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OntologySummit Theme: Community Brainstorm Session Part 2 - Thu 2014-11-06     (1)

Session Co-chairs: MichaelGruninger (IAOA; U of Toronto) & MatthewWest     (1A)

Topic: Brainstorm Session on the OntologySummit2015 Theme: Community Input & Planning -- Part 2     (1B)

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Attendees     (1E)

Abstract     (1F)

The OntologySummit is an annual series of events (first started by Ontolog and NIST in 2006) that involves the ontology community and communities related to each year's theme chosen for the summit. The Ontology Summit program is now co-organized by Ontolog, NIST, NCOR, NCBO, IAOA, NCO_NITRD along with the co-sponsorship of other organizations that are supportive of the Summit goals and objectives.     (1F1)

While the actual events of OntologySummit2015 will be rolled out between January and April of 2015, we have decided we will try to plan for it early. An initial round of input has already been received, as part of the OntologySummit2014 postmortem session on 2014.05.15. During that session, the community also agreed on having today's session, so we can dedicate some quality time to specifically discuss the possibilities and options on the choice of Themes for OntologySummit2015. The session on 2014.10.09 identified a shortlist of themes. This session will be devoted to selecting the theme that best allow us to leverage next year's OntologySummit.     (1F2)

The possible themes are:     (1F3)

  • 1 Applied Ontology Body of Knowledge. Champions: Matthew West and KenBaclwaski     (1F4)
  • 2 Internet of Things. Champions: MarkUnderwood and RamSriram and JoelBender     (1F5)
  • 3 Sociotechnical Aspects of Applied Ontology. Champions: TerryLongstreth, ChristopherSpottiswoode     (1F6)
  • 4 Artefacts. Champions: LeoObrst     (1F7)

See developing details on the next Summit's homepage at: OntologySummit2015     (1F8)

Agenda     (1G)

Brainstorm Session on the OntologySummit2015 Theme: Community Input & Planning     (1G1)

Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call     (1G2)

Proceedings     (1H)

In-session_Chat-Transcript     (1H1)

[09:26] MichaelGruninger: Agenda: Discussion of four potential themes identified at the 2014.10.09 Brainstorming Session     (1H1A)

[09:26] MichaelGruninger:     (1H1B)

  1. Applied Ontology Body of Knowledge. Champions: Matthew West and KenBaclwaski     (1H1C)
  2. Internet of Things. Champions: MarkUnderwood and RamSriram and JoelBender     (1H1D)
  3. Sociotechnical Aspects of Applied Ontology. Champions: TerryLongstreth, ChristopherSpottiswoode     (1H1E)
  4. Artefacts. Champions: LeoObrst     (1H1F)

[09:30] MichaelGruninger: Primary discussion for each Theme will include possible Tracks that would constitute the Summit. (Typically we have approximately four technical Tracks)     (1H1G)

[09:34] ToddSchneider: I may have to drop off unexpectedly to join a business call.     (1H1H)

[09:37] Ram D. Sriram: @Michael: I will need to drop off at 1pm and then I will dial in again at 1:10pm     (1H1I)

[09:40] MichaelGruninger: Here are the potential track titles for the theme "Internet of Everything: Toward Smart Networked Systems and Societies"     (1H1J)

[09:40] MichaelGruninger:     (1H1K)

  • Track 1: Vision of IoE Ontology Integration     (1H1L)
  • Track 2: Beyond Semantic Sensor Network Ontologies to Multimodal ontologies     (1H1M)
  • Track 3: Big Data and Ontologies (see Ontology Summit 2014)     (1H1N)
  • Track 4a: Supporting Development of Domain-specific IoE Ontologies     (1H1O)
  • Track 4b: From IoE Data Models to IoE Ontologies: SDLC Challenges     (1H1P)
  • Track 5: Decision Making in Different Domains     (1H1Q)
  • Track 6: Related Standards and Synergies for Developing IoE Ontologies     (1H1R)
  • Track 7: Case Studies in Healthcare, manufacturing, disaster resilience     (1H1S)
  • Track 8: Industry-Government Panel on Research Funding     (1H1T)

[09:40] Ram D. Sriram: Ontologies will play a significant role in the realization of SNSS. For example, a considerable amount of data passes through the network and should be converted into higher abstractions that can be used in appropriate reasoning. This requires the development of standard terminologies which capture objects and events. Creating and testing such terminologies will aid in effective recognition and reaction in a network-centric situation awareness environment. This would involve identifying a methodology for development of terminologies for multimodal data (or ontologies), developing appropriate ontologies, developing testing methods for these ontologies, demonstrating interoperability for selected domains (e.g., healthcare, situational awareness), and using these ontologies in decision making.     (1H1U)

[09:49] MichaelGruninger: RamSriram : We can change Track 8 to "Future Directions"     (1H1V)

[09:50] LeoObrst: Just joined. Sorry for being late.     (1H1W)

[09:52] MichaelGruninger: Donna: The topics for Case Studies will not be restricted to the above topics     (1H1X)

[09:52] Mark Underwood: Re: Track 7 - Indeed, we'd listed out Defense/Aerospace and should add Donna's Education / Nonprofit scenarios     (1H1Y)

[09:54] MichaelGruninger: Are there any drawbacks to adopting Internet of Things as a theme for the Ontology Summit?     (1H1Z)

[09:57] Ram D. Sriram: Potential Tracks Track 4 is focused on software development while track 6 is on current and future standards     (1H1AA)

  • Track 1: Vision of IoE Ontology Integration     (1H1AB)
  • Track 2: Beyond Semantic Sensor Network Ontologies to Multimodal ontologies     (1H1AC)
  • Track 3: Big Data and Ontologies (see Ontology Summit 2014)     (1H1AD)
  • Track 4a: Supporting Development of Domain-specific IoE Ontologies     (1H1AE)
  • Track 4b: From IoE Data Models to IoE Ontologies: SDLC Challenges     (1H1AF)
  • Track 5: Decision Making in Different Domains     (1H1AG)
  • Track 6: Related Standards and Synergies for Developing IoE Ontologies     (1H1AH)
  • Track 7: Case Studies in Healthcare, manufacturing, disaster resilience     (1H1AI)
  • Track 8: Industry-Government Panel on Research Funding     (1H1AJ)

[09:58] Mark Underwood: Tracks could well be shaped a bit by whom we can recruit to particpate     (1H1AK)

[10:00] AleksandraSojic: Track 6 is related to a huge topic and it deserves attention; building ontologies based on the industrial standards opens many issues that have to be addressed, e.g. balancing industrial standards and ontology requirements that are often conflicting     (1H1AL)

[10:00] TerryLongstreth: IoE is unbounded as stated butlacing some limits may exclude useful avenues of exploration.     (1H1AM)

[10:01] Mark Underwood: Regarding Tracks 4 & 6: While these are similar, Track 4 tries to confine itself [sic] to development and ontology building concerns. Track 6 would catalog other related efforts -- especially standards-related -- that other groups are pursuing. Merging 6 into a subpart of 4 is worth considering if we fail to develop a critical mass of work by standards groups.     (1H1AN)

[10:01] TerryLongstreth: What I mean by SocioTechnico Socio of or pertaining to human societies and cultures, as distinct from individuals and corporations Technico of or pertaining to the physical artifacts produced directly or indirectly by human endeavours and tangible manifestations of those artifacts Socio+Technico relating physical artifacts to the workings of societies and cultures     (1H1AO)

[10:02] TerryLongstreth: Some Challenges Can ontology help to organize and record the salient features of cultures to expose and help resolve cultural and societal differences? Can ontological studies help to identify and document the places where technology (of any kind, from flint arrowheads to Watsons) is bound to specific cultures and societies? is independent of cultural and societal constraints, norms, preconceptions?     (1H1AP)

[10:03] Mark Underwood: @AleksandraSojic Indeed - Big topic, and when I started to build a list of *just* the IEEE related work, the topic did not get smaller. We may indeed end up with a broad, but not deep, survey of the work by others -- depending on champions & willing panelists     (1H1AQ)

[10:10] TerryLongstreth: @Christopher- Have you estimates of the efforr required to define your architecture to the point where it could be implemented?     (1H1AR)

[10:12] MichaelGruninger: One possibility could be to explore the topic of Sociotechnical Aspects of Applied Ontology as a future miniseries within Ontolog Forum, rather than as an Ontology Summit theme. This would allow more exploration of the topic     (1H1AS)

[10:15] MikeRiben: italian?     (1H1AT)

[10:15] MikeBennett: Spanish     (1H1AU)

[10:19] AleksandraSojic: @MarkUnderwood: right, the critical mass is crucial; on the other hand, everyone working with standards has to deal with a set of problems on a daily basis; a guideline/recommendation for making a conversion/implementation of a standard and represent it in an ontology language (while staying accurate in representing both sides, standard and ontology) is still missing.     (1H1AV)

[10:21] Donna Fritzsche: Terry, I believe you are touching on Lingua Franca and Crossmaps     (1H1AW)

[10:21] DavidWhitten: Interesting metaphor: Can we invite Ontology to help us bridge between different cultures. (or is this an anthropomorphism ?)     (1H1AX)

[10:22] maria sette: We need to conduct a methodological investigations about modelling STS.     (1H1AY)

[10:22] Donna Fritzsche: An interesting way to scope the Internet of Everything: Cross-cultural bounds and communications     (1H1AZ)

[10:24] Mark Underwood: @MichaelG I agree that the topic needs further "shaping" & that the forum might be better. Timeline?     (1H1AAA)

[10:26] JulitaBermejoAlonso: For me, I understood Sociotechnical Aspects of Applied Ontology as ontology-driven systems engineering taking into account human factors interacting with the system. Not so much, cultural differences.     (1H1AAB)

[10:26] MichaelGruninger: Discussion about Theme : Artefacts     (1H1AAC)

[10:27] LeoObrst: Potential Ontology Summit 2015 Theme: Artifacts Track 1) Ontological Analysis -Artifacts -Function -Intention and Purpose -Specifications -Design -Creation, Realization, and Implementation -Change and Coercion -Roles and Uses Track 2) Domains of Artifacts -Science and Engineering -Manufacturing -Information Artifacts: Provenance; Software/Service Lifecycle; Cyber; Data Schemas, Conceptual Models, and Ontologies -Social Artifacts: Group/Community, Government, Business, Education, etc. -Art and Fiction     (1H1AAD)

[10:27] DavidWhitten: Can I assume that the "Applied Ontology Body of Knowledge" topic has already been discussed on a previous call, or earlier this call?     (1H1AAE)

[10:28] Mark Underwood: JulitaBermejoAlonso: I too was thinking narrowly HCI, but I suspect "sociotechnical" is a topic that would need to draw in specialists not normally in typically technology-rich (drenched) circles     (1H1AAF)

[10:31] DavidWhitten: I've heard it said that anything can be used as a Weapon because "being a weapon" is tied to purpose, and thus the category is an example of a "Role" type category. Is being an "artifact" the same kind of "Role" type category?     (1H1AAG)

[10:35] MichaelGruninger: @DavidWhitten: No, we have not yet discussed "Applied Ontology Body of Knowledge"     (1H1AAH)

[10:35] DavidWhitten: Thank you for your ideas Leo Obrst !     (1H1AAI)

[10:42] JulitaBermejoAlonso: From my viewpoint, Artifacts is a broad topic. I have been working on artifact/system ontologies addressing all this, that has later on adjusted to different domains. Finding the commonalities of artifacts, function, design and so forth is really interesting. Applying them onto particular domains get really tricky. I have been working with only 2 different ones. Imagine with several as suggested on Track 2     (1H1AAJ)

[10:42] Mark Underwood: sorry, lost Skype line, i'll redial     (1H1AAK)

[10:45] ChristopherSpottiswoode: @Terrylongstreth: Please email me your email address using my email address on my recent posts to the Forum and Summit lists?     (1H1AAL)

[10:46] DavidWhitten: I agree @JulitaBermejoAlonso that Artifact-hood is a broad topic. Leo's example of a seashell as an ashtray is an interesting view of being an artifact. It seems that the activity of using something as if it were an artifact almost induces a role type.     (1H1AAM)

[10:46] MichaelGruninger: Discussion of Theme: "Applied Ontology Body of Knowledge"     (1H1AAN)

[10:47] MikeBennett: I'd reinforce that previous point - there are well known ontological solutions to the seashell problem but a lot of people might be approach ontology as a technical idea and not know to look for these solutions.     (1H1AAO)

[10:47] MichaelGruninger: Different tracks will explore Best Practices for: - ontology design - ontology sharability - ontology evaluation - ontology application / implementation (including automated reasoning) Each track can include both language-specific and language-dependent practices.     (1H1AAP)

[10:49] DavidWhitten: The "Applied Ontology Body of Knowledge" reminds me of the books on Architecture of Open Source Applications ( http://aosabook.org/en/index.html )     (1H1AAQ)

[10:49] MikeBennett: "Towards the Discipline of Ontology Engineering" +1 for title     (1H1AAR)

[10:50] Mark Underwood: RE: Artifacts - The use case of provenance for devices in IoT / Big Data AAAS is a useful way to think about intersections between IoE tracks and Artifact thinking - if these were to be merged. Current prax in device provenance is most anything but abstract, & operate in systems that are ontology-indifferent (oblivious). I sense that Leo's proposal is to develop the abstractions to support systems builders, whereas perhaps we are setting out the lay of the land in the IoE tracks.     (1H1AAS)

[10:51] DavidWhitten: Is Ontology too generic, and there must be an example or active practice to even allow ontology engineering to have meaning?     (1H1AAT)

[10:52] TerryLongstreth: I've put my charts on the PSMW but don't know how to add it to the session page. http://ontolog-02.cim3.net/wiki/File:Brainstorm2SocioTechnico.pdf     (1H1AAU)

[10:54] maria sette: I agree     (1H1AAV)

[10:55] DavidWhitten: @maria sette, I lost track. What do you agree with?     (1H1AAW)

[10:56] maria sette: I agree on the comment that was made regarding the Body of Knowledge.     (1H1AAX)

[11:02] TerryLongstreth: I agree with Leo; we must impose a publishing discipline on the process     (1H1AAY)

[11:03] TerryLongstreth: If we can prespecify submission requirements for the BOK, then we can ask summit presenters to supply BOK items in parallel     (1H1AAZ)

[11:04] maria sette: I support the IoE     (1H1AAAA)

[11:04] TerryLongstreth: I disagree that artifacts belong on internet of things; they are independent of technology     (1H1AAAB)

[11:04] MikeBennett: +1 - we really do need to ensure that having agreed on the importance of the BoK it doesn't get lost just because it's not the ontology theme     (1H1AAAC)

[11:06] Mark Underwood: No computer needed? My mind is blown.     (1H1AAAD)

[11:07] MichaelGruninger: Is there a consensus of the theme: Internet of Everything: Toward Smart Networked Systems and Societies     (1H1AAAE)

[11:08] Donna Fritzsche: I like it, but we can we scope it a little more?     (1H1AAAF)

[11:08] KenBaclawski: @[14:04] MikeBennett: Having a track would help, but it should be a separate initiative as well.     (1H1AAAG)

[11:09] Mark Underwood: Concur with consensus - unless folks think this is too limited     (1H1AAAH)

[11:10] TerryLongstreth: @MarkUnderwood: Computers are tools that can be useful, but ontologies are intellectual constructs that can be documented on parchment or sandtables. The Internet of everything presupposes that we cannot support non-technological societies or aspects of our own.     (1H1AAAI)

[11:10] maria sette: I agree with the speaker. Getting in early is better.     (1H1AAAJ)

[11:11] MikeBennett: I agree - it would be better for us to be ahead of the curve, not curating the ideas after others have figured it out.     (1H1AAAK)

[11:12] DavidWhitten: I was asked to write my concern in the chat: My concern about making the Summit topic being the "Internet of Things" is that there it is still something being actively researched and may not be well developed enough to be worth the time at this time. The nascent nature of this topic may not be worth our focus until is better defined.     (1H1AAAL)

[11:13] MichaelGruninger: @Donna: Yes, the idea would be that over the next month, the people interested in being on the Organizing Committee would meet and refine the scope for the Summit. The objective would be to have the decision about Tracks being made in the early December session     (1H1AAAM)

[11:14] Mark Underwood: RE maturity of IoT / IoE - This is emerging in some fields, but in others, e.g., DoD sensor networks, it is at least less new, if not mature. It's largely parallel to the Big Data theme: some folks think it's just VLDG / High Speed Computing warmed over, whereas the V-advocates think it is a paradigm shift worth addressing beyond the popular framework.     (1H1AAAN)

[11:15] maria sette: Keep in mind the topic is also talking on smart networked systems.     (1H1AAAO)

[11:16] Mark Underwood: @Maria - For sure - R U thinking SDN?     (1H1AAAP)

[11:16] MichaelGruninger: Decision: Working Theme/title for Ontology Summit 2015: Internet of Everything: Toward Smart Networked Systems and Societies     (1H1AAAQ)

[11:18] MikeBennett: Dec 11th coincides with the OMG Quarterly Meeting which may be an issue for some.     (1H1AAAR)

[11:18] MichaelGruninger: Is December 11 a good date for the (Pre-launch) Community Input and Planning Session?     (1H1AAAS)

[11:18] maria sette: Yes     (1H1AAAT)

[11:20] Donna Fritzsche: thanks!     (1H1AAAU)

[11:20] JulitaBermejoAlonso: Thank you! Looking forward to it!     (1H1AAAV)

[11:20] maria sette: Thank You     (1H1AAAW)

[11:21] Beth DiGiulian: Thank you, good discussion. I like the theme - but agree that we need to be careful of scope.     (1H1AAAX)

[11:21] DavidWhitten: I feel it was a good use of my time.     (1H1AAAY)

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