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2. Events
 
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* Finance and ontology event in Summer 2019 (joint with others - how can SWAO help?)
 
* Shared events calendar - next steps
 
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5. Next Meeting
 
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== Proceedings ==
 
== Proceedings ==
  
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[13:33] MikeBennett:
  
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== Attendees ==
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1.Housekeeping
  
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IAOA Membership and Joining
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SIG Website(s) and wiki - what's where now that the official site is in place?   
 +
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2.Events   
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Recent events: JOWO, FOIS   
 +
 +
Finance and ontology event in Summer 2019 (joint with others - how can SWAO help?)   
 +
 +
Shared events calendar - next steps   
 +
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3.Discussion of new initiatives   
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There is still seemingly a significant gulf between Applied Ontology and Semantic Web perceptions of ontology; how can this SIG work to bridge the gap, identify commonalities etc.?   
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4.AOB   
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5.Next Meeting
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[13:35] MikeBennett: Housekeeping
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[13:36] MikeBennett: Web page(s): We now have a link to the SWAO wiki from the IAOA page - no left-over pages to worry about.
 +
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[13:36] MikeBennett: Membership:
 +
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[13:36] MikeBennett: is now working, per email that was sent out.
 +
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[13:36] MikeBennett: 2 methods exist:
 +
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[13:36] MikeBennett: Europe: bank transfer
 +
 +
[13:37] MikeBennett: Anywhere elsewhere: PayPal only.
 +
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[13:37] MikeBennett: Credit cards are not about to be offered, as this is expensive (monthly charges high for the number of payments involved).
 +
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[13:38] MikeBennett: Cheques or money orders? No plans in place.
 +
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[13:38] MikeBennett: You do not need a PayPal account to pay via PayPal - any charge card can be used.
 +
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[13:39] MikeBennett: So all this is all in place.
 +
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[13:40] MikeBennett: Missing: when you join it does not automatically give you access to the Member Area for the IAOA website.
 +
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[13:40] MikeBennett: KB is working on the code for that.
 +
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[13:41] MikeBennett: Any other questions on Housekeeping?
 +
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[13:46] MikeBennett: Possible F2F Meeting Oslo, February 2019. This is an IOF meeting.
 +
 +
[13:46] MikeBennett: There is some interest from eg Nicola and Stefano to show up there. And others.
 +
 +
[13:46] MikeBennett: Information to follow shortly.
 +
 +
[13:46] MikeBennett: Todd will forward this information to the
 +
 +
[13:47] MikeBennett: to the SWAO mailing list when available.
 +
 +
[13:49] MikeBennett: Shared calendar - we can pass our information along from the shared calendar, to the person who maintains the main IAOA calendar. First we need to update this for 2019.
 +
 +
[13:50] MikeBennett: Other events of note:
 +
 +
[13:50] MikeBennett: There is another semantic conference in the US - not replacing the SemTech from Dataversity.
 +
 +
[13:50] MikeBennett: Seems to be US Semantic something Symposium.
 +
 +
[13:50] MikeBennett: to be added to the Shared calendar.
 +
 +
[13:51] KenBaclawski: Here is the US Semantic Technologies website: http://us2ts.org/2019/
 +
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[13:52] Andrea Westerinen: US Semantic Technologies Symposium, http://us2ts.org/2019/
 +
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[13:54] MikeBennett: Finance event Summer 2019
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[13:54] MikeBennett: MB: Keen on common concept ontology for finance.
 +
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[13:55] MikeBennett: TS: Also the IOF initiative could do with input on finance and contracts.
 +
 +
[13:55] MikeBennett: MB: Realist v Conceptualist may be an issue for finance, at least if IOF requires a realist stance.
 +
 +
[13:56] MikeBennett: Whether or not this is an issue, is not really clear. May be issues around agency.
 +
 +
[13:57] MikeBennett: There has been no formal decision in IOF about what the upper ontology is. TS recommends use of DOLCE there also.
 +
 +
[13:57] MikeBennett: Event is also an area of interest.
 +
 +
[13:58] MikeBennett: See also paper by Nicola and Stefano on situations (reference to be found).
 +
 +
[13:59] MikeBennett: Can we therefore bring any work done on finance at IOF into the summer Finance event - if any done by then.
 +
 +
[13:59] MikeBennett: So the event...
 +
 +
[13:59] MikeBennett: Potential for using North Eastern as a venue.
 +
 +
[13:59] MikeBennett: However, NE change for the rooms. So a 9 - 5 workshop is US $360 per day.
 +
 +
[14:00] MikeBennett: If there is an outside group with someone in the uni sponsoring it, these are the rates. With no internal NE sponsor, it is 2x that.
 +
 +
[14:01] MikeBennett: Ken would not be able to be a sponsor but does think we would be able to find a sponsor internally.
 +
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[14:01] MikeBennett: 3rd option would be if it was an 'internal' event.
 +
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[14:01] MikeBennett: What does 'internal' mean?
 +
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[14:01] MikeBennett: KB: e.g. if an external organization like the EDM Council were involved it would be external.
 +
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[14:02] MikeBennett: In a recent one, conference charged a fee.
 +
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[14:03] MikeBennett: Would e.g the IAOA or this SWAO SIG count as an outside group?
 +
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[14:03] MikeBennett: They would.
 +
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[14:03] MikeBennett: Whats been decided so far?
 +
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[14:04] MikeBennett: Was brought up at the EC meeting. NE was offered, but others also being looked at.
 +
 +
[14:04] MikeBennett: Would also co-locate with JOWO to give 4 days for 4 rooms. 16 room days.
 +
 +
[14:05] MikeBennett: Assume there would be some fee, as there has been for JOWO.
 +
 +
[14:05] MikeBennett: Also need for snacks. No formal requirement to use the University's own caterer.
 +
 +
[14:07] MikeBennett: How many people would there be?
 +
 +
[14:08] MikeBennett: Why 4 rooms?
 +
 +
[14:08] MikeBennett: This was what was suggested at the EC meeting.
 +
 +
[14:08] MikeBennett: At 20 persons per room this would be $280 per person.
 +
 +
[14:10] MikeBennett: NE has dormitories for accommodation. These have been well reviewed.
 +
 +
[14:11] MikeBennett: In Boston, need to carefully avoid any week when there is a major sports event e.g. the Red Sox.
 +
 +
[14:13] MikeBennett: Can someone get hold of the Red Sox fixtures calendar and identify dates to avoid.
 +
 +
[14:13] MikeBennett: Separately, there are also constraints on the availability of rooms at NE itself, due to other event they hold.
 +
 +
[14:15] MikeBennett: So... is this something the SWAO could be helping to organize?
 +
 +
[14:16] MikeBennett: It is certainly something that can have a SWAO component to it. Others are looking at other venues.
 +
 +
[14:16] MikeBennett: Conclusion: If it is with the NE venue, this group can help organize, logistics etc.
 +
 +
[14:21] MikeBennett: SWAO Mission: the perceived disconnect between SemWeb (OWL applications) and Applied Ontologies still exists. How do we try to address that.
 +
 +
[14:22] MikeBennett: Also see Ed Ctee list of terms e.g. for 'ontology' (see also Ontolog conversions right now).
 +
 +
[14:22] MikeBennett: Starting point: what is an ontology.
 +
 +
[14:23] MikeBennett: Can we have some framework that sets out these distinctions?
 +
 +
[14:24] MikeBennett: MB: Need conceptual models that are explicit, to have an audit.
 +
 +
[14:25] MikeBennett: Actions:
 +
 +
[14:25] MikeBennett: Look up the definition for 'ontology' in the IAOA thing
 +
 +
[14:25] MikeBennett: Define what is a 'conceptual model'?
 +
 +
[14:25] MikeBennett: Add a definition for that.
 +
 +
[14:26] MikeBennett: Intent of the Term list is not to provide analysis of the terms but provide the notions and links to the sources for those.
 +
 +
[14:28] MikeBennett: We need to have clear intensional definition of the concepts of things like 'ontology' and 'conceptual mode' and the rest - even as simple written intentions for now (later turn into an ontology?
 +
 +
[14:29] MikeBennett: There is a terms list on IAOA - no link to it from the current IAOA page. It still exists - being run by Maria Keet at UCT.
 +
 +
[14:30] MikeBennett: Ken please add a link to Maria's IAOA terms list from the IAOA site. The page is available.
 +
 +
[14:31] MikeBennett: Someone send Ken the link to that.
 +
 +
[14:31] MikeBennett: Also what to do with that material?
 +
 +
[14:32] MikeBennett: Can also start blogging again about the distinctions between these things.
 +
 +
[14:32] MikeBennett: Also the EC is looking at Wikipedia.
 +
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[14:34] MikeBennett: MB to introduce Michael Gruninger and Ken B to any other contacts we can think of in the Boston area.
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[14:34] KenBaclawski: http://www.damore-mckim.northeastern.edu/faculty-and-research/academic-groups/finance/finance-conference
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[14:36] MikeBennett: Also some good potential cross-over with the CDO group that meets in Boston
 +
 +
[14:38] MikeBennett: Also potential to tap in to the network of connections that NE already has - per the above link
 +
 +
[14:39] MikeBennett: There were also some folks interested in FIBO a while ago who contacted Ken. Maybe pass the info on to MB if it surfaces again.
 +
 +
[14:39] MikeBennett: KB can contact people in the Finance Group and see who would be interested.
 +
 +
[14:39] MikeBennett: There is also an Accounting school. Very highly rated.
 +
 +
[14:40] MikeBennett: Bringing up an accounting dimension would open up some interesting avenues for this event, specifically in XBRL and in REA. For example, on semantics for accounting concepts.
 +
[14:41] MikeBennett: How soon before we know if any of the other venues being looked at for the summer event, are still in play?
 +
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[14:42] Andrea Westerinen: Sorry but I have another meeting coming up as well.
 +
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[14:42] Andrea Westerinen: Bye
 +
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[14:42] MikeBennett: Also maybe talk to the folks involved with the MITIQ conference on data quality (some finance cross-over at these).
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== Attendees ==
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* [[AndreaWesterinen|Andrea Westerinen]]
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* [[Christopher Spottiswoode|Christopher Spottiswoode]]
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* [[KenBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]]
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* [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]
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* [[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]]
  
 
== Next Meetings ==
 
== Next Meetings ==

Latest revision as of 15:34, 4 October 2018

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Number 59
Duration 1 hour
Date/Time October 1 2018 17:30 GMT
10:30 PDT/1:30pm EDT
6:30pm BST/7:30pm CEST
Convener Mike Bennett

IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology (SWAO) SIG     (2)

Meetings are normally on the first Monday of the month at these times.     (3)


Contents

[edit] Agenda     (5)

1. Housekeeping     (5A)

  • IAOA Membership and Joining     (5B)
  • SIG Website(s) and wiki - what's where now that the official site is in place?     (5C)

2. Events     (5D)

  • Recent events: JOWO, FOIS     (5E)
  • Finance and ontology event in Summer 2019 (joint with others - how can SWAO help?)     (5F)
  • Shared events calendar - next steps     (5G)

3. Discussion of new initiatives     (5H)

  • There is still seemingly a significant gulf between Applied Ontology and Semantic Web perceptions of ontology; how can this SIG work to bridge the gap, identify commonalities etc.?     (5I)

5. Next Meeting     (5K)

[edit] Proceedings     (6)

[13:33] MikeBennett:     (6A)

1.Housekeeping     (6B)

IAOA Membership and Joining     (6C)

SIG Website(s) and wiki - what's where now that the official site is in place?     (6D)

2.Events     (6E)

Recent events: JOWO, FOIS     (6F)

Finance and ontology event in Summer 2019 (joint with others - how can SWAO help?)     (6G)

Shared events calendar - next steps     (6H)

3.Discussion of new initiatives     (6I)

There is still seemingly a significant gulf between Applied Ontology and Semantic Web perceptions of ontology; how can this SIG work to bridge the gap, identify commonalities etc.?     (6J)

5.Next Meeting     (6L)

[13:35] MikeBennett: Housekeeping     (6M)

[13:36] MikeBennett: Web page(s): We now have a link to the SWAO wiki from the IAOA page - no left-over pages to worry about.     (6N)

[13:36] MikeBennett: Membership:     (6O)

[13:36] MikeBennett: is now working, per email that was sent out.     (6P)

[13:36] MikeBennett: 2 methods exist:     (6Q)

[13:36] MikeBennett: Europe: bank transfer     (6R)

[13:37] MikeBennett: Anywhere elsewhere: PayPal only.     (6S)

[13:37] MikeBennett: Credit cards are not about to be offered, as this is expensive (monthly charges high for the number of payments involved).     (6T)

[13:38] MikeBennett: Cheques or money orders? No plans in place.     (6U)

[13:38] MikeBennett: You do not need a PayPal account to pay via PayPal - any charge card can be used.     (6V)

[13:39] MikeBennett: So all this is all in place.     (6W)

[13:40] MikeBennett: Missing: when you join it does not automatically give you access to the Member Area for the IAOA website.     (6X)

[13:40] MikeBennett: KB is working on the code for that.     (6Y)

[13:41] MikeBennett: Any other questions on Housekeeping?     (6Z)

[13:46] MikeBennett: Possible F2F Meeting Oslo, February 2019. This is an IOF meeting.     (6AA)

[13:46] MikeBennett: There is some interest from eg Nicola and Stefano to show up there. And others.     (6AB)

[13:46] MikeBennett: Information to follow shortly.     (6AC)

[13:46] MikeBennett: Todd will forward this information to the     (6AD)

[13:47] MikeBennett: to the SWAO mailing list when available.     (6AE)

[13:49] MikeBennett: Shared calendar - we can pass our information along from the shared calendar, to the person who maintains the main IAOA calendar. First we need to update this for 2019.     (6AF)

[13:50] MikeBennett: Other events of note:     (6AG)

[13:50] MikeBennett: There is another semantic conference in the US - not replacing the SemTech from Dataversity.     (6AH)

[13:50] MikeBennett: Seems to be US Semantic something Symposium.     (6AI)

[13:50] MikeBennett: to be added to the Shared calendar.     (6AJ)

[13:51] KenBaclawski: Here is the US Semantic Technologies website: http://us2ts.org/2019/     (6AK)

[13:52] Andrea Westerinen: US Semantic Technologies Symposium, http://us2ts.org/2019/     (6AL)

[13:54] MikeBennett: Finance event Summer 2019     (6AM)

[13:54] MikeBennett: MB: Keen on common concept ontology for finance.     (6AN)

[13:55] MikeBennett: TS: Also the IOF initiative could do with input on finance and contracts.     (6AO)

[13:55] MikeBennett: MB: Realist v Conceptualist may be an issue for finance, at least if IOF requires a realist stance.     (6AP)

[13:56] MikeBennett: Whether or not this is an issue, is not really clear. May be issues around agency.     (6AQ)

[13:57] MikeBennett: There has been no formal decision in IOF about what the upper ontology is. TS recommends use of DOLCE there also.     (6AR)

[13:57] MikeBennett: Event is also an area of interest.     (6AS)

[13:58] MikeBennett: See also paper by Nicola and Stefano on situations (reference to be found).     (6AT)

[13:59] MikeBennett: Can we therefore bring any work done on finance at IOF into the summer Finance event - if any done by then.     (6AU)

[13:59] MikeBennett: So the event...     (6AV)

[13:59] MikeBennett: Potential for using North Eastern as a venue.     (6AW)

[13:59] MikeBennett: However, NE change for the rooms. So a 9 - 5 workshop is US $360 per day.     (6AX)

[14:00] MikeBennett: If there is an outside group with someone in the uni sponsoring it, these are the rates. With no internal NE sponsor, it is 2x that.     (6AY)

[14:01] MikeBennett: Ken would not be able to be a sponsor but does think we would be able to find a sponsor internally.     (6AZ)

[14:01] MikeBennett: 3rd option would be if it was an 'internal' event.     (6AAA)

[14:01] MikeBennett: What does 'internal' mean?     (6AAB)

[14:01] MikeBennett: KB: e.g. if an external organization like the EDM Council were involved it would be external.     (6AAC)

[14:02] MikeBennett: In a recent one, conference charged a fee.     (6AAD)

[14:03] MikeBennett: Would e.g the IAOA or this SWAO SIG count as an outside group?     (6AAE)

[14:03] MikeBennett: They would.     (6AAF)

[14:03] MikeBennett: Whats been decided so far?     (6AAG)

[14:04] MikeBennett: Was brought up at the EC meeting. NE was offered, but others also being looked at.     (6AAH)

[14:04] MikeBennett: Would also co-locate with JOWO to give 4 days for 4 rooms. 16 room days.     (6AAI)

[14:05] MikeBennett: Assume there would be some fee, as there has been for JOWO.     (6AAJ)

[14:05] MikeBennett: Also need for snacks. No formal requirement to use the University's own caterer.     (6AAK)

[14:07] MikeBennett: How many people would there be?     (6AAL)

[14:08] MikeBennett: Why 4 rooms?     (6AAM)

[14:08] MikeBennett: This was what was suggested at the EC meeting.     (6AAN)

[14:08] MikeBennett: At 20 persons per room this would be $280 per person.     (6AAO)

[14:10] MikeBennett: NE has dormitories for accommodation. These have been well reviewed.     (6AAP)

[14:11] MikeBennett: In Boston, need to carefully avoid any week when there is a major sports event e.g. the Red Sox.     (6AAQ)

[14:13] MikeBennett: Can someone get hold of the Red Sox fixtures calendar and identify dates to avoid.     (6AAR)

[14:13] MikeBennett: Separately, there are also constraints on the availability of rooms at NE itself, due to other event they hold.     (6AAS)

[14:15] MikeBennett: So... is this something the SWAO could be helping to organize?     (6AAT)

[14:16] MikeBennett: It is certainly something that can have a SWAO component to it. Others are looking at other venues.     (6AAU)

[14:16] MikeBennett: Conclusion: If it is with the NE venue, this group can help organize, logistics etc.     (6AAV)

[14:21] MikeBennett: SWAO Mission: the perceived disconnect between SemWeb (OWL applications) and Applied Ontologies still exists. How do we try to address that.     (6AAW)

[14:22] MikeBennett: Also see Ed Ctee list of terms e.g. for 'ontology' (see also Ontolog conversions right now).     (6AAX)

[14:22] MikeBennett: Starting point: what is an ontology.     (6AAY)

[14:23] MikeBennett: Can we have some framework that sets out these distinctions?     (6AAZ)

[14:24] MikeBennett: MB: Need conceptual models that are explicit, to have an audit.     (6AAAA)

[14:25] MikeBennett: Actions:     (6AAAB)

[14:25] MikeBennett: Look up the definition for 'ontology' in the IAOA thing     (6AAAC)

[14:25] MikeBennett: Define what is a 'conceptual model'?     (6AAAD)

[14:25] MikeBennett: Add a definition for that.     (6AAAE)

[14:26] MikeBennett: Intent of the Term list is not to provide analysis of the terms but provide the notions and links to the sources for those.     (6AAAF)

[14:28] MikeBennett: We need to have clear intensional definition of the concepts of things like 'ontology' and 'conceptual mode' and the rest - even as simple written intentions for now (later turn into an ontology?     (6AAAG)

[14:29] MikeBennett: There is a terms list on IAOA - no link to it from the current IAOA page. It still exists - being run by Maria Keet at UCT.     (6AAAH)

[14:30] MikeBennett: Ken please add a link to Maria's IAOA terms list from the IAOA site. The page is available.     (6AAAI)

[14:31] MikeBennett: Someone send Ken the link to that.     (6AAAJ)

[14:31] MikeBennett: Also what to do with that material?     (6AAAK)

[14:32] MikeBennett: Can also start blogging again about the distinctions between these things.     (6AAAL)

[14:32] MikeBennett: Also the EC is looking at Wikipedia.     (6AAAM)

[14:34] MikeBennett: MB to introduce Michael Gruninger and Ken B to any other contacts we can think of in the Boston area.     (6AAAN)

[14:36] MikeBennett: Also some good potential cross-over with the CDO group that meets in Boston     (6AAAP)

[14:38] MikeBennett: Also potential to tap in to the network of connections that NE already has - per the above link     (6AAAQ)

[14:39] MikeBennett: There were also some folks interested in FIBO a while ago who contacted Ken. Maybe pass the info on to MB if it surfaces again.     (6AAAR)

[14:39] MikeBennett: KB can contact people in the Finance Group and see who would be interested.     (6AAAS)

[14:39] MikeBennett: There is also an Accounting school. Very highly rated.     (6AAAT)

[14:40] MikeBennett: Bringing up an accounting dimension would open up some interesting avenues for this event, specifically in XBRL and in REA. For example, on semantics for accounting concepts. [14:41] MikeBennett: How soon before we know if any of the other venues being looked at for the summer event, are still in play?     (6AAAU)

[14:42] Andrea Westerinen: Sorry but I have another meeting coming up as well.     (6AAAV)

[14:42] Andrea Westerinen: Bye     (6AAAW)

[14:42] MikeBennett: Also maybe talk to the folks involved with the MITIQ conference on data quality (some finance cross-over at these).     (6AAAX)

[edit] Attendees     (7)

[edit] Next Meetings     (8)

[edit] Previous Meetings     (9)

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