithraKenjige
  
[[JeanneHolm]]: Thanks Deirdre!
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JeanneHolm: PeterYim: Presentations were fantastic. Congratulations to federal people who started
  
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the movement in opening up government data; to NY developers for providing open data; and to Joel
  
 
[[LeoObrst]]: Thanks all, must leave.
 
 
 
 
[[PeterYim]]: == open Q&A and discussion now ...
 
 
 
 
anonymous morphed into [[PavithraKenjige]]
 
 
 
 
[[JeanneHolm]]: [[PeterYim]]: Presentations were fantastic. Congratulations to federal people who started
 
the movement in opening up government data; to NY developers for providing open data; and to Joel
 
 
and everyone who provided technology in helping Joel's app stand out from the crowd.  
 
and everyone who provided technology in helping Joel's app stand out from the crowd.  
  
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JeanneHolm: PeterYim: Next week's discussion will focus on the technical details of implementing
  
 
[[JeanneHolm]]: [[PeterYim]]: Next week's discussion will focus on the technical details of implementing
 
 
some of these solutions.  
 
some of these solutions.  
  
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JackRing: Is anyone concerned with cybersecurity/privacy?
  
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AndrewNicklin: JackRing: there are two aspects to our approach to security. First is not letting out
  
[[JackRing]]: Is anyone concerned with cybersecurity/privacy?
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sensitive info (comparatively easy); Second is - potentially - evaluating whether our data, when
  
 
 
[[AndrewNicklin]]: [[JackRing]]: there are two aspects to our approach to security. First is not letting out
 
sensitive info (comparatively easy); Second is - potentially - evaluating whether our data, when
 
 
combined with outside information poses more risks.  
 
combined with outside information poses more risks.  
  
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sdupd_glenn: We'd love to see some case studies of municipal opendata in order to pitch to
  
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management the benefits of a public-facing GIS system coupled with ERP data (merged visually with
  
sdupd_glenn: We'd love to see some case studies of municipal opendata in order to pitch to
 
management the benefits of a public-facing GIS system coupled with ERP data (merged visually with
 
 
other public data)  
 
other public data)  
  
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sdupd_glenn: a lot of our staff understands the potential of all this, but are unable to articulate
  
 
sdupd_glenn: a lot of our staff understands the potential of all this, but are unable to articulate
 
 
its benefit to the higher ups who control the purse  
 
its benefit to the higher ups who control the purse  
  
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JeanneHolm: Are challenges a good way to get developers to focus on and consume government data? Are
  
 
[[JeanneHolm]]: Are challenges a good way to get developers to focus on and consume government data? Are
 
 
there better ways?  
 
there better ways?  
  
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JeanneHolm: JoelNatividad responded: The first time we submitted to a challenge was just to do
  
 
[[JeanneHolm]]: [[JoelNatividad]] responded: The first time we submitted to a challenge was just to do
 
 
something with our partners. The second time was really to accomplish something. It wasn't about the  
 
something with our partners. The second time was really to accomplish something. It wasn't about the  
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money, but the recognition and ability to build something useful was what drew us.  
 
money, but the recognition and ability to build something useful was what drew us.  
  
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sdupd_glenn: sdupd_glenn: For the private sector, yes. For public agencies, the challenge is how to
  
 
sdupd_glenn: sdupd_glenn: For the private sector, yes. For public agencies, the challenge is how to
 
 
incentivize the action of making data public in the first place  
 
incentivize the action of making data public in the first place  
  
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MikeBennett: I have to go now - thanks for great presentations
  
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JeanneHolm: Thanks Mike!
  
[[MikeBennett]]: I have to go now - thanks for great presentations
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EdDodds: It might be that the start up weekend or hackathon model of drawing everyone together
  
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geographically for 48 hours (though I much prefer virtual innovation clusters such as Ontolog) might
  
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be a tactic, especially if you could find sponsorships from firms who are likely to consume the
  
[[JeanneHolm]]: Thanks Mike!
 
 
 
 
[[EdDodds]]: It might be that the start up weekend or hackathon model of drawing everyone together
 
geographically for 48 hours (though I much prefer virtual innovation clusters such as Ontolog) might
 
be a tactic, especially if you could find sponsorships from firms who are likely to consume the
 
 
data, add their own and make a profit.  
 
data, add their own and make a profit.  
  
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EdDodds: Nonprofits, community foundations, united way types also stand to benefit and could have
  
 
[[EdDodds]]: Nonprofits, community foundations, united way types also stand to benefit and could have
 
 
skin in the game  
 
skin in the game  
  
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JoelNatividad: And to Ed's point, that is what we want to do at Ontodia. We want to collaborate Open
  
 
[[JoelNatividad]]: And to Ed's point, that is what we want to do at Ontodia. We want to collaborate Open
 
 
Data with all kinds of databases, both public and private.  
 
Data with all kinds of databases, both public and private.  
  
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JoelNatividad: And do what Bloomberg did for Finance data, and do it for Open Data.
  
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JeanneHolm: Ed--The hackathon model is good, but as you point out it's really important to have a
  
[[JoelNatividad]]: And do what Bloomberg did for Finance data, and do it for Open Data.
 
 
 
 
[[JeanneHolm]]: Ed--The hackathon model is good, but as you point out it's really important to have a
 
 
business model that brings those ideas to a sustainable service.  
 
business model that brings those ideas to a sustainable service.  
  
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AndrewNicklin: @JeanneHolm, EdDodds: in terms of sustainability, we've also (informally,
  
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unofficially) considered tiering access to our services such that the costs of operating open data
  
[[AndrewNicklin]]: @[[JeanneHolm]], [[EdDodds]]: in terms of sustainability, we've also (informally,
 
unofficially) considered tiering access to our services such that the costs of operating open data
 
 
platform can be recovered from high-volume commercial users.  
 
platform can be recovered from high-volume commercial users.  
  
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TerryLongstreth: @JeanneHolm - I agree that sustainability needs to be considered. Moreover, data
  
 
[[TerryLongstreth]]: @[[JeanneHolm]] - I agree that sustainability needs to be considered. Moreover, data
 
 
ages quickly, and there's little in today's talks about maintaining data qualilty and timeliness  
 
ages quickly, and there's little in today's talks about maintaining data qualilty and timeliness  
  
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JoelNatividad: @TerryLongstreth, in NYCFacets, that's why we derived "extrametadata" to characterize
  
 
[[JoelNatividad]]: @[[TerryLongstreth]], in NYCFacets, that's why we derived "extrametadata" to characterize
 
 
and score each dataset  
 
and score each dataset  
  
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AndrewNicklin: @TerryLongstreth that's why automation is really important.
  
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EdDodds: @JeanneHolm, all: strenuously agree. Caveat: just because something *should* be valuable
  
[[AndrewNicklin]]: @[[TerryLongstreth]] that's why automation is really important.
 
 
 
 
[[EdDodds]]: @[[JeanneHolm]], all: strenuously agree. Caveat: just because something *should* be valuable
 
 
doesn't mean the market has "eyes to see" at the time a product is launched  
 
doesn't mean the market has "eyes to see" at the time a product is launched  
  
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JoelNatividad: [in our "extrametadata"] we score it along freshness, sparseness, uniqueness, no of
  
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downloads, views, etc., and we plan to make the scoring algorithm transparent and not opaque, so
  
[[JoelNatividad]]: [in our "extrametadata"] we score it along freshness, sparseness, uniqueness, no of
 
downloads, views, etc., and we plan to make the scoring algorithm transparent and not opaque, so
 
 
publishers can respond; and in the future, we do plan to do time series as well, but not yet.  
 
publishers can respond; and in the future, we do plan to do time series as well, but not yet.  
  
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JoelNatividad: @TerryLongstreth, we're actively tracking the wikidata effort and will sync up with
  
 
[[JoelNatividad]]: @[[TerryLongstreth]], we're actively tracking the wikidata effort and will sync up with
 
 
that  
 
that  
  
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JoelNatividad: so "facts" and unstructured free form text are separated
  
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anonymous1: In regards to competitions concerning opengov-- Chicago recently held a contest to
  
[[JoelNatividad]]: so "facts" and unstructured free form text are separated
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encourage app development and recieved a toyal of 60 submissions. Chicago's he open data portal
  
 
 
anonymous1: In regards to competitions concerning opengov-- Chicago recently held a contest to
 
encourage app development and recieved a toyal of 60 submissions. Chicago's he open data portal
 
 
stats include:  
 
stats include:  
 
 
  
 
328 datasets 470,000+ embeds 1000 + user views 50+ apps  
 
328 datasets 470,000+ embeds 1000 + user views 50+ apps  
  
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EdDodds: Toronto's @buzzdata tries to socialize static data sets (streams too maybe?) marketing,
  
 
[[EdDodds]]: Toronto's @buzzdata tries to socialize static data sets (streams too maybe?) marketing,
 
 
news gathering, conferences, higher education all could benefit; but I think until we get a mass of  
 
news gathering, conferences, higher education all could benefit; but I think until we get a mass of  
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aggregated micropayments for data feeds the challenge to fund will continue  
 
aggregated micropayments for data feeds the challenge to fund will continue  
  
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JackPark: Great conference. Many thanks to the speakers.!
  
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KingsleyIdehen: Please upload the slides to slideshare etc..
  
[[JackPark]]: Great conference. Many thanks to the speakers.!
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JeanneHolm: @Kingsley the slides are at
  
 
 
[[KingsleyIdehen]]: Please upload the slides to slideshare etc..
 
 
 
 
[[JeanneHolm]]: @Kingsley the slides are at
 
 
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_05_10 for today's call.  
 
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_05_10 for today's call.  
  
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KingsleyIdehen: @JeanneHolm: I've seen the presentations, but just suggesting slideshare for broader
  
 
[[KingsleyIdehen]]: @[[JeanneHolm]]: I've seen the presentations, but just suggesting slideshare for broader
 
 
audience etc..  
 
audience etc..  
  
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EdDodds: + 1 Kingsley
  
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JoelNatividad: We will upload the nycfacets overview to slideshare as well
  
[[EdDodds]]: + 1 Kingsley
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EdDodds: There may be a few up at http://www.slideshare.net/eddodds/ already  
 
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[[JoelNatividad]]: We will upload the nycfacets overview to slideshare as well
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[[EdDodds]]: There may be a few up at http://www.slideshare.net/eddodds/ already  
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[[JackPark]]: A thought: having slides up at slideshare means they can be viewed without downloading.
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JackPark: A thought: having slides up at slideshare means they can be viewed without downloading.
  
 
sdupd_glenn: slideshare, yes please  
 
sdupd_glenn: slideshare, yes please  
  
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sdupd_glenn: Can I please suggest that someone or agency put together a series of webinars for
  
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agencies that know opendata is crucial but cannot get C-suite or management approval to get an
  
sdupd_glenn: Can I please suggest that someone or agency put together a series of webinars for
 
agencies that know opendata is crucial but cannot get C-suite or management approval to get an
 
 
opendata program started in the first place (all of us local municipalities and districts)!  
 
opendata program started in the first place (all of us local municipalities and districts)!  
  
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PeterYim: thank you all, great session!
  
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JoelNatividad: Thanks everyone! Special mention to Peter for all the great work to make this
  
[[PeterYim]]: thank you all, great session!
 
 
 
 
[[JoelNatividad]]: Thanks everyone! Special mention to Peter for all the great work to make this
 
 
possible!  
 
possible!  
  
 
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SamiBaig: Thank you all!  
 
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[[SamiBaig]]: Thank you all!  
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anonymous morphed into lisa h  
 
anonymous morphed into lisa h  
  
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sdupd_glenn: we local municipalities feel like we get to applaud the state and federal efforts but
  
 
sdupd_glenn: we local municipalities feel like we get to applaud the state and federal efforts but
 
 
have no funding or champions to help us get off the ground. We can't participate without your help!  
 
have no funding or champions to help us get off the ground. We can't participate without your help!  
  
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JeanneHolm: @sdupd_glenn I'm happy to help out with providing discussions on the value of open data
  
 
[[JeanneHolm]]: @sdupd_glenn I'm happy to help out with providing discussions on the value of open data
 
 
to cities and municipalities. Part of Cities.Data.gov (coming soon!) will be to do that as well.  
 
to cities and municipalities. Part of Cities.Data.gov (coming soon!) will be to do that as well.  
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Feel free to reach out to me at jholm@jpl.nasa.gov  
 
Feel free to reach out to me at jholm@jpl.nasa.gov  
  
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sdupd_glenn: JeanneHolm: Great I'd love to discuss with your team. We've been in touch with you
  
 
sdupd_glenn: [[JeanneHolm]]: Great I'd love to discuss with your team. We've been in touch with you
 
 
already via Barbara Moreno  
 
already via Barbara Moreno  
  
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PeterYim: come back, same time next week, when we will cover the technical aspects of the same
  
 
[[PeterYim]]: come back, same time next week, when we will cover the technical aspects of the same
 
 
subject next Thursdau (May-17)  
 
subject next Thursdau (May-17)  
  
 
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PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:18am PDT --  
 
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[[PeterYim]]: -- session ended: 11:18am PDT --  
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** information about joing the Ontolog community can be found [[WikiHomePage|here]].  
  
== Additional Resources: ==
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* the US federal Data.gov initiative - http://data.gov  
 
* the US federal Data.gov initiative - http://data.gov  
 
* Cities.data.gov initiative - http://cities.data.gov  
 
* Cities.data.gov initiative - http://cities.data.gov  
 
* The 'NYCfacets' app - http://nyc.pediacities.com/facets/  
 
* The 'NYCfacets' app - http://nyc.pediacities.com/facets/  
** announcement on [http://www.mikebloomberg.com/index.cfm?objectid=C40FA7ED-C29C-7CA2-FC4D9951A6D76D50 NYCFacets winning the Grand Prize at [[NYCBigApps]] 3.0]  
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** announcement on [http://www.mikebloomberg.com/index.cfm?objectid=C40FA7ED-C29C-7CA2-FC4D9951A6D76D50 NYCFacets winning the Grand Prize at NYCBigApps 3.0]  
 
* NYC Open Data - http://nyc.gov/datastandards or http://nycopendata.pediacities.com/wiki/index.php/NYC_Open_Data  
 
* NYC Open Data - http://nyc.gov/datastandards or http://nycopendata.pediacities.com/wiki/index.php/NYC_Open_Data  
 
* webcast of the White House 'Big Data' event of 29-Mar-2012 - http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_videos.jsp?cntn_id=123607&media_id=72174  
 
* webcast of the White House 'Big Data' event of 29-Mar-2012 - http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_videos.jsp?cntn_id=123607&media_id=72174  
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* SMWcon-Spring2012 - http://smwcon.projecthalo.com/index.php/SMWCon_Spring_2012  
 
* [[OpenOntologyRepository]] (OOR) - http://oor.net  
 
* [[OpenOntologyRepository]] (OOR) - http://oor.net  
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Joint DATA.GOV-ONTOLOG "Big Open Data" Session - Thu 2012_05_10     (1)

Session Topic: "Fostering 'Big Open Data' in government through Open Collaboration - invited presentation on NYCFacets and introduction to New York City's 'Open' initiatives"     (1A)

Session Co-chair: JeanneHolm (Data.gov / NASA-JPL) & PeterYim (Ontolog / CIM3) - slides     (1B)

Panel Briefings from:     (1C)

  • ChrisMusialek (Data.gov / GSA) - "Empowering City Developers with Federal Data" - slides     (1D)
  • AndrewNicklin (New York City) - "Opening up municipal government data: past, present, and future" - slides     (1E)
  • JoelNatividad (Ontodia) - "Smart Cities and Big Open Data" - slides     (1F)

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Abstract     (1I)

Fostering 'Big Open Data' in government through Open Collaboration - invited presentation on NYCFacets and introduction to New York City's 'Open' initiatives     (1I1)

This is the first of two sessions jointly organized by the US federal data.gov initiative and Ontolog. This follows quite naturally from a few very exciting recent events, notably:     (1I2)

  • (a) the recent US federal government's thrust toward developing and leveraging 'Big Data'     (1I3)
  • (b) the 3-month long OntologySummit2012 series of events that just finished a few weeks ago that was focused around the theme 'Ontology for Big Systems' and     (1I4)
  • (c) New York City's award of their 'Big Apps 3.0' grand prize to NYCfacets (developed by a member of this community, in an applications that leverages ontology and semantic technologies); and the City's 'open data' initiative that followed.     (1I5)

During today's session, we will look at the NYCfacets app, the New York City open data initiative and contemplate how open collaborative community effort can help foster 'Big Open Data'.     (1I6)

Agenda     (1J)

Fostering 'Big Open Data' in government through Open Collaboration     (1J1)

  • Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call     (1J2)
  • 1. Opening (chair) - JeanneHolm [10 min.] ... [ slides ]     (1J3)
  • 2. Panel briefings [20 min. each]     (1J4)
    • ChrisMusialek - "Empowering City Developers with Federal Data"     (1J4A)
    • AndrewNicklin - "Opening up municipal government data: past, present, and future"     (1J4B)
    • JoelNatividad - "Smart Cities and Big Open Data"     (1J4C)
  • 3. Q & A and open discussion [All: ~30 min.] - (moderated by the chair) -- please refer to process above     (1J5)
  • 4. Wrap-up / Announcements - (chair)     (1J6)

Proceedings     (1K)

Please refer to the above     (1K1)

IM Chat Transcript captured during the session    (1K2)

see raw transcript here.     (1K2A)

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)     (1K2B)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.     (1K2C)

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --     (1K2D)

PeterYim: Welcome to the     (1K2E)

Joint DATA.GOV-ONTOLOG "Big Open Data" Session - Thu 2012-05-10     (1K2F)

Session Topic: "Fostering 'Big Open Data' in government through Open Collaboration     (1K2G)

- invited presentation on NYCFacets and introduction to New York City's 'Open' initiatives"     (1K2H)

Session Co-chair: JeanneHolm (Data.gov / NASA-JPL) & PeterYim (Ontolog / CIM3)     (1K2I)

Panel Briefings:     (1K2J)

  • ChrisMusialek (Data.gov / GSA) - "Empowering City Developers with Federal Data"     (1K2K)
  • AndrewNicklin (New York City) - "Opening up municipal government data: past, present, and future"     (1K2L)
  • JoelNatividad (Ontodia) - "Smart Cities and Big Open Data"     (1K2M)

Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute     (1K2O)

Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad"     (1K2P)

Proceedings:     (1K2Q)

PeterYim: Attention ALL: because of time constraints from some of our panelists, we will have to     (1K2R)

start promptly today. ... therefore if you have any logistics questions, please be ready to ask them     (1K2S)

as soon as you get online, and before we mute everyone!     (1K2T)

anonymous morphed into EdDodds     (1K2U)

anonymous morphed into AndrewNicklin     (1K2V)

PeterYim: Hi Andrew!     (1K2W)

anonymous morphed into JoelNatividad     (1K2X)

PeterYim: Hi Joel, Hi Terry ... and everyone!     (1K2Y)

anonymous morphed into jgabriel     (1K2Z)

jgabriel: Hi everyone!     (1K2AA)

JoelNatividad: Howdy everyone!     (1K2AB)

anonymous morphed into DeirdreLee     (1K2AC)

anonymous1 morphed into HasanSayani     (1K2AD)

anonymous morphed into JeanneHolm     (1K2AE)

anonymous morphed into DavidMason & MarieJeanMeurs     (1K2AF)

anonymous1 morphed into SamiBaig     (1K2AG)

DavidMason & MarieJeanMeurs: hey all     (1K2AH)

JesseWang: Hi, all! Good morning, afternoon, evening!     (1K2AI)

SamiBaig: Hi all     (1K2AJ)

anonymous morphed into chrismusialek     (1K2AK)

anonymous morphed into TomTinsley     (1K2AL)

anonymous1 morphed into EdDodds     (1K2AM)

anonymous1 morphed into sdupd_glenn     (1K2AN)

JackPark: Hi     (1K2AO)

PeterYim: == JeanneHolm presenting the intro slides now ...     (1K2AP)

anonymous morphed into BobLojek     (1K2AQ)

PeterYim: == ChrisMusialek presenting ...     (1K2AR)

JeanneHolm: ChrisMusialek is now presenting Empowering City Developers with Federal Data. Slides can     (1K2AS)

be downloaded at the session page (above)     (1K2AT)

JesseWang: what is the search engine used in data.gov? did you develop your own text/query     (1K2AU)

analyzer/parser?     (1K2AV)

JeanneHolm: Jesse--we are using Bing as the search engine as part of USA.gov's search capability.     (1K2AW)

one of the things we all want to improve on Data.gov is the search capability. It's currently     (1K2AX)

limited by both the complexity of the queries you can build, as well as the fact that it only     (1K2AY)

searches the metadata of the data tool or dataset. We are moving toward a federated model that would     (1K2AZ)

allow us to search the metadata or other attributes of the tools and data sources that are made     (1K2AAA)

accessible.     (1K2AAB)

JackRing: Has Data.gov calibrated the false positives and false negatives achieved with keywords?     (1K2AAC)

JeanneHolm: Jack--I'll have to check on the false positive and false negative calibration.     (1K2AAD)

anonymous morphed into DeniseWarzel     (1K2AAE)

DeirdreLee: Latest W3C Editor's draft of Data Catalog Vocabulary (dcat) (managed by W3C Government     (1K2AAF)

anonymous1 morphed into MarkDixon     (1K2AAH)

AndrewNicklin: Will data.gov look at third-party API key & rate management tools instead of rolling     (1K2AAI)

JeanneHolm: Andrew--Data.gov is definitely looking at third-party API tools and any emergent     (1K2AAK)

standards in this area. The intent is that we are a connector amongst a set of data of national     (1K2AAL)

interest, even beyond just the federal government.     (1K2AAM)

PeterYim: == AndrewNicklin presenting ...     (1K2AAN)

anonymous1 morphed into ElizabethFlorescu     (1K2AAO)

AndrewNicklin: The site I mentioned for NYC open data standards is http://www.nyc.gov/datastandards     (1K2AAP)

PeterYim: == JoelNatividad presenting ...     (1K2AAQ)

JackRing: What will be the relevance of Ward Cunningham's expedition into Federating wiki's?     (1K2AAR)

JackRing: Jeanne, Pls do clarify the FP-FN results because both are likely to be dismal.     (1K2AAS)

JeanneHolm: Jack--completely agree. Just need to verify what's been done.     (1K2AAT)

EdDodds: I saw a story about crowdfunding movies this a.m. (passer.by) and it got me thinking: are     (1K2AAU)

there any crowdfunded open data efforts anybody has heard of? Any fellowships sponsored by     (1K2AAV)

foundations?     (1K2AAW)

JeanneHolm: Ed--like a Kickstarter for open data? Interesting...     (1K2AAX)

DeborahMcGuinness: i like this idea and would be happy to point our students to such a call. I would     (1K2AAY)

also be willing to help sell such a message     (1K2AAZ)

EdDodds: Yes, I've seen a few stories proposing crowdfunding for investigative reporting     (1K2AAAA)

recently--haven't seen if they were actually successful     (1K2AAAB)

JackPark: @Jeanne, re federation: I will be giving a talk at a bigdata meetup with these slides     (1K2AAAC)

JeanneHolm: Jack--Very interesting presentation. Is the meeting open for others to attend?     (1K2AAAE)

JackRing: Jeanne, when you are ready to escape the limits of key words and rapidly assay data with     (1K2AAAF)

respect to large, complex, interconnected cominatorial networks I will be happy to offer some     (1K2AAAG)

insights. Long buried in highly classified systems but now patented in soon to be implemented in a     (1K2AAAH)

chip equivalent to 3,600 microprocessors on a grid.     (1K2AAAI)

JackPark: @Jeanne, afaik it's sold out but contact me jackpark[at]topicquests.org -     (1K2AAAJ)

JeanneHolm: Thanks Jack.     (1K2AAAL)

JackRing: @JackPark, I think your slides evidence great work. Thank you. Pls consider joining us at     (1K2AAAM)

the Symposium in July at San Jose, particularly the Sunday workshop. http://isss.org/world/index.php     (1K2AAAN)

JackPark: @JackRing I would love to attend isss but it's just not in the budget; my friend Judith     (1K2AAAO)

Rosen is giving a tutorial I'd really like to attend. Your workshop, if it's open, I'll try to     (1K2AAAP)

attend. Many thanks     (1K2AAAQ)

JeanneHolm: Are there any questions for the speakers? We are about to go to question and answer...     (1K2AAAR)

PeterYim: when we start, we will ask people to click on their "hand" buttons (lower right) ... and     (1K2AAAS)

queue folks up for Q&A and remarks ... amke sure you test your voices first, and start by telling us     (1K2AAAT)

who you are.     (1K2AAAU)

DeirdreLee: I have to head out now, but thanks for lots of interesting presentations     (1K2AAAV)

JeanneHolm: Thanks Deirdre!     (1K2AAAW)

LeoObrst: Thanks all, must leave.     (1K2AAAX)

PeterYim: == open Q&A and discussion now ...     (1K2AAAY)

anonymous morphed into PavithraKenjige     (1K2AAAZ)

JeanneHolm: PeterYim: Presentations were fantastic. Congratulations to federal people who started     (1K2AAAAA)

the movement in opening up government data; to NY developers for providing open data; and to Joel     (1K2AAAAB)

and everyone who provided technology in helping Joel's app stand out from the crowd.     (1K2AAAAC)

JeanneHolm: PeterYim: Next week's discussion will focus on the technical details of implementing     (1K2AAAAD)

some of these solutions.     (1K2AAAAE)

JackRing: Is anyone concerned with cybersecurity/privacy?     (1K2AAAAF)

AndrewNicklin: JackRing: there are two aspects to our approach to security. First is not letting out     (1K2AAAAG)

sensitive info (comparatively easy); Second is - potentially - evaluating whether our data, when     (1K2AAAAH)

combined with outside information poses more risks.     (1K2AAAAI)

sdupd_glenn: We'd love to see some case studies of municipal opendata in order to pitch to     (1K2AAAAJ)

management the benefits of a public-facing GIS system coupled with ERP data (merged visually with     (1K2AAAAK)

other public data)     (1K2AAAAL)

sdupd_glenn: a lot of our staff understands the potential of all this, but are unable to articulate     (1K2AAAAM)

its benefit to the higher ups who control the purse     (1K2AAAAN)

JeanneHolm: Are challenges a good way to get developers to focus on and consume government data? Are     (1K2AAAAO)

there better ways?     (1K2AAAAP)

JeanneHolm: JoelNatividad responded: The first time we submitted to a challenge was just to do     (1K2AAAAQ)

something with our partners. The second time was really to accomplish something. It wasn't about the     (1K2AAAAR)

money, but the recognition and ability to build something useful was what drew us.     (1K2AAAAS)

sdupd_glenn: sdupd_glenn: For the private sector, yes. For public agencies, the challenge is how to     (1K2AAAAT)

incentivize the action of making data public in the first place     (1K2AAAAU)

MikeBennett: I have to go now - thanks for great presentations     (1K2AAAAV)

JeanneHolm: Thanks Mike!     (1K2AAAAW)

EdDodds: It might be that the start up weekend or hackathon model of drawing everyone together     (1K2AAAAX)

geographically for 48 hours (though I much prefer virtual innovation clusters such as Ontolog) might     (1K2AAAAY)

be a tactic, especially if you could find sponsorships from firms who are likely to consume the     (1K2AAAAZ)

data, add their own and make a profit.     (1K2AAAAAA)

EdDodds: Nonprofits, community foundations, united way types also stand to benefit and could have     (1K2AAAAAB)

skin in the game     (1K2AAAAAC)

JoelNatividad: And to Ed's point, that is what we want to do at Ontodia. We want to collaborate Open     (1K2AAAAAD)

Data with all kinds of databases, both public and private.     (1K2AAAAAE)

JoelNatividad: And do what Bloomberg did for Finance data, and do it for Open Data.     (1K2AAAAAF)

JeanneHolm: Ed--The hackathon model is good, but as you point out it's really important to have a     (1K2AAAAAG)

business model that brings those ideas to a sustainable service.     (1K2AAAAAH)

AndrewNicklin: @JeanneHolm, EdDodds: in terms of sustainability, we've also (informally,     (1K2AAAAAI)

unofficially) considered tiering access to our services such that the costs of operating open data     (1K2AAAAAJ)

platform can be recovered from high-volume commercial users.     (1K2AAAAAK)

TerryLongstreth: @JeanneHolm - I agree that sustainability needs to be considered. Moreover, data     (1K2AAAAAL)

ages quickly, and there's little in today's talks about maintaining data qualilty and timeliness     (1K2AAAAAM)

JoelNatividad: @TerryLongstreth, in NYCFacets, that's why we derived "extrametadata" to characterize     (1K2AAAAAN)

and score each dataset     (1K2AAAAAO)

AndrewNicklin: @TerryLongstreth that's why automation is really important.     (1K2AAAAAP)

EdDodds: @JeanneHolm, all: strenuously agree. Caveat: just because something *should* be valuable     (1K2AAAAAQ)

doesn't mean the market has "eyes to see" at the time a product is launched     (1K2AAAAAR)

JoelNatividad: [in our "extrametadata"] we score it along freshness, sparseness, uniqueness, no of     (1K2AAAAAS)

downloads, views, etc., and we plan to make the scoring algorithm transparent and not opaque, so     (1K2AAAAAT)

publishers can respond; and in the future, we do plan to do time series as well, but not yet.     (1K2AAAAAU)

JoelNatividad: @TerryLongstreth, we're actively tracking the wikidata effort and will sync up with     (1K2AAAAAV)

JoelNatividad: so "facts" and unstructured free form text are separated     (1K2AAAAAX)

anonymous1: In regards to competitions concerning opengov-- Chicago recently held a contest to     (1K2AAAAAY)

encourage app development and recieved a toyal of 60 submissions. Chicago's he open data portal     (1K2AAAAAZ)

stats include:     (1K2AAAAAAA)

328 datasets 470,000+ embeds 1000 + user views 50+ apps     (1K2AAAAAAB)

EdDodds: Toronto's @buzzdata tries to socialize static data sets (streams too maybe?) marketing,     (1K2AAAAAAC)

news gathering, conferences, higher education all could benefit; but I think until we get a mass of     (1K2AAAAAAD)

aggregated micropayments for data feeds the challenge to fund will continue     (1K2AAAAAAE)

JackPark: Great conference. Many thanks to the speakers.!     (1K2AAAAAAF)

KingsleyIdehen: Please upload the slides to slideshare etc..     (1K2AAAAAAG)

JeanneHolm: @Kingsley the slides are at     (1K2AAAAAAH)

KingsleyIdehen: @JeanneHolm: I've seen the presentations, but just suggesting slideshare for broader     (1K2AAAAAAJ)

audience etc..     (1K2AAAAAAK)

EdDodds: + 1 Kingsley     (1K2AAAAAAL)

JoelNatividad: We will upload the nycfacets overview to slideshare as well     (1K2AAAAAAM)

EdDodds: There may be a few up at http://www.slideshare.net/eddodds/ already     (1K2AAAAAAN)

JackPark: A thought: having slides up at slideshare means they can be viewed without downloading.     (1K2AAAAAAO)

sdupd_glenn: slideshare, yes please     (1K2AAAAAAP)

sdupd_glenn: Can I please suggest that someone or agency put together a series of webinars for     (1K2AAAAAAQ)

agencies that know opendata is crucial but cannot get C-suite or management approval to get an     (1K2AAAAAAR)

opendata program started in the first place (all of us local municipalities and districts)!     (1K2AAAAAAS)

PeterYim: thank you all, great session!     (1K2AAAAAAT)

JoelNatividad: Thanks everyone! Special mention to Peter for all the great work to make this     (1K2AAAAAAU)

SamiBaig: Thank you all!     (1K2AAAAAAW)

anonymous morphed into lisa h     (1K2AAAAAAX)

sdupd_glenn: we local municipalities feel like we get to applaud the state and federal efforts but     (1K2AAAAAAY)

have no funding or champions to help us get off the ground. We can't participate without your help!     (1K2AAAAAAZ)

JeanneHolm: @sdupd_glenn I'm happy to help out with providing discussions on the value of open data     (1K2AAAAAAAA)

to cities and municipalities. Part of Cities.Data.gov (coming soon!) will be to do that as well.     (1K2AAAAAAAB)

Feel free to reach out to me at jholm@jpl.nasa.gov     (1K2AAAAAAAC)

sdupd_glenn: JeanneHolm: Great I'd love to discuss with your team. We've been in touch with you     (1K2AAAAAAAD)

already via Barbara Moreno     (1K2AAAAAAAE)

PeterYim: come back, same time next week, when we will cover the technical aspects of the same     (1K2AAAAAAAF)

subject next Thursdau (May-17)     (1K2AAAAAAAG)

PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:18am PDT --     (1K2AAAAAAAH)

-- end of in-session chat-transcript --     (1K2AAAAAAAI)

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  • Join us, same time next week, when we will feature a sequel to today's session. Next Thursday's (2012.05.17) session is entitled: "Implementing 'Big Open Data' in government through Open Collaboration" - case examples and possibilities" where we will spend a bit more time on the technical details, and expose the community on some of the state-of-the-art in implementations.     (1L9)

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