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{| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin-left: 10px;" border="1" cellpadding="10" |- ! scope="row" | Number | [[sequence::57]] |- ! scope="row" | Duration | [[duration::1 hour]] |- ! scope="row" rowspan="3" | Date/Time | [[has date::August 6 2018 17:30 GMT]] |- | 10:30 PDT/1:30pm EDT |- | 6:30pm BST/7:30pm CEST |- ! scope="row" | Convener | [[convener::MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]] |} '''IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology (SWAO) SIG''' Meetings are normally on the first Monday of the month at these times. * We will use GoToMeeting for this meeting - details at [[ConnectionDetailsGTM|Connection Details]] == Agenda == 1. Housekeeping 2. Events 3. Discussion of new initiatives 4. AOB 5. Next Meeting == Proceedings == [13:37] Mike Bennett: IAOA membership [13:38] Mike Bennett: Previously Ken iterated a thing we could do without waiting for the web, but it also sounded that the proper fix was imminent so some of us never did that thing. [13:38] Mike Bennett: KB is experience database issues so the thing is still not up. [13:38] Mike Bennett: database design lacks semantics? Institution and regular members represented in the same (DB) Table. [13:39] Mike Bennett: Whereas institutions have a representative in the same representative. [13:39] Mike Bennett: Mb and the Semantic Shed crowd (and even FIBO) have a good ontology for this kind of thing. [13:39] Mike Bennett: Names were mentioned. [13:40] Mike Bennett: The semantics of the CB does not distinguish between parthood and membership. [13:40] Mike Bennett: Also the interface is a bit insecure. [13:40] Mike Bennett: So summary: not done yet. KB still removing vulnerabilities. [13:40] Mike Bennett: Why not use a triple store and ontology? [13:41] Mike Bennett: Reasons. Original designer not in a position to take this on. [13:41] Mike Bennett: Meanwhile how to join? [13:41] Mike Bennett: Use Paypal. [13:41] Mike Bennett: The account name is... [13:42] Mike Bennett: Previously ()when in Italy) there was a fee on the recipient so this method was not allowed. [13:43] Mike Bennett: This may or may not still be the case. [13:43] ToddSchneider: Here's a free triple store: http://parliament.semwebcentral.org/ [13:44] Mike Bennett: To use Paypal, please treasurer@iaoa.org - put that email address where it is asked for and it should go through. [13:44] Mike Bennett: No need for recipient name and address details. [13:45] Mike Bennett: What is the fee for one year? [13:45] Mike Bennett: EUR 50.00 [13:46] Mike Bennett: This varies for countries with different development levels e.g. Yemen. [13:46] Mike Bennett: The table of these countries is still on the website? [13:48] Mike Bennett: Yes. [13:48] Mike Bennett: Other agenda items? [13:48] Mike Bennett: IOF meeting 2 weeks ago in Buffalo: Proposed next F2F would be held in Norway in Feb 2019. [13:48] Mike Bennett: People here might be interested in attending. [13:49] Mike Bennett: One of the ontologies needed to support the IOF is aspects of finance - may need to build upon FIBO concepts e.g. Contracts, POs etc. [13:49] Mike Bennett: People have mentioned the use of FIBO but others have noted this is too complicated. Need someone who can pick out the pieces and yet be consistent with FIBO. [13:49] Mike Bennett: Aiming for modular ontologies. [13:53] Mike Bennett: MB: the Semantic Shed is working on just such an ontology, for business and commerce, based around REA. [13:53] Mike Bennett: This work is based explicitly on a concept-centric (not Realist) ontological stance, unlike BFO. [13:54] Mike Bennett: TS is writing the Technical Principles guide. Will circulate when more complete. [13:56] Mike Bennett: MB clarifies that the concept-centric nature of the Shed and pre-FIBO work is incompatible with the BFO stance, even if the concepts may be mappable. [13:56] Mike Bennett: We also use polyhierarchy. [13:59] Mike Bennett: BFO forbids polyhierarchy only for one kind of class (asserted classes or something, versus define classes where it is allowed). FIBO/Shed etc. insists upon it, at the level of high level 'Archetypes'. [13:59] Mike Bennett: BFO uses the notion of 'notion' as distinct from 'concept'. [14:00] Mike Bennett: Most of those involved have only been indoctrinated. [14:01] Mike Bennett: ... in BFO. [14:01] Mike Bennett: IOF will support Common Logic (Gruninger and Katsumi). [14:05] Mike Bennett: these are all issues to understand in model driven development and in financial matters. [14:07] Mike Bennett: KB did a tutorial on ontologies in [something]. People wanted to see the philosophical aspects. KB includes the philosophical view of upper ontologies and then talk to the practical implications pf this. [14:07] Mike Bennett: Next: Cape Town FOIS [14:07] Mike Bennett: Meeting were curious as to whether SWAO will have SIG meeting there? [14:07] Mike Bennett: who will be there? [14:07] Mike Bennett: Mike Bennett [14:07] Mike Bennett: no-one else in this group. [14:08] Mike Bennett: We could meet remotely. Schedule a session and see who comes. [14:08] Mike Bennett: Agenda for that meeting? [14:08] Mike Bennett: 1. Going over what this SWAO is about, what we have done, what we plan to do, call for volunteers. [14:09] Mike Bennett: 2. See 1. [14:09] Mike Bennett: There are some SIGs that only meet at FOIS. [14:09] Mike Bennett: Consensus: We will have such a meeting. [14:10] Mike Bennett: Check with Frank Loebe as the main contact to talk about [this] [14:10] Mike Bennett: where [this] = the logistics for such a call. [14:10] Mike Bennett: This will take place Wed, Thur or Friday (Monday and Tuesday unavailable). [14:11] Mike Bennett: Any other Agenda ideas please mail to Mike Bennett. [14:11] Mike Bennett: Dates are Sept 17 - 21. so dates for the SIG would be 19 - 21. [14:12] Mike Bennett: Time difference is 6 hours ahead of EDT. [14:13] Mike Bennett: Not Friday. [14:13] Mike Bennett: 9am EDT is possible. [14:14] Mike Bennett: Discourage Friday. Wed or Thursday. [14:15] Mike Bennett: Next agenda item: what do we want our next project or activit(ies) to be, or do we use the FOIS meeting to determine that. [14:15] Mike Bennett: We will do that. [14:16] Mike Bennett: Also discuss our attempt to hold a Workshop. Given that this did not happen. [14:16] Mike Bennett: Agenda item for this FOIS meeting: Whether to propose a JOWO workshop next year? [14:18] Mike Bennett: JOWO = Joint Ontology Workshops. [14:18] Mike Bennett: This was joint between a number of workshops e.g. Onto.com that decided to come together. [14:19] Mike Bennett: JOWO is also a kind of statue apparently. In a temple. Personally blessed by the Buddha. [14:20] Mike Bennett: KB also references some of JFS's references to early ontologies in Buddhism and elsewhere. Also Lao Tze. [14:23] Mike Bennett: This kind of framing and positioning (concept ontology etc.) forms a strong framing of what this SWAO SIG is about - make this a basis for the September meeting and presentations in Cape Town. [14:25] Mike Bennett: AoB [14:26] Mike Bennett: What should the next Ontology Summit topic be? (SWAO view as a contribution on this) [14:26] Mike Bennett: Ontology Visualization and tools? [14:26] Mike Bennett: Bringing in IOF and semantic technologies for Systems Engineering group into these activities (for Summit; also an idea for SWAO?) [14:27] Mike Bennett: TS can send an email to Mike G who is also contributing to the IOF effort. [14:27] Mike Bennett: Also some possible ideas coming out of OMG e.g. in concept ontology modeling and the like. [14:27] Mike Bennett: Next Meeting: [14:28] Mike Bennett: 10 September (3 Sept is US Labor Day) == Attendees == * [[KenBaclawski|Ken Baclawski]] * [[MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]] * [[ToddSchneider|Todd Schneider]] == Next Meetings == {{#ask: [[Category:IAOA_SWAO]] [[Category:Icom_conf_Conference]] [[has date::>>{{#show:{{PAGENAME}}|?has date}}]] |?| mainlabel=-|sort=has date |order=asc| format=ul| limit=3}} == Previous Meetings == {{#ask: [[Category:IAOA_SWAO]] [[Category:Icom_conf_Conference]] [[has date::<<{{#show:{{PAGENAME}}|?has date}}]] |?|mainlabel=-|sort=has date |order=desc| format=ul| limit=3}} [[Category:IAOA_SWAO| ]] [[Category:Icom_conf_Conference| ]] [[Category:Occurrence| ]]

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