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| Number | 57 |
|---|---|
| Duration | 1 hour |
| Date/Time | August 6 2018 17:30 GMT |
| 10:30 PDT/1:30pm EDT | |
| 6:30pm BST/7:30pm CEST | |
| Convener | Mike Bennett |
IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology (SWAO) SIG
(2)
Meetings are normally on the first Monday of the month at these times.
(3)
Contents |
1. Housekeeping
(5A)
2. Events
(5B)
3. Discussion of new initiatives
(5C)
4. AOB
(5D)
5. Next Meeting
(5E)
[13:37] Mike Bennett: IAOA membership
(6A)
[13:38] Mike Bennett: Previously Ken iterated a thing we could do without waiting for the web, but it also sounded that the proper fix was imminent so some of us never did that thing.
(6B)
[13:38] Mike Bennett: KB is experience database issues so the thing is still not up.
(6C)
[13:38] Mike Bennett: database design lacks semantics? Institution and regular members represented in the same (DB) Table.
(6D)
[13:39] Mike Bennett: Whereas institutions have a representative in the same representative.
(6E)
[13:39] Mike Bennett: Mb and the Semantic Shed crowd (and even FIBO) have a good ontology for this kind of thing.
(6F)
[13:39] Mike Bennett: Names were mentioned.
(6G)
[13:40] Mike Bennett: The semantics of the CB does not distinguish between parthood and membership.
(6H)
[13:40] Mike Bennett: Also the interface is a bit insecure.
(6I)
[13:40] Mike Bennett: So summary: not done yet. KB still removing vulnerabilities.
(6J)
[13:40] Mike Bennett: Why not use a triple store and ontology?
(6K)
[13:41] Mike Bennett: Reasons. Original designer not in a position to take this on.
(6L)
[13:41] Mike Bennett: Meanwhile how to join?
(6M)
[13:41] Mike Bennett: Use Paypal.
(6N)
[13:41] Mike Bennett: The account name is...
(6O)
[13:42] Mike Bennett: Previously ()when in Italy) there was a fee on the recipient so this method was not allowed.
(6P)
[13:43] Mike Bennett: This may or may not still be the case.
(6Q)
[13:44] Mike Bennett: To use Paypal, please treasurer@iaoa.org - put that email address where it is asked for and it should go through.
(6S)
[13:44] Mike Bennett: No need for recipient name and address details.
(6T)
[13:45] Mike Bennett: What is the fee for one year?
(6U)
[13:45] Mike Bennett: EUR 50.00
(6V)
[13:46] Mike Bennett: This varies for countries with different development levels e.g. Yemen.
(6W)
[13:46] Mike Bennett: The table of these countries is still on the website?
(6X)
[13:48] Mike Bennett: Yes.
(6Y)
[13:48] Mike Bennett: Other agenda items?
(6Z)
[13:48] Mike Bennett: IOF meeting 2 weeks ago in Buffalo: Proposed next F2F would be held in Norway in Feb 2019.
(6AA)
[13:48] Mike Bennett: People here might be interested in attending.
(6AB)
[13:49] Mike Bennett: One of the ontologies needed to support the IOF is aspects of finance - may need to build upon FIBO concepts e.g. Contracts, POs etc.
(6AC)
[13:49] Mike Bennett: People have mentioned the use of FIBO but others have noted this is too complicated. Need someone who can pick out the pieces and yet be consistent with FIBO.
(6AD)
[13:49] Mike Bennett: Aiming for modular ontologies.
(6AE)
[13:53] Mike Bennett: MB: the Semantic Shed is working on just such an ontology, for business and commerce, based around REA.
(6AF)
[13:53] Mike Bennett: This work is based explicitly on a concept-centric (not Realist) ontological stance, unlike BFO.
(6AG)
[13:54] Mike Bennett: TS is writing the Technical Principles guide. Will circulate when more complete.
(6AH)
[13:56] Mike Bennett: MB clarifies that the concept-centric nature of the Shed and pre-FIBO work is incompatible with the BFO stance, even if the concepts may be mappable.
(6AI)
[13:56] Mike Bennett: We also use polyhierarchy.
(6AJ)
[13:59] Mike Bennett: BFO forbids polyhierarchy only for one kind of class (asserted classes or something, versus define classes where it is allowed). FIBO/Shed etc. insists upon it, at the level of high level 'Archetypes'.
(6AK)
[13:59] Mike Bennett: BFO uses the notion of 'notion' as distinct from 'concept'.
(6AL)
[14:00] Mike Bennett: Most of those involved have only been indoctrinated.
(6AM)
[14:01] Mike Bennett: ... in BFO.
(6AN)
[14:01] Mike Bennett: IOF will support Common Logic (Gruninger and Katsumi).
(6AO)
[14:05] Mike Bennett: these are all issues to understand in model driven development and in financial matters.
(6AP)
[14:07] Mike Bennett: KB did a tutorial on ontologies in [something]. People wanted to see the philosophical aspects. KB includes the philosophical view of upper ontologies and then talk to the practical implications pf this.
(6AQ)
[14:07] Mike Bennett: Next: Cape Town FOIS
(6AR)
[14:07] Mike Bennett: Meeting were curious as to whether SWAO will have SIG meeting there?
(6AS)
[14:07] Mike Bennett: who will be there?
(6AT)
[14:07] Mike Bennett: Mike Bennett
(6AU)
[14:07] Mike Bennett: no-one else in this group.
(6AV)
[14:08] Mike Bennett: We could meet remotely. Schedule a session and see who comes.
(6AW)
[14:08] Mike Bennett: Agenda for that meeting?
(6AX)
[14:08] Mike Bennett: 1. Going over what this SWAO is about, what we have done, what we plan to do, call for volunteers.
(6AY)
[14:09] Mike Bennett: 2. See 1.
(6AZ)
[14:09] Mike Bennett: There are some SIGs that only meet at FOIS.
(6AAA)
[14:09] Mike Bennett: Consensus: We will have such a meeting.
(6AAB)
[14:10] Mike Bennett: Check with Frank Loebe as the main contact to talk about [this]
(6AAC)
[14:10] Mike Bennett: where [this] = the logistics for such a call.
(6AAD)
[14:10] Mike Bennett: This will take place Wed, Thur or Friday (Monday and Tuesday unavailable).
(6AAE)
[14:11] Mike Bennett: Any other Agenda ideas please mail to Mike Bennett.
(6AAF)
[14:11] Mike Bennett: Dates are Sept 17 - 21. so dates for the SIG would be 19 - 21.
(6AAG)
[14:12] Mike Bennett: Time difference is 6 hours ahead of EDT.
(6AAH)
[14:13] Mike Bennett: Not Friday.
(6AAI)
[14:13] Mike Bennett: 9am EDT is possible.
(6AAJ)
[14:14] Mike Bennett: Discourage Friday. Wed or Thursday.
(6AAK)
[14:15] Mike Bennett: Next agenda item: what do we want our next project or activit(ies) to be, or do we use the FOIS meeting to determine that.
(6AAL)
[14:15] Mike Bennett: We will do that.
(6AAM)
[14:16] Mike Bennett: Also discuss our attempt to hold a Workshop. Given that this did not happen.
(6AAN)
[14:16] Mike Bennett: Agenda item for this FOIS meeting: Whether to propose a JOWO workshop next year?
(6AAO)
[14:18] Mike Bennett: JOWO = Joint Ontology Workshops.
(6AAP)
[14:18] Mike Bennett: This was joint between a number of workshops e.g. Onto.com that decided to come together.
(6AAQ)
[14:19] Mike Bennett: JOWO is also a kind of statue apparently. In a temple. Personally blessed by the Buddha.
(6AAR)
[14:20] Mike Bennett: KB also references some of JFS's references to early ontologies in Buddhism and elsewhere. Also Lao Tze.
(6AAS)
[14:23] Mike Bennett: This kind of framing and positioning (concept ontology etc.) forms a strong framing of what this SWAO SIG is about - make this a basis for the September meeting and presentations in Cape Town.
(6AAT)
[14:25] Mike Bennett: AoB
(6AAU)
[14:26] Mike Bennett: What should the next Ontology Summit topic be? (SWAO view as a contribution on this)
(6AAV)
[14:26] Mike Bennett: Ontology Visualization and tools?
(6AAW)
[14:26] Mike Bennett: Bringing in IOF and semantic technologies for Systems Engineering group into these activities (for Summit; also an idea for SWAO?)
(6AAX)
[14:27] Mike Bennett: TS can send an email to Mike G who is also contributing to the IOF effort.
(6AAY)
[14:27] Mike Bennett: Also some possible ideas coming out of OMG e.g. in concept ontology modeling and the like.
(6AAZ)
[14:27] Mike Bennett: Next Meeting:
(6AAAA)
[14:28] Mike Bennett: 10 September (3 Sept is US Labor Day)
(6AAAB)
