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| [[has date::June 3 2019 18:00 GMT]]
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| [[convener::MikeBennett|Mike Bennett]]
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'''IAOA Semantic Web Applied Ontology (SWAO) SIG'''

Meetings are normally on the first Monday of the month at these times.
The meeting this month is an exception.

* We will use GoToMeeting for this meeting - details at [[ConnectionDetailsGTM|Connection Details]]

== Agenda ==

1. Housekeeping

2. Events
* Financial Ontology Workshop in Summer 2019
* Shared events calendar - 2019 events

3. Discussion of new initiatives
* NEW SWAO Resource on TLO and Ontological Commitment considerations (see January and March proceedings)
* Bridging the gap between AO and SemWeb
* Definitions of ontology and related terms – IAOA glossary
* Blogging
* Networking
* Liaison with other bodies (IOF etc.)

4. AOB
* Do we still need this group?

5. Next Meeting

== Proceedings ==
MikeBennett: We are seeing the term Knowledge Graphs in place of Semantic Web.

MikeBennett: This only talks to a sub-set of what ontology is about.

MikeBennett: But the SW in SWAO would really be KGAO?

MikeBennett: But is there more we can do that could be done? If so, do we change our name or drop this thing.

MikeBennett: MB has done the 2019 spreadsheet that we planned to have shared with SWAO and IAOA. It is a super-set of what IAOA has.

MikeBennett: There were not really any finance industry things in this year's spreadsheet.

Ken Baclawski: If you ask for "Knowledge Graph" in Wikipedia, it redirects to "Ontology (information science)" so it appears that "knowledge graph" is synonymous with "ontology" at least to some people.

MikeBennett: If the IAOA creates a new SIG for Industry, we should merge this SWAO with that.

MikeBennett: In fact KG embraces a broader range of things e.g. property graphs. RDF graphs are a kind of this.

MikeBennett: Should any of be updating the Wikipedia article.

MikeBennett: KB is an editor. So possibly is MB.

MikeBennett: So we could.

MikeBennett: Suggestion: Update the above wiki page to reflect that knowledge Graphs are not simply synonymous with 'ontology' in any one sense, including the SemWeb sense.

MikeBennett: There are also criticisms of the 'Semantic Web' page. 'Skeptical reactions'. By someone.

MikeBennett: OWL was developed as an application language for Semantic Web, rather than for ontology modeling more broadly, even though MB and others have tried to use it for that.

MikeBennett: You can use OWL for real world truth-makers but this is not often done since OWL is more about the data. Lack of sufficient formal distinctions between these concerns.

MikeBennett: So the the question...

MikeBennett: Do we still need to meet to talk about these things?

MikeBennett: 2 questions:

MikeBennett: 1. Whether the group continues to exist?

MikeBennett: 2. Whether we meet once a month to have these kind of conversations

MikeBennett: KB: Can no logner exist but still meet once a month (as what?)

MikeBennett: MB: Can continue to exist but not meet once a month (carry on with wiki posts etc.)

MikeBennett: KB: For example we can talk about edits to make on wikipedia pages.

MikeBennett: KB would prefer to have people to review suggested wiki edits.

MikeBennett: Middle ground: meet when there is an agenda item to cover e.g. for wiki edits.

MikeBennett: Proposal: Meet once a month anyway, chat briefly if there is no specific agenda item to cover that week.

MikeBennett: MB to shorten the Agenda text on the SWAO wiki to flag up whatever we would talk about.

MikeBennett: We remain the only active IAOA SIG, though Education SIG may restart soon.

MikeBennett: Noise on Ontolog Forum re Maria Keet's book. Seems to be some strong views on there.

MikeBennett: So we can also monitor active controversies on the Ontolog Forum.

MikeBennett: Finance Workshop

MikeBennett: Assumed this was to be a JOWO workshop, once it was decided not to have it at North Eastern. Not seen on the JOWO line-up.

MikeBennett: It was decided this would be in Graz. Nothing heard since then - KB no longer involved.

MikeBennett: Ping MG on this see if it is still happening.

== Attendees ==
* Ken Baclawski
* Todd Schneider
* Mike Bennett

=== Apologies ===
* Andrea Westerinen

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