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* '''Topic: "Ontologizing the Ontolog Body of Knowledge - Discussion Session 1 - Framing the Issues, Requirements and Approach"'''  
 
* '''Topic: "Ontologizing the Ontolog Body of Knowledge - Discussion Session 1 - Framing the Issues, Requirements and Approach"'''  
  
* '''Moderator:''' [[DeniseBedford]]
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* '''Moderator:''' DeniseBedford  
  
* '''Panelists:''' [[LisaColvin]] (Genentech), [[PatrickHeinig]] (EPA), [[EMichaelMaximilien]] (IBM), [[BobSmith]] (California State U / Tall Tree Labs) and [[PeterYim]] (Ontolog/CIM3)  
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* '''Panelists:''' LisaColvin (Genentech), PatrickHeinig (EPA), EMichaelMaximilien (IBM), BobSmith (California State U / Tall Tree Labs) and PeterYim (Ontolog/CIM3)  
  
 
* Ideas and preparation: see - /Prep  
 
* Ideas and preparation: see - /Prep  
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* Attended:  
 
* Attended:  
** [[ArturoSanchez]]
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** ArturoSanchez  
** [[PeterYim]]
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** PeterYim  
** [[RexBrooks]]
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** RexBrooks  
** [[PatrickDurusau]]
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** PatrickDurusau  
 
** Joy Tang (oneVillage)  
 
** Joy Tang (oneVillage)  
** [[LisaColvin]]
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** LisaColvin  
** [[DeniseBedford]]
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** DeniseBedford  
 
** Jakub Kotowski  
 
** Jakub Kotowski  
 
** [[BillMcCarthy]]  
 
** [[BillMcCarthy]]  
** [[JackPark]]
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** JackPark  
** [[PatrickHeinig]]
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** PatrickHeinig  
** [[ItzhakRoth]]
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** ItzhakRoth  
** [[BobSmith]]
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** BobSmith  
** [[KurtConrad]]
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** KurtConrad  
** [[PatCassidy]]
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** PatCassidy  
** [[EMichaelMaximilien]]
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** EMichaelMaximilien  
  
 
* Also Expected (those who may have joined us after the roll call):  
 
* Also Expected (those who may have joined us after the roll call):  
** [[NicolasRouquette]]
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** NicolasRouquette  
 
** Kathleen Chapman (Boeing)  
 
** Kathleen Chapman (Boeing)  
 
** Vinay Chaudhri (SRI)  
 
** Vinay Chaudhri (SRI)  
** [[KathleenEllis]]
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** KathleenEllis  
 
** James Werner (Boeing)  
 
** James Werner (Boeing)  
 
** Nancy Faget (GPO)  
 
** Nancy Faget (GPO)  
** [[MillsDavis]]
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** MillsDavis  
 
** [[DavidCMartin]]  
 
** [[DavidCMartin]]  
 
** Jack Gottsman (The Clarity Group)  
 
** Jack Gottsman (The Clarity Group)  
** Ho-Chun Ho (<nowiki>[[HoTech]] Corp.</nowiki>)  
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** Ho-Chun Ho (<nowiki>HoTech Corp.</nowiki>)  
 
** ...''(to register for participation, please add your name here or e-mail <peter.yim@cim3.com> so that we can reserve enough resources to support the session.)''...  
 
** ...''(to register for participation, please add your name here or e-mail <peter.yim@cim3.com> so that we can reserve enough resources to support the session.)''...  
  
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** Jim Wilson (KCX)  
 
** Jim Wilson (KCX)  
 
** John Bear  
 
** John Bear  
** [[SteveIhnen]]
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** SteveIhnen  
 
** Mary Keitelman (conflict)  
 
** Mary Keitelman (conflict)  
** [[JohnYoung]]
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** JohnYoung  
** [[PeterMika]]
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** PeterMika  
** [[DuaneNickull]] (traveling)  
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** DuaneNickull (traveling)  
 
** Ed Mayer  
 
** Ed Mayer  
** [[JonathanCheyer]]
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** JonathanCheyer  
** [[PeterBrown]] (conflict - will catch up on session recording)  
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** PeterBrown (conflict - will catch up on session recording)  
  
 
== Background  ==
 
== Background  ==
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* '''Pertinent Issues we might explore during this session''':  
 
* '''Pertinent Issues we might explore during this session''':  
** Some 'framing questions': (--[[DeniseBedford]] / 2006.04.17-06:57 EDT)  
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** Some 'framing questions': (--DeniseBedford / 2006.04.17-06:57 EDT)  
 
*** What content from Ontolog should be ontologized?  (content defined broadly - people, groups, email messages, conference call agendas, conference call transcripts/recordings, presentations, discussion threads, etc.)  
 
*** What content from Ontolog should be ontologized?  (content defined broadly - people, groups, email messages, conference call agendas, conference call transcripts/recordings, presentations, discussion threads, etc.)  
 
*** What content from outside Ontolog should be ontologized?  (content referenced but not created by the group...?, standards, conferences, research & development, other communities)  
 
*** What content from outside Ontolog should be ontologized?  (content referenced but not created by the group...?, standards, conferences, research & development, other communities)  
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* '''Moderator and Panelists' prepared slides or material''' (if there is any) can be accessed by pointing your web browsers to:  
 
* '''Moderator and Panelists' prepared slides or material''' (if there is any) can be accessed by pointing your web browsers to:  
 
** Slides to be presented during this session:  
 
** Slides to be presented during this session:  
*** '''[[DeniseBedford]] (Moderator) - Opening''' ... [[ConferenceCall_2006_04_13|slides from the 4/13/06 presentation]] ... [[ConferenceCall_2006_04_20|abstract]]  
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*** '''DeniseBedford (Moderator) - Opening''' ... [[ConferenceCall_2006_04_13|slides from the 4/13/06 presentation]] ... [[ConferenceCall_2006_04_20|abstract]]  
*** '''[[PeterYim]] - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontolog_Collaborative_Work_Environment--PeterYim_20060420.ppt The Ontolog Collaborative Work Environment - Our Community Knowledge Repository]''' ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontolog_Collaborative_Work_Environment--PeterYim_20060420.ppt slides] ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_04_20/Prep#nidMLY abstract]  
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*** '''PeterYim - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontolog_Collaborative_Work_Environment--PeterYim_20060420.ppt The Ontolog Collaborative Work Environment - Our Community Knowledge Repository]''' ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontolog_Collaborative_Work_Environment--PeterYim_20060420.ppt slides] ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_04_20/Prep#nidMLY abstract]  
*** '''[[LisaColvin]] - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Understanding-User-Roles--LisaColvin_20060420.ppt Understanding User Roles]''' ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Understanding-User-Roles--LisaColvin_20060420.ppt slides] ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_04_20/Prep#nidMLS abstract]  
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*** '''LisaColvin - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Understanding-User-Roles--LisaColvin_20060420.ppt Understanding User Roles]''' ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Understanding-User-Roles--LisaColvin_20060420.ppt slides] ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_04_20/Prep#nidMLS abstract]  
*** '''[[BobSmith]] - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/taxo-thesaurus-roadmap-sketch1--BobSmith_20060420.ppt A Roadmap for Ontolog's Thesaurus: Sketch 1]''' ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/taxo-thesaurus-roadmap-sketch1--BobSmith_20060420.ppt slides] ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_04_20/Prep#nidMLU abstract]  
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*** '''BobSmith - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/taxo-thesaurus-roadmap-sketch1--BobSmith_20060420.ppt A Roadmap for Ontolog's Thesaurus: Sketch 1]''' ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/taxo-thesaurus-roadmap-sketch1--BobSmith_20060420.ppt slides] ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_04_20/Prep#nidMLU abstract]  
*** '''[[PatrickHeinig]] - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Engineering_the_Value_Proposition--PatHeinig_20060420.ppt Engineering the Value Proposition]''' ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Engineering_the_Value_Proposition--PatHeinig_20060420.ppt slides] ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_04_20/Prep#nidMLQ abstract]  
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*** '''PatrickHeinig - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Engineering_the_Value_Proposition--PatHeinig_20060420.ppt Engineering the Value Proposition]''' ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Engineering_the_Value_Proposition--PatHeinig_20060420.ppt slides] ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_04_20/Prep#nidMLQ abstract]  
*** '''[[EMichaelMaximilien]] - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontologizing_ONTOLOG_Content--Maximilien_20060420.ppt Multifaceted approach to ontologizing the ONTOLOG content rooted in pragmatism, tools, services, and standards, and social collaboration]''' ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontologizing_ONTOLOG_Content--Maximilien_20060420.ppt slides] ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_04_20/Prep#nidMLW abstract]  
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*** '''EMichaelMaximilien - [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontologizing_ONTOLOG_Content--Maximilien_20060420.ppt Multifaceted approach to ontologizing the ONTOLOG content rooted in pragmatism, tools, services, and standards, and social collaboration]''' ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontologizing_ONTOLOG_Content--Maximilien_20060420.ppt slides] ... [http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_04_20/Prep#nidMLW abstract]  
 
** ''(please post any additional resources here)''  
 
** ''(please post any additional resources here)''  
 
** Any material outside of the prepared presentation, if they are called up during the session, may be shared under the VNC session detailed [[ConferenceCall_2006_04_20|above]]  
 
** Any material outside of the prepared presentation, if they are called up during the session, may be shared under the VNC session detailed [[ConferenceCall_2006_04_20|above]]  
  
=== Questions, Answers & Discourse: ===
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=== Questions, Answers & Discourse  ===
  
 
* '''If you want to speak''' or have questions for the panel, we appreciate your posting them as instructed below:  (please identify yourself)  
 
* '''If you want to speak''' or have questions for the panel, we appreciate your posting them as instructed below:  (please identify yourself)  
 
** experimental: [[ConferenceCall_2005_09_01|try]] using the queue management chat tool  
 
** experimental: [[ConferenceCall_2005_09_01|try]] using the queue management chat tool  
** point a separate browser window (or tab) to http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room and enter: Room: "'''ontolog_20060420'''" & My Name: e.g. "[[JaneDoe]]"  
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** point a separate browser window (or tab) to http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room and enter: Room: "'''ontolog_20060420'''" & My Name: e.g. "JaneDoe"  
 
** or simply at: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontolog_20060420  
 
** or simply at: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontolog_20060420  
 
*** instructions: once you got access to the page, click on the "settings" button, and identify yourself (by modifying the Name field). You can indicate that you want to ask a question verbally by clicking on the "hand" button, and wait for the moderator to call on you; or, type and send your question into the chat window at the bottom of the screen.  
 
*** instructions: once you got access to the page, click on the "settings" button, and identify yourself (by modifying the Name field). You can indicate that you want to ask a question verbally by clicking on the "hand" button, and wait for the moderator to call on you; or, type and send your question into the chat window at the bottom of the screen.  
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** from the 2006.04.03 session - Dr. Bedford, on slide 13 you emphasize maintaining the distinction between 'concepts' and 'instances.' This is a frequently recurring theme in the literature on the development of ontologies, perhaps because it is one of those guidelines that seems simple enough in theory but is very difficult in practice. Do you have specific lessons to pass along on how this distinction can be maintained consistently, homogeneously, and appropriately throughout the development lifecycle of an ontology? (Kevin S. Lynch) (I may not be able to attend the session, but will listen for your answer on the audio version ) &nbsp;&nbsp;  
 
** from the 2006.04.03 session - Dr. Bedford, on slide 13 you emphasize maintaining the distinction between 'concepts' and 'instances.' This is a frequently recurring theme in the literature on the development of ontologies, perhaps because it is one of those guidelines that seems simple enough in theory but is very difficult in practice. Do you have specific lessons to pass along on how this distinction can be maintained consistently, homogeneously, and appropriately throughout the development lifecycle of an ontology? (Kevin S. Lynch) (I may not be able to attend the session, but will listen for your answer on the audio version ) &nbsp;&nbsp;  
  
* '''Notes from the discourse (this session)''' - (Appreciations to [[KurtConrad]] for taking the notes in real time for all of us. =ppy)  
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* '''Notes from the discourse (this session)''' - (Appreciations to KurtConrad for taking the notes in real time for all of us. =ppy)  
* Opening ([[DeniseBedford]])  
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* Opening (DeniseBedford)  
 
** Introduction of presenters  
 
** Introduction of presenters  
  
* [[PeterYim]]
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* PeterYim  
 
** Ontolog Collaborative Work Environment  
 
** Ontolog Collaborative Work Environment  
 
** Augmentation approach to computing  
 
** Augmentation approach to computing  
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** Bootstrapping / viral / improve capability to improve  
 
** Bootstrapping / viral / improve capability to improve  
  
* [[LisaColvin]]
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* LisaColvin  
 
** Understanding User Roles  
 
** Understanding User Roles  
 
** Many more people using the word "ontology"  
 
** Many more people using the word "ontology"  
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** Building of reference model  
 
** Building of reference model  
  
* [[BobSmith]]
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* BobSmith  
 
** Decision roadmap  
 
** Decision roadmap  
 
** Granularity / logic / precision  
 
** Granularity / logic / precision  
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** Project plan stub  
 
** Project plan stub  
  
* [[PatrickHeinig]]
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* PatrickHeinig  
 
** What's In It For Me?  
 
** What's In It For Me?  
 
** Value delivery system / decisions and tradeoffs / establishing a value proposition  
 
** Value delivery system / decisions and tradeoffs / establishing a value proposition  
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** Alternate value propositions / which ones are most satisficing across interest groups?  
 
** Alternate value propositions / which ones are most satisficing across interest groups?  
  
* [[EMichaelMaximilien]]
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* EMichaelMaximilien  
 
** Skeptical of "Too Much Ontology"  
 
** Skeptical of "Too Much Ontology"  
 
** Expect difficulty in developing a single ontology to support all use cases  
 
** Expect difficulty in developing a single ontology to support all use cases  
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** Create an outline of concepts for each page of content  
 
** Create an outline of concepts for each page of content  
  
* [[DeniseBedford]]
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* DeniseBedford  
 
** Defer tools and technologies discussion to later session  
 
** Defer tools and technologies discussion to later session  
 
** Next steps & approaches  
 
** Next steps & approaches  
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* '''Input from the participants''' via the [webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontolog_20060420] chat session:  
 
* '''Input from the participants''' via the [webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontolog_20060420] chat session:  
** [[PeterBrown]]: I'm not going to be able to stay long on this
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** PeterBrown: I'm not going to be able to stay long on this
 
call, but one key concern I have about this project is: what ''specifically''  
 
call, but one key concern I have about this project is: what ''specifically''  
 
can we add that cannot be or is not being provided
 
can we add that cannot be or is not being provided
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search paradigm? In other words: Should we be eating our own dog
 
search paradigm? In other words: Should we be eating our own dog
 
food?  
 
food?  
** [[RexBrooks]]: It seems to me that Peter defined the original,
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** RexBrooks: It seems to me that Peter defined the original,
 
general context. Lisa did a good job of grasping the general
 
general context. Lisa did a good job of grasping the general
 
audience of users without losing the fundamental connection among
 
audience of users without losing the fundamental connection among
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idea--narrowing the audience to provide a more clear message of
 
idea--narrowing the audience to provide a more clear message of
 
the benefit.  
 
the benefit.  
** [[PeterBrown]]: The only problem with a narrower audience is
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** PeterBrown: The only problem with a narrower audience is
 
that we might end up with a self-referential control group: we
 
that we might end up with a self-referential control group: we
 
are hardly the most representative cross-section of users! But
 
are hardly the most representative cross-section of users! But
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as we try to keep an eye on the longer-term goals, I'd be for a
 
as we try to keep an eye on the longer-term goals, I'd be for a
 
narrower initial focus  
 
narrower initial focus  
** [[ArturoSanchez]]: In principle, both approaches can be
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** ArturoSanchez: In principle, both approaches can be
 
accommodated (i.e. narrowing or not). If we come up with (a taxonomy) of roles
 
accommodated (i.e. narrowing or not). If we come up with (a taxonomy) of roles
 
and what they desire. Then we can concentrate on roles  
 
and what they desire. Then we can concentrate on roles  
** [[PeterBrown]]:  which brings us back to Denise's slide on
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** PeterBrown:  which brings us back to Denise's slide on
 
"context" - I would agree that this seems to be the best starting point  
 
"context" - I would agree that this seems to be the best starting point  
** [[ArturoSanchez]]: Examples of questions that a google search
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** ArturoSanchez: Examples of questions that a google search
 
might not be able to answer. The role would be that of a
 
might not be able to answer. The role would be that of a
 
researcher (such as myself) working on ontologies:  
 
researcher (such as myself) working on ontologies:  
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*** (3) what concepts are related to <concept>?  
 
*** (3) what concepts are related to <concept>?  
 
*** (4) this concept is also referred to as ____  
 
*** (4) this concept is also referred to as ____  
** [[RexBrooks]]:  I think Max's approach can be used, regardless
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** RexBrooks:  I think Max's approach can be used, regardless
 
of focus. And it is valuable in and of itself. I also think what Pat just said makes sense.
 
of focus. And it is valuable in and of itself. I also think what Pat just said makes sense.
 
But, I would, since that's the question of scope or focus, again. As a user, one of the benefits I would love to have is just a common sense explanation of what each of the major Upper Ontologies is best for?  
 
But, I would, since that's the question of scope or focus, again. As a user, one of the benefits I would love to have is just a common sense explanation of what each of the major Upper Ontologies is best for?  
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== Session Recording of this Panel Discussion  ==
 
== Session Recording of this Panel Discussion  ==
  
 
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(Thanks to BobSmith and PeterYim for their help with getting the session recorded.  =ppy)  
(Thanks to [[BobSmith]] and [[PeterYim]] for their help with getting the session recorded.  =ppy)  
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* To download the [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontologizing-Ontolog-Content_Discussion-Session-1-Recording-2846164-183529_20060420.mp3 audio recording of the session], '''click [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontologizing-Ontolog-Content_Discussion-Session-1-Recording-2846164-183529_20060420.mp3 here]'''  
 
* To download the [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontologizing-Ontolog-Content_Discussion-Session-1-Recording-2846164-183529_20060420.mp3 audio recording of the session], '''click [http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/Ontolog-Discussion/ontologizing-ontolog-1_20060420/Ontologizing-Ontolog-Content_Discussion-Session-1-Recording-2846164-183529_20060420.mp3 here]'''  
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** suggestion: best that you listen to the session while having the [[ConferenceCall_2006_04_20|above material]] opened in front of you. You'll be prompted to advance slides by the speaker.  
  
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  • Topic: "Ontologizing the Ontolog Body of Knowledge - Discussion Session 1 - Framing the Issues, Requirements and Approach"     (1)
  • Panelists: LisaColvin (Genentech), PatrickHeinig (EPA), EMichaelMaximilien (IBM), BobSmith (California State U / Tall Tree Labs) and PeterYim (Ontolog/CIM3)     (3)

Contents

  • Date: Thursday, April 20, 2006     (5A)
  • Start Time: 10:30 AM PDT / 1:30 PM EDT / 17:30 UTC (see world clock for other time zones)     (5B)
  • Dial-in Number: +1-641-696-6600 (Iowa, USA)     (5C)
  • Shared-screen support (VNC session) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/     (5D)
    • view-only password: "ontolog"     (5D1)
    • if you plan to be logging into this shared-screen option (which the speaker may be navigating), and you are not familiar with the process, please try to call in 5 minutes before the start of the session so that we can work out the connection logistics. Help on this will generally not be available once the presentation starts.     (5D2)
    • people behind corporate firewalls may have difficulty accessing this. If that is the case, please download the slides below and runing them locally. The speaker will prompt you to advance the slides during the talk.     (5D3)
  • Please note that this session will be recorded, and the audio archive is expected to be made available as open content to our community membership and the public at-large under our prevailing open IPR policy.     (5H)

Attendees     (6)

Background     (7)

This is the first event of a series of talks and discussions the revolves around the topic: "Ontologizing the Ontolog Body of Knowledge" during which this community will explore the "what's" and "how's" to the development of a semantically interoperable application, using the improved access to the content of Ontolog as a case in point.     (7A)

The series is spurred by the Ontolog Community's quest toward:     (7B)

  • (a) providing better access to the body of knowledge that the community has accumulated over the years,     (7C)
  • (b) using the opportunity to explore the landscape and the state-of-the-art for both technologies and approaches, on how this could actually be done,     (7D)
  • (c) employing the kinds of formal and informal semantic technologies and ontological engineering     (7E)

approaches that we've been 'talking about',     (7F)

  • (d) plan to develop an ontology-based application to achieve the purpose, both as a proof-of-concept, and also to provide open example of a 'working application' and 'the process' that people can look at, and     (7G)
  • (e) build up enough interest and momentum to really do it -- funded, if at all possible, but on an open/voluntary-basis, if we have to.     (7H)

Agenda & Proceedings     (8)

Topic: Ontologizing the Ontolog Body of Knowledge - Discussion Session 1 - Framing the Issues, Requirements and Approach     (9)

The Ontolog community is strategizing how to develop a baseline ontology to represent the entities, relationships and uses of content. The purpose of this ontology is to support the needs and uses of any members of the Ontolog Community. The intent is to provide a foundation upon which any member of the community could apply additional functionality or transform content into other ontology models. By content, we include the community of people, their work and expertise; all electronic archives and content created in and published via the wiki, and information that is referenced by the community members such as standards, reference models, meeting announcements and reports. We will discuss, in this session, how we should frame the issues, establish our requirements and to go about approaching this task of 'ontologizing' the Ontolog content.     (9B)
  • Pertinent Issues we might explore during this session:     (9C)
    • Some 'framing questions': (--DeniseBedford / 2006.04.17-06:57 EDT)     (9C1)
      • What content from Ontolog should be ontologized? (content defined broadly - people, groups, email messages, conference call agendas, conference call transcripts/recordings, presentations, discussion threads, etc.)     (9C1A)
      • What content from outside Ontolog should be ontologized? (content referenced but not created by the group...?, standards, conferences, research & development, other communities)     (9C1B)
      • At what level do we want to apply the ontology to the content?     (9C1C)
      • Can we define a set of roles or user types of the Ontolog content - from within Ontolog and external to Ontolog?     (9C1D)
      • Can we define a handful of scenarios to use to test the ontology development as we move forward?     (9C1E)
      • How will the ontology be used on a practical level?     (9C1F)
      • What applications will consume it?     (9C1G)
        • Will we use it in internal architecture/applications only?     (9C1G1)
        • Will we surface portions of it for consumption by external applications?     (9C1G2)
      • What kind of an underlying functional architecture do we need?     (9C1H)
        • What kinds of applications and technologies will support this functional architecture?     (9C1H1)
  • Session Format: this is be a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call     (9D)
    • 1. we'll go around with a self-introduction of participants (10~15 minutes)     (9D1)
    • 2. Introduction of Panelists (Moderator)     (9D2)
    • 3. Opening by the Moderator (5 min.)     (9D3)
    • 4. 5-minute brief by each panelist on their perspective     (9D4)
    • 5. follow each panelist's presentation with a 3 minute Q&A and discussion on that particular perspective     (9D5)
    • 6. open general discussion by all participants     (9D6)
    • 7. Summary / Conclusion / Follow-up (Moderator)     (9D7)

Questions, Answers & Discourse     (9F)

  • ... More Questions     (9F2)
    • from the 2006.04.03 session - Dr. Bedford, on slide 13 you emphasize maintaining the distinction between 'concepts' and 'instances.' This is a frequently recurring theme in the literature on the development of ontologies, perhaps because it is one of those guidelines that seems simple enough in theory but is very difficult in practice. Do you have specific lessons to pass along on how this distinction can be maintained consistently, homogeneously, and appropriately throughout the development lifecycle of an ontology? (Kevin S. Lynch) (I may not be able to attend the session, but will listen for your answer on the audio version )        (9F2A)
  • Notes from the discourse (this session) - (Appreciations to KurtConrad for taking the notes in real time for all of us. =ppy)     (9F3)
  • Opening (DeniseBedford)     (9F4)
  • PatrickHeinig     (9F8)
    • What's In It For Me?     (9F8A)
    • Value delivery system / decisions and tradeoffs / establishing a value proposition     (9F8B)
    • Lock down primary thrusts for going forward / tradeoffs in problem space / defensable solution space     (9F8C)
    • Value proposition should be explicit, not inferred     (9F8D)
    • 4 step, interactive process     (9F8E)
    • Requirements engineering / value engineering / can't serve everyone     (9F8F)
    • Alternate value propositions / which ones are most satisficing across interest groups?     (9F8G)
  • Input from the participants via the [webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontolog_20060420] chat session:     (9F11)

call, but one key concern I have about this project is: what specifically can we add that cannot be or is not being provided currently by existing tools? And supplemental to that: what can we provide/promote that will serve as a demonstrator of our own belief of the importance of ontology in contrast to the full-text search paradigm? In other words: Should we be eating our own dog food?     (9F12)

general context. Lisa did a good job of grasping the general audience of users without losing the fundamental connection among the users--increasing understanding of the value of ontology. She also touched on tools briefly. Bob laid out a process of arriving at an appropriate set of tools using an identification of where in Leo Obrst's spectrum of semantic tools and concepts from lesser to greater expressivity we want to be. He also provided a ballpark for the amount of work likely to be needed. Patrick laid out a process for arriving at an appropriate value proposition--what's in it for the users. I wanted to build a summary as we go along because, I, too, will have to drop off the call. But the point I wanted to bring up the idea that we might want to choose to select a narrower audience rather than a broader audience for the sake of providing a more clear benefit to our users. I wonder what our panelists think about that idea--narrowing the audience to provide a more clear message of the benefit.     (9F14)

that we might end up with a self-referential control group: we are hardly the most representative cross-section of users! But equally, that approach would provide a clear impetus to provide us with additional tools for *our* work: if that is for a wider, later, benefit and audience, so much the better. As long as we try to keep an eye on the longer-term goals, I'd be for a narrower initial focus     (9F16)

accommodated (i.e. narrowing or not). If we come up with (a taxonomy) of roles and what they desire. Then we can concentrate on roles     (9F18)

"context" - I would agree that this seems to be the best starting point     (9F20)

might not be able to answer. The role would be that of a researcher (such as myself) working on ontologies:     (9F22)

of focus. And it is valuable in and of itself. I also think what Pat just said makes sense. But, I would, since that's the question of scope or focus, again. As a user, one of the benefits I would love to have is just a common sense explanation of what each of the major Upper Ontologies is best for?     (9F24)

  • For those who have further questions and discussion on this topic, please post them to the ontolog forum so that we can all benefit from the discourse.     (9F25)

Session Recording of this Panel Discussion     (10)

(Thanks to BobSmith and PeterYim for their help with getting the session recorded. =ppy)     (10A)

    • the playback of the audio files require the proper setup, and an MP3 compatible player on your computer.     (10B1)
  • Conference Date and Time: April 20, 2006 10:39am~12:23pm Pacific Daylight Time     (10C)
  • Duration of Recording: 1 Hour 43 Minutes     (10D)
  • Recording File Size: 24.3 MB (in mp3 format)     (10E)
  • Telephone Playback Expiration Date: April 30, 2006 12:41 PM PDT     (10F)
    • Prior to the above Expiration Date, one can call-in and hear the telephone playback of the session.     (10F1)
    • Playback Dial-in Number: 1-805-620-4002 (Ventura, CA)     (10F2)
    • Playback Access Code: 183529#     (10F3)
    • suggestion: best that you listen to the session while having the above material opened in front of you. You'll be prompted to advance slides by the speaker.     (10F4)


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