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Ontology Summit 2014: Review and Follow-up Action Planning ("postmortem") Session - Thu 2014-05-15

• Summit Theme: OntologySummit2014: "Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology"

• Session Topic: "Postmortem" - Review and Follow-up Action Planning Session

• Session Co-chairs: Professor Michael Grüninger and Dr. LeoObrst

Agenda / Briefings:

• Professor Michael Grüninger & Dr. LeoObrst - "OntologySummit2014: Reflections and Follow-ups" . [ slides ]
• Dr. Ram D. Sriram & Professor TimFinin - "OntologySummit2014_Symposium: Reflections and thoughts for the Future" . [ no slides ]
• "Analytics: Ontology Summit 2014 in Numbers" - Peter P. Yim & Amanda Vizedom [ numbers ] [ charts ]
• ALL - Discussion-1: "postmortem and follow-ups for OntologySummit2014"
• ALL - Discussion-2: "Ideas and Suggestions for our Next OntologySummit"

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Abstract

OntologySummit2014: ("postmortem") Review and Follow-up Action Planning Session - slides

With the adjournment of the OntologySummit2014_Symposium (on 29-Apr-2014) we have completed the program of this year's OntologySummit. This has been our 9th Ontology Summit, that featured a host of events spanning four months, and jointly organized by Ontolog, NIST, NCOR, NCBO, IAOA & NCO_NITRD, with the championship from our organizing committee members and support of our co-sponsors. The theme adopted for this Ontology Summit was: "Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology."

The event today is our virtual postmortem session. We will be expecting participants of this year's summit, especially members of the organizing team, as well as anyone interested in the process or content of past and future Ontology Summits, at this session.

The goal of this session is to revisit the Ontology Summit that just finished, and to plan ahead for the future. We will discuss what worked and what can be improved during the 4 months of Ontology Summit 2014 (plus the preparation work that led up to it,) and get ideas on how to make next year's Ontology Summit even better. This meeting gives us an opportunity to develop some plans and initiatives for action that will move what we have achieved beyond the 4-month Summit itself. Further, this meeting also provides an initial opportunity to suggest topics and themes for our next OntologySummit.

See also: OntologySummit (home page for the summit series) and document your thoughts at: OntologySummit/Suggestions

Agenda Ideas

• Review what worked and what didn't this year
• Good ideas, suggestions and possible action that arose
• Follow-up Action planning with ...
  • the Communique, journal paper(s) and other write-ups, spreading the word ... getting more endorsements
  • initiatives along the same theme, that will be pursued by the community beyond this Summit
  • other potential collaborative project team-ups ... especially to extend from the Hackathon-Clinics projects
  • Getting the word out
• Suggestions (e.g. themes, process, people) for Ontology Summit 2015
• ... (please insert below, anything else you may suggest)

Agenda

Ontology Summit 2014 - Postmortem Session

• Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call

• 1. Summary report and reflections on the Ontology Summit 2014 (General Co-chairs) - Michael Grüninger & Leo Obrst (10 min. each) ... slides

• 2. Summary report and reflections on the OntologySummit2014_Symposium (Symposium Co-chairs) - Ram D. Sriram & Tim Finin (15 min.)

• 3. Ontology Summit 2014 and OntologySummit(s) in Numbers & Charts - Peter P. Yim & Amanda Vizedom ... (15 min)

• 4. Open discussion-I: postmortem and follow-ups for Ontology Summit 2014 - Moderator: Leo Obrst & Michael Grüninger - All ... (20 min) ref. process above
  • what went well and what could be improved?
  • follow-up activities ...

• 5. Open discussion-II: Ideas and Suggestions for our Next Ontology Summit - Moderator: Michael Grüninger & Leo Obrst - All ... (30 min)
  • ideas/suggestions for themes, process, people, ...
    • capture your thoughts in the chat now and (later) at: Suggestions for Ontology Summit 2014
  • anything else - follow-ups or in preparation for Ontology Summit 2015

• 6. Possibly extend the solicitation to endorse the Communique (which has supposedly closed on 2014.05.14; so more people who haven't already done so can join us)
  • see: OntologySummit2014_Communique ... endorsements instructions can be found near the top of that page. [consensus] Deadline extend! ... solicitation for endorsements will now close by end-of-day 15-Jun-2014

• 7. Recap Actions, Summary & Wrap-up - co-chairs: Leo Obrst & Michael Grüninger

Proceedings

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[8:51] Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the

Ontology Summit 2014: Review and Follow-up Action Planning ("postmortem") Session - Thu 2014-05-15

Summit Theme: Ontology Summit 2014: "Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology"

Session Topic: "Postmortem" - Review and Follow-up Action Planning Session

Session Co-chairs: Professor Michael Grüninger and Dr. Leo Obrst

AGENDA:

1. Summary and Reflections on Ontology Summit 2014 - General Co-chairs: Michael Grüninger & Leo Obrst

2. Summary and Reflections on the OntologySummit2014_Symposium - Sumposium co-chairs: Ram D. Sriram & Tim Finin

3. Ontology Summit 2014 and OntologySummit(s) in Numbers & Charts - Peter P. Yim & Amanda Vizedom

4. Open Discussion-I: postmortem and follow-ups for Ontology Summit 2014 - All

5. Open Discussion-II: Ideas and suggestion for our next Ontology Summit - All

6. AOB / Actions Items / Wrap-up - session co-chairs: Leo Obrst & Michael Grüninger

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Attendees: Alan Rector, Amanda Vizedom, Andrea Westerinen, BethDiGiulian, Brand Niemann, Carol Bean,

Christoph Lange, Ed Bernot, Francesca Quattri, Henson Graves, Leo Obrst, Marcela Vegetti, Matthew West,

Michael Grüninger, Mike Bennett, Mike Dean, Naicong Li, Peter P. Yim, Ram D. Sriram, Rokan Faruqui, Sunday Ojo,

Terry Longstreth, Tim Finin, Todd Schneider

Proceedings

[8:24] anonymous morphed into Rokan Faruqui

[9:34] anonymous morphed into Brand Niemann

[9:38] Ram D. Sriram: I am here, but I guess I am muted

[9:39] Leo Obrst: Ram: *7

[9:39] Peter P. Yim: == Michael Grüninger starts session on behalf of the co-chairs ... see slides under:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_05_15#nid4DET

[9:44] anonymous morphed into BethDiGiulian

[9:45] Brand Niemann: You did engage the 200_ members of the Federal Big Data Working Group Meetup:

http://www.meetup.com/Federal-Big-Data-Working-Group/ and I prepared input to your review and action

planning session today.

[9:48] Brand Niemann: You might consider becoming a Meetup: The world's largest network of local

groups to revitalize local community and help people around the world self-organize like MOOCs

(Massive Open On-line Classes) being considered by the White House. The Meetup.com collaboration

environment is very inexpensive.

[9:48] Leo Obrst: [further to the "Chair" slides] More generally: What were the successful aspects of

Ontology Summit 2014? What wasn't so successful? And how should we change these for Ontology Summit

2015? What do we need to add?

[9:49] Peter P. Yim: @Chairs - we have 23 on the conference bridge now, but only 19 on the chat now ...

(when you have a chance) please prompt those folks to join us in the chat-room

[9:51] Christoph Lange: Sorry for joining late; now catching up with the chat

[9:52] anonymous morphed into Carol Bean

[9:55] Terry Longstreth: Michael Grüninger slide 6: should mention topic of availability of

entry-level training - I believe part of the tension Michael mentions stems from lack of common

baselines. May need to explain dichotomy of ontology for human consumption/communication vs. machine

(essentially, an ontology as a computer program).

[9:56] Mike Bennett: @Terry +1 it feels that most available training material assumes that whichever

aspect of this is of interest to the trainer, is all there is. I may be being unfair there!

[9:58] Leo Obrst: @[9:55] Terry Longstreth: the IAOA SWAO SIG chairs have proposed a joint effort with

the IAOA Education Committee to provide a set of tutorials on ontologies, best practices for

ontological engineering, etc. -- and probably to be hosted on the IAOA web site, and thus be open to

all.

[10:02] Sunday Ojo: These three could be viewed as different levels of abstraction of same

application domain semantics.

[10:04] Mike Bennett: @Sunday indeed. Or separation of concerns, framed in terms of software

development methodologies. One workshop I have been involved with in the past focuses on use of

ontologies as "Conceptual Models" (in one sense of that word) for example. So I think we are saying

this an area of thinking that can be further developed and taken forward :)

[10:01] Brand Niemann: We have scheduled tutorials on ontologies and best practices for ontological

engineering for our June 2nd Meetup

[10:04] Todd Schneider: Brand, could provide the location of the 2 June MeetUp (for the DMV

participants).

[10:08] Brand Niemann: 8405 Greensboro Dr., Suite 930, McLean, VA 22102 and see details at:

http://www.meetup.com/Federal-Big-Data-Working-Group/

[9:54] Peter P. Yim: == The Symposium Co-chairs, Tim Finin & Ram D. Sriram, making some remarks to reflect on

the OntologySummit2014_Symposium

[9:58] Peter P. Yim: [pertinent to the remarks being made] see:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014_Symposium

[10:01] Peter P. Yim: kudos to Christi Kapp for the HUGE amount of work (and the quality she attained) in

post-processing the OntologySummit2014_Symposium material (especially the audio archives) ... see

that on the Symposium page under:

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014_Symposium#nid482S

[10:04] Peter P. Yim: also thanks to Ram D. Sriram for sharing with us the pictures, and a few video clips

he captured during the Symposium

[10:05] Michael Grüninger: RamSriram's idea: poster session at the Symposium

[10:20] Tim Finin: I suggested on the phone that we might try to present an overview of the Ontology

Summit (History and latest activities) at AAAI-15 ( http://bit.ly/15Aaai , Austin TX, Jan 25-29),

perhaps based on a senior member track summary paper ( http://bit.ly/1lkc5cd ) or an invitation from

the AI and the Web track (co-chaired by PascalHitzler)

[10:06] Peter P. Yim: == Peter P. Yim presenting on "OntologySummit2014 and OntologySummit(s) in Numbers" ...

[10:12] Amanda Vizedom: FWIW, I think that the Co-sponsors role experienced some shift in meaning

from last year.

[10:15] Amanda Vizedom: Comment on PeterYim's slide 10: Personally, my focus is on Advancement,

rather than Promotion, but I think that Advancement *requires* outreach - our conversations need to

continue to diversify.

[10:17] Leo Obrst: @[13:06] PeterYim's presentation (slide 10): Dedication of contributors: this will

be more important next year, when we will not have Peter's great support.

[10:16] Peter P. Yim: == Amanda Vizedom presenting on "OntologySummit2014 Analytics: some charts from Social Media" ...

[10:26] Matthew West: Sorry, arrived late, now leaving early.

[10:27] Amanda Vizedom: As of this moment, Ontology Summit 2014 on Google+ has 72 followers and 5,403

views on its posts.

[10:27] Peter P. Yim: == Open Discussion-I: postmortem and follow-ups for Ontology Summit 2014 - All

[10:27] Peter P. Yim: (recap from above) [9:48] Leo Obrst: More generally: What were the successful

aspects of Ontology Summit 2014? What wasn't so successful? And how should we change these for

Ontology Summit 2015? What do we need to add?

[9:49] Todd Schneider: Successful: Engaged a wider audience.

[9:50] Todd Schneider: Not so Successful: Didn't engage the targeted communities to the extent expected.

[10:36] Brand Niemann: I want to give praise for the keynotes since I have to leave and thought they

were the most valuable to the Big Data Community I am involved with as follows: I have followed up with

all four of your principal speakers to their requests for additional information on our work as follows:

George Strawn: Research objects as digital objects:

http://semanticommunity.info/Data_Science/Big_Data_Science_for_CODATA/Data_Science_Journal and

http://semanticommunity.info/Data_Science/Data_Science_for_VIVO

Farnam Jahanian: NSF Big Data Publications:

http://semanticommunity.info/Data_Science/NSF_Big_Data_Publications#Story and

http://semanticommunity.info/Data_Science/NSF_Funding_Opportunities_in_Data_Science

Philip Bourne: Data Publications in Data Browsers:

http://semanticommunity.info/Data_Science/Data_Culture_at_the_NIH

Daniel Kaufman (and Paul Cohen): June 2nd Meetup on Reading & Reasoning with Semantic Insights for

the DARPA Big Mechanism:

http://semanticommunity.info/Data_Science/A_Data_Science_Big_Mechanism_for_DARPA#Story

George Strawn challenged us to find another (Semantic Medline on YarcData being the first) best practice

example of Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology, or as we like to say Big Data with

Semantic Web and Applied Ontology. The one we selected is the new Climate Change Impacts in the

United States Report and Web Site, which also happens to be for his boss John Holdren, the

Presidents Science Advisor!

Our work in progress is at:

http://semanticommunity.info/Data_Science/Data_Science_for_Climate_Change#Story This is certainly

Big Data and use of the Semantic Web and Applied Ontology: http://data.globalchange.gov/resources

which we are building on to make this a Data Publication in a Data Browser.

This work is the subject of future Meetups and we hope there are future Applied Ontology Summits on

this subject: Big Data with Semantic Web and Applied Ontology.

[10:28] Michael Grüninger: === What were the successful aspects of the Tracks?

[10:22] Christoph Lange: Summary of my input: it's difficult to strike a balance between making

co-organizers aware that their "continuous" (not exactly, but pretty much) commitment throughout the

summit "season" is needed, and between still keeping it attractive for newcomers to join the

organization team. There were several occasions where I had not exactly been aware that another

input (usually slides reporting on something) were due. It was all in Peter's emails but sometimes

had escaped my attention. But don't get me wrong, I enjoyed very much being a first-time track

champion.

[10:26] Mike Bennett: @Christoph [10:22] that's how it more or less is for all of us. I sometimes

think we would not get as much done if we realized in advance what we were getting ourselves into.

Peter has always struck the ideal balance of encouraging, expecting and patiently awaiting stuff.

[10:31] Amanda Vizedom: Good responsiveness of Track content to community input and ongoing

conversations.

[10:33] Michael Grüninger: Track champions did a great job of synthesis

[10:32] Amanda Vizedom: I agree with Michael: Tracks did good job with synthesis this year.

[10:34] Peter P. Yim: Matthew West: [input via an earlier email] I thought the summit was good,

illustrating the value of/need for lightweight approaches to ontology. Our track, Track C -

Bottlenecks, struggled a bit because of how diverse the track turned out to be.

[10:35] Amanda Vizedom: The tracks were more coherent and useful to overall picture this year than

last. That's not a dig at last year's track leads. It may be more a lesson in the consequences of

how tracks are divided and defined. Last year's track boundaries turned out not to be so clear, this

year's were better.

[10:36] Marcela Vegetti: Amanda Vizedom [10:35] +1

[10:38] Ram D. Sriram: I would like to reiterate Tim's comments on the tracks, i.e., it would be nice to

have a summary insight on each track. [context: Tim Finin suggested that track reports during the

Symposium, especially those remotely presented, could improve by sharing insights than just

describing what had transpired from the virtual sessions. =ppy]

[10:35] anonymous morphed into Francesca Quattri

[10:43] Christoph Lange: Summary of my point (made verbally): where track champions "synthesize"

specific points from panelists' presentations into the communique, I'd say the track champions

assume responsibility for, at least, the factual correctness of these citations. They should also

give the panelists (plus, as appropriate, other community members) the chance to review the

synthesis before it's finalized.

[10:43] Amanda Vizedom: ++ for PeterYim's point: It is very important, and should be clear that track

champions will be responsible for engaging speakers in their areas.

[10:44] Peter P. Yim: @[10:43] Amanda Vizedom ... Yes, that was the point made by Christoph Lange, but

additionally, it is also useful and important that track champions be made responsible for engaging

the communities that revolve around their track focus

[10:37] Michael Grüninger: === What went well with the Communique?

[10:38] Christoph Lange: Collaborative commenting in Google Docs worked well.

[10:38] Peter P. Yim: I personally think that this is the best communique we have had so far

[10:39] Todd Schneider: I think Leo and Michael did a very nice job of weaving the materials from the

tracks into a coherent story.

[10:39] BethDiGiulian: I was amazed at how quickly the Communique was compiled and ready for

distribution. Great job.

[10:40] Andrea Westerinen: I felt that the communique reflected Track A's synthesis, not as a copy

but as a continuation and incorporation of our thinking. Also, the ability to contribute to the

communique, cooperatively, was great.

[10:43] Michael Grüninger: === What went well with the Hackathon? How can we improve the Hackathon?

[10:47] Ram D. Sriram: Hackathons were great, but it would have been better if we had a strong

connection to the theme of the summit.

[10:51] Terry Longstreth: @[10:47] Ram D. Sriram - beyond adhering to the theme, encourage greater

participation of Hackathon-actors with other parts of summit.

[10:47] Amanda Vizedom: Good thing: Hackathon did bring in a wider spread of people ... true of some

other aspects of summit as well

[10:48] Amanda Vizedom: Less good: Not Semantic Web / Big Data - driven as much as would have been

good.

[10:49] Andrea Westerinen: Good thing: Some of the hackathon subjects were directly related to the

subject of the Summit.

[10:50] Amanda Vizedom: Good thing: we engaged more people in the hackathon, and summit generally,

including people outside of the applied ontology core.

[10:50] Peter P. Yim: a couple of personal regrets were that we weren't able to involve IBM:Watson and

Google:knowledge-graph or schema.org work into the hackathons (both of which actually would have

lend themselves well to such activities) ... we tried, though.

[10:52] Andrea Westerinen: Less bad: Some of the hackathon projects were not really related to the

subject of the Summit. This might have splintered the participants, detracting from the more

subject-oriented projects.

[10:53] Mike Bennett: @Andrea agreed, but as a counter to that we did have someone come on to our

Hackathon who had been on one of the other hackathons - so it might be a good means to get people

engaged?

[10:56] Andrea Westerinen: @MikeBennett [10:53] Your experience could enforce my point since you

might have had additional participation from the beginning. :-)

[10:57] Mike Bennett: @Andrea [10:56] maybe - but this was someone from Russia who might not have

known of the Summit other than through having participated in the Hackathon over there? It might

work both ways I think. We should certainly think of the hackathons as part of the engagement model,

but make the topics more focused on the Summit themes.

[10:58] Andrea Westerinen: @MikeBennett [10:57] +1

[10:54] Amanda Vizedom: Less good: That engagement wasn't that deep. It didn't drive as much as we

would have liked. The projects weren't so much framed by the experiences of people who were first

and foremost Semantic Web / Big Data users / consumers of ontologies.

[10:54] Leo Obrst: More direct connection of individual hackathons to specific tracks? Or not?

[10:54] Andrea Westerinen: @LeoObrst, +1 although cross-track is also very valuable.

[10:54] Michael Grüninger: We might want to start Hackathon planning as soon as the Tracks are

determined

[10:54] Mike Bennett: I agree with Michael's idea to start planning and thinking of themes for

Hackathon alongside the tracks i.e. at the beginning - rather than treating it as a "track" in its

own right. Would help better alignment to the overall Summit themes without necessarily need to

align 1:1 with actual tracks.

[10:59] Amanda Vizedom: It would be extremely valuable to have hackathon co-organizer(s) who are

deeply in the partner communities *and* have time and desire to be very active about bringing those

communities insights and efforts into play.

[10:56] Michael Grüninger: === What well with the website, mailing list, and other online resources?

[10:58] Christoph Lange: connection dropping; will continue typing

[10:58] Christoph Lange: @others, please go ahead

[10:59] Francesca Quattri: One thing that could maybe be addressed is how to better manage the email

flow that the Summit brings with it every year. I remember Peter when he mentioned to us that

actually a lot of Association members do ask to be put off the list due to that overflow

[11:04] Francesca Quattri: maybe people kind of feel discouraged or overwhelmed by that amount of

emails coming in daily

[(subsequent)] Peter P. Yim comment: people 'leaving' were usually caused by the exchange losing focus,

and not just a result of traffic volume. Moderation by track champions are helping tremendously.

[11:00] Peter P. Yim: I still think the "community library" notion has been (and will continue to be) a

really good thing (I disagree with Amanda about it not being "worth it") ... the later contribution

from JeiBao & Li Ding, their automated aggregation (ref.

http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2014-05/msg00005.html ) if combined with the Zotero

library would be great!

[11:01] Andrea Westerinen: Perhaps have a dedicated person to add links to the library. As a track

co-chair, I ran out of time to update the library.

[11:04] Peter P. Yim: @[11:01] Andrea Westerinen, +1

[11:01] Amanda Vizedom: RE: AndreaWesterenin's specific thought about other people sending emails or

sending links or heads-up to a dedicated library maintainer: I did request that, at an early point,

both last year and this year (before switching roles). It didn't happen.

[11:01] Mike Bennett: I agree that the Library was a Good Thing - based on last year's experience.

The issue this year was that although it is quite easy to use, none of us had quite the bandwidth to

think of going there and putting things in it. Maybe whoever is the full time web person should also

keep the Library afloat.

[11:04] Terry Longstreth: I agree with Amanda's point that the populating of libraries should be part

of the process of creating material for the summit; whether presentations, reports, hackathon

results or ancillary material.

[11:00] Christoph Lange: In the beginning I had a hard time finding my way on the

http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014/GettingOrganized page. There was a lot of

content, for example, IIRC, two sections with schedules of phone calls, one tentative, one more

concrete. I do agree with PeterYim's point that old content should be archived, but I found it hard

to see "the latest state of affairs" at a glance. OTOH I'm sure this comment will soon be obsolete

with PSMW.

[11:02] Christoph Lange: I was done anyway; I typed what I wanted to say at [11:00]

[11:06] Amanda Vizedom: IMHO, it would make a big difference if we had all of our online resource

infrastructure in place before the Summit launch. Working on it and/or shifting it while underway

uses a lot of resources (i.e., takes resources that might be going into the live-action content of

the summit) and confuses people.

[11:02] Tim Finin: I'll have to drop off for a meeting. Tim

[11:05] Michael Grüninger: == Open Discussion-II: Ideas and suggestion for our next Ontology Summit ...

[11:05] Michael Grüninger: === What can we add to the Summit to improve it?

[11:05] BethDiGiulian: I have to drop off as well. Just want to say that I found the Summit to be

extremely well run. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." You had great key notes, good community

involvement, clear agendas, good summaries. To me, more explanation about the goals for outcomes of

the summit would be good, and you are correct - encourage birds of a feather sessions and consider

poster sessions. Thanks!

[11:06] Peter P. Yim: @[11:05] BethDiGiulian - Thanks, Beth

[11:07] Amanda Vizedom: General Note: Laurent Lefort could not make today's session, but provided

input via a Google+ post, which can be found here:

https://plus.google.com/+LaurentLefort/posts/dwaMCcpH7Tp

[11:09] Mike Bennett: Not sure how to address this but it's hard to estimate how Peter manages to

motivate people to do things e.g. I wasn't going to even do a hackathon. We need some new mechanism

for communicating expectations and encouragement to participants who are generally working on a

hundred other things.

[11:10] Ram D. Sriram: I like Leo's idea of putting together a book volume, with additional web

pointers.

[11:11] Ram D. Sriram: I am logging off.

[11:14] Leo Obrst: Additional products for the Ontology Summit? E.g., the IAOA SWAO SIG hopes to

continue the themes of this Summit beyond the AO article. Perhaps a dedicated issue of a journal

with the themes of the summit, i.e., invite everyone to submit papers addressing aspects of the

themes? Perhaps a follow-on book? Why? Because the Ontology Summit involves such a huge amount of

input by very many people that it is a shame to not enable the contributions to be

refined/elaborated into a larger snapshot.

[11:15] Mike Bennett: @Leo 11:14 +1 to that idea - will be good to get presenters and others involved

to submit short papers building on what they presented, hacked etc.

[11:20] Andrea Westerinen: @All Since we have previously discussed the time commitments involved in

participating in the Summit, how do we reconcile that with writing/reviewing/editing papers?

[11:18] Peter P. Yim: I like ToddSchneider's idea of doing the book as part of the next summit, but also

agree with Michael Grüninger that writing a book with a "crowd" is just daunting ... how about a

small number of people starts writing the book and get it to a stage that we can engage the Summit

community to review/critique/improve/get-buyin on that, to result in the "definitive book on

Ontology Engineering" as the deliverable

[11:20] Todd Schneider: Peter, could the small crowd be the IAOA SIG?

[11:21] Peter P. Yim: sure ... I could imagine an optional "small crowd" to be the size of 1 to 3,

though (not a committee) ... but that's for IAOA (or the SIG) to decide, if they were to champion it

[11:21] Amanda Vizedom: + For Book idea: a main shortcoming of most instructional materials,

overviews, and tutorials out there is that they are *either* over-fitted to a specific use (without

documenting that or how it affects things) *or* they are so high level as to make practical

application difficult. Well-focused critical interaction of the sort the Summit can offer is very

good for exorcizing those sorts of problems. [I do agree, also, that the project is quite daunting.]

[11:32] Christoph Lange: @AmandaVizedom [11:21]: What makes it difficult to write a practical book

about ontology engineering in general is the variety of ontology _languages_. I guess we wouldn't

want to limit ourselves to, say, OWL. But a proper introduction of a _few_ relevant languages (e.g.,

CL, too) is challenging. Also it's a question how much of the logics background to include.

[11:36] Amanda Vizedom: Christoph Lange [14:32] It is certainly too much to cover all languages. There

are editorial decisions to be made. And some will have to be tentatively made ahead of time, to be

potentially shredded and re-made but summit folks. But considerable fundamentals can be introduced

prior to introduction of any languages, then illustrated in several, for example.

[11:20] Mike Bennett: Sorry folks I have to drop off now.

[11:22] Peter P. Yim: Michael Grüninger: === possible topics for Next Year

[11:22] from the Co-chairs slide#7: * The Discipline Ontological Engineering ** Best Practices *

Retrospective on previous Summits - where are we now?

[11:24] Leo Obrst: Thought: given the range of our past Ontology Summit themes, could consider a

chapter of a book on ontological engineering on each theme.

[11:25] Peter P. Yim: not just the text book, but the "education" that is needed to train enough "good

ontologists" for the impending market

[11:24] Todd Schneider: Peter, I've found no evidence that IBM is looking for ontologists (as a full

time position).

[11:25] Peter P. Yim: @Todd: my "IBM looking for ontologists" is only a metaphor

[11:26] Peter P. Yim: Michael Grüninger / Leo Obrst: === extending the Communique Endorsement deadline

[9:52] Todd Schneider: Should extend communique endorsements until at least the beginning of June.

[9:52] Amanda Vizedom: Last year's extension of endorsement period was partly intended to allow

endorsements after presentation at SemTech. Do same for Ram's talk?

[9:53] Todd Schneider: Amanda, definitely.

[11:33] Peter P. Yim: fyi Ram's presentation (on OntologySummit2014) will be at ASE Conference on Big

Data Science and Computing is May 27~31 (at Stanford, CA)

[11:27] Leo Obrst: Extend the date for Communique endorsements? Next steps for planning the future.

[11:27] Todd Schneider: No objections: Extend to at least 1 June 2014.

[11:32] Terry Longstreth: Make it two weeks after Ram presents

[11:31] Todd Schneider: 15 June is okay.

[11:32] Andrea Westerinen: 15 June is okay.

[11:32] [consensus] Communique endorsements now extended to 15-Jun-2014

[11:33] Peter P. Yim: [action] Leo Obrst will make another round of Communique Endorsement solicitations

to the suite of relevant community lists that he is subscribed to

[11:30] Amanda Vizedom: Suggestion: Not just mailing lists. Post the solicitation for endorsements

also to Semantic Web / big data / ontology related groups on LinkedIn, Google+, etc.

[11:36] Michael Grüninger: [consensus] First meeting for the Organizing Committee of Ontology Summit

2015 will be October 2, 2014

[11:37] Peter P. Yim: great session!

[11:37] Christoph Lange: Thank you all, and thanks Peter P. Yim once more for running this summit!

[11:37] Andrea Westerinen: Yes, thank you for a great summit.

[11:37] Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 11:34am PDT --

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Attendees

• Attended:
  • Michael Grüninger (co-chair)
  • Leo Obrst (co-chair)
  • Ram D. Sriram
  • Tim Finin
  • Peter P. Yim
  • Francesca Quattri
  • Christi Kapp
  • Rokan Faruqui
  • Ed Bernot
  • BethDiGiulian
  • Marcela Vegetti
  • Todd Schneider
  • Amanda Vizedom
  • Matthew West
  • Alan Rector
  • Andrea Westerinen
  • Brand Niemann
  • Carol Bean
  • Christoph Lange
  • Francesca Quattri
  • Henson Graves
  • Mike Bennett
  • Mike Dean
  • Naicong Li
  • Ram D. Sriram
  • Sunday Ojo
  • Terry Longstreth
  • Todd Schneider

• Expecting:
  • ...
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• Regrets:
  • Matthew West (most likely can't make it; input)
  • Ken Baclawski
  • Laurent Lefort (regrets; input)
  • ...