From OntologPSMW

Revision as of 01:30, 9 January 2016 by KennethBaclawski (Talk | contribs)

(diff) ← Older revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)
Jump to: navigation, search
[ ]

Contents

Ontology Summit 2010: Panel Session-3 - "Training Requirements for Ontologists" - Thu 4-Feb-2010     (1)

Ontology Summit 2010 Theme: "Creating the Ontologists of the Future"     (1A)

  • Panel Session-3 Topic: "What Are We Training For?"     (1A1)
  • Panelists:     (1A3)
    • Professor DeniseBedford (Kent State University) - "Requirements for Ontologists: Current and Future" - [ slides ]     (1A3A)
    • Dr. MichaelUschold (Consultant) - "Ontology Engineer Requirements: Focus on what ontologists need to DO and KNOW" - [ slides ]     (1A3B)
    • Mr. MikeBennett (Hypercube, UK) - "Sharing our experience in the EDM Council Semantics Repository work" - slides     (1A3C)
    • Dr. JohnSowa (VivoMind Intelligence) - "Training for Ontologists: Translating Language to Logic" - [ slides ]     (1A3D)

  • Shared-screen support (VNC session) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/     (1A5E)
    • view-only password: "ontolog"     (1A5E1)
    • if you plan to be logging into this shared-screen option (which the speaker may be navigating), and you are not familiar with the process, please try to call in 5 minutes before the start of the session so that we can work out the connection logistics. Help on this will generally not be available once the presentation starts.     (1A5E2)
    • people behind corporate firewalls may have difficulty accessing this. If that is the case, please download the slides above and running them locally. The speaker(s) will prompt you to advance the slides during the talk.     (1A5E3)
  • Discussions and Q & A:     (1A5F)
    • (Unless the conference host has already muted everyone) Please mute your phone, by pressing "*2" on your phone keypad, when a presentation is in progress. To un-mute, press "*3"     (1A5F1)
    • You can type in your questions or comments through the browser based chat session by:     (1A5F2)
      • instructions: once you got access to the page, click on the "settings" button, and identify yourself (by modifying the Name field). You can indicate that you want to ask a question verbally by clicking on the "hand" button, and wait for the moderator to call on you; or, type and send your question into the chat window at the bottom of the screen.     (1A5F3A)
    • (when everyone is muted) If you want to speak or have questions or remarks to make, please "raise your hand (virtually)" by click on the "hand button" (lower right) on the chat session page. You may speak when acknowledged by the speaker or the session moderator (again, press "*3" on your phone to unmute). Test your voice and introduce yourself first before proceeding with your remarks, please. (Please remember to click on the "hand button" again (to lower your hand) and press "*2" on your phone to mute yourself after you are done speaking.)     (1A5F4)
    • thanks to the soaphub.org folks, one can now use a jabber/xmpp client (e.g. gtalk) to join this chatroom. Just add the room as a buddy - (in our case here) ontolog_20100204@soaphub.org ... Handy for mobile devices!     (1A5F5)
  • Please note that this session will be recorded, and the audio archive is expected to be made available as open content to our community membership and the public at-large under our prevailing open IPR policy.     (1A5J)

Attendees     (1B)

Resources     (1B5)

Theme: Ontology Summit 2010 - Creating the Ontologists of the Future     (1C)

This is our 5th Ontology Summit, a joint initiative by NIST, Ontolog, NCOR, NCBO and IAOA with the support of our co-sponsors. The theme adopted for this Ontology Summit is: "Creating the Ontologists of the Future" and was launched on 10-Dec-2009. Like previous years, this Ontology Summit will comprise of three months of virtual discourse, over our archived mailing lists, wiki, and virtual panel sessions (like this one), and will culminate in a 2-day face-to-face workshop/symposium to be held on Mon & Tue, 15 & 16-March-2010 at NIST (Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA.)     (1C1)

Increasingly, major national and international projects centered on ontology technology are being advanced by governments and by scientific and industrial organizations. This brings a growing need for ontology expertise and thus for new methods and institutions for the training of ontologists. The 2010 Ontology Summit will explore strategies to address this need in terms of curriculum, establishment of new career tracks, role of ontology support organizations and funding agencies, as well as training in the analysis and comparison of methodologies for designing, maintaining, implementing, testing and applying ontologies and associated tools and resources.     (1C4)
The "Content" and "Quality" tracks of this Summit focus, respectively, on identifying the subject matter that might form the content of ontologist training and on means of delivery that maximize quality in both the training itself and the ontologists it produces. For either of these discussions to be effective, however, we need to have a sense of the target: what is the training supposed to accomplish?     (1C5)
We will begin with remarks from our panelists, each of whom embodies one or more end-user (or "consumer") perspectives: those who hire ontologists and need a reliable way to identify qualified candidates; those looking for training that will adequately prepare them for careers as working ontologists; those who hire, manage, or evalute ontologists and have insight into the value of various elements of preparation; those who need supplemental training for themselves or staff to meet changing work needs. We will also look at the forthcoming Requirements survey, though we will not walk through all of it, or ask people to complete it, during this session. Questions, Answers, and Open Discussion will follow, with the aim of further developing our community understanding of the needs to which ontologist training ought to be addressed.     (1C6)
The session plan is to have each panelist speak for 10 minutes, assuming a small number of panelists. Default topic for each is the set of general questions to which the Requirements Track and this Session are addressed:     (1C7)
o . What are we training for?     (1C8A)
o . What do working ontologists need to know?     (1C8B)
o . What do ontologists need to be able to do?     (1C8C)
Individual Panelists are free, however, to focus more specifically on particular points they see as worthy of emphasis: lessons learned, experiences, points that stand out as commonly overlooked or over-emphasized, and so on.     (1C9)
Goal: The Ontology Summit community is in general agreement that the most valuable and urgently needed training will be informed not only by theoretical considerations but also, and centrally, by the needs of ontologists seeking employment and employers seeking quality, useful ontologists. Our understanding of those needs, however, is scattered and divergent. This Panel session, and the "Requirements" track generally, are aimed at developing a richer and more clear picture of the requirements of employability (those trained are well-prepared for the available jobs) and deployability (those who hire trained ontologists find them ready and able to perform the needed work). The goal is not necessarily to maximize coverage within this session; the surveys, wiki, forum discussion, and other activities all the way up to the March face-to-face will each play a role in such maximization. Rather, the goal is to bring a strong "end-user" voice to the discussion, and to stimulate thinking and discussion across the Summit community as a whole.     (1C10)

Agenda & Proceedings     (1D)

OntologySummit2010 - virtual panel-3 - Topic: "What Are We Training For?"     (1D1)

Transcript of the online chat during the session     (1D3)

see raw transcript here.     (1D3A)

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)     (1D3B)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.     (1D3C)

-- begin of chat session --     (1D3D)

Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the ��     (1D3E)

Peter P. Yim: Ontology Summit 2010: Panel Session-3 - "Training Requirements for Ontologists" - Thu 4-Feb-2010     (1D3F)

Ontology Summit 2010 Theme: "Creating the Ontologists of the Future"     (1D3G)

anonymous morphed into RayMcCormick     (1D3Q)

anonymous morphed into JulitaBermejoAlonso     (1D3R)

anonymous morphed into Nicola Guarino     (1D3S)

Nicola Guarino: hi Ali! how are you?     (1D3T)

Ali Hashemi: Hello Nicola! I am doing well.     (1D3U)

Mike Bennett: Just tried dialing with a phone and it was worse than Skype. Hope the sound is Ok     (1D3V)

Ali Hashemi: I keep on getting a "That was not a valid conference room"     (1D3W)

Ravi Sharma: Denise: What is specifically meant by "ontological forms rather than developing in     (1D3X)

context" -examples?     (1D3Y)

Arturo Sanchez: @DeniseBedford: (cf. slide 7) Of course, the development workflows are not linear.     (1D3Z)

Also, it is not clear at what point the ontology is actually consumed (i.e., it now becomes an     (1D3AA)

artifact of another development cycle, for instance, software development). Any comments?     (1D3AB)

Ravi Sharma: Denise: Would you agree that example of "business" would be a domain area such as XBRL     (1D3AC)

for financial services domain, I think Mike will address some of it? Further while i see a lot of     (1D3AD)

MDM, BPM, Data and Enity empashis in your definitions and workflow, I would like to know your views     (1D3AE)

on "data-to-information" of value to "business" and beyond data (even MDM) to terms and vocabularies     (1D3AF)

that help information exchange. Further Ontologies have to embrace concepts of "affinity" among     (1D3AG)

entities (Things) by weighing Predicates etc. Also CEP and decision support ...etc.     (1D3AH)

anonymous morphed into Elizabeth Florescu     (1D3AI)

Gary Bergcross: Denise on slide 8 you have "Enterprise Architecture (business architecture,     (1D3AJ)

Gary Bergcross: Is there more in that item since the paren doesn't close?     (1D3AK)

Gary Bergcross: For Whom Do Ontologists Work? Organizational, besides the chief architect they often,     (1D3AL)

organizationally, work for a CIO.     (1D3AM)

Ravi Sharma: Thanks Denise, for response to my comments, let us also chat offline on such important     (1D3AN)

Ravi Sharma: Mike: Great summary on tools and their importance and balanced view from Ontology     (1D3AP)

development perspective including patterns - thanks.     (1D3AQ)

Nicola Guarino: @MikeUschold: ontology design patterns are fine, but if they are too much     (1D3AR)

underspecified they don't really help semantic interoperability, since two people who adopt the same     (1D3AS)

pattern may actually disagree... Unfortunately most of the pattern on the site you mentioned are     (1D3AT)

very underspecified (check roles, collections, situations...)     (1D3AU)

Ravi Sharma: Ralph: great comments on patterns, and diverse applications, NASA telemetry, etc.reuse     (1D3AV)

is not clear to me yet?     (1D3AW)

Peter P. Yim: @RalphHodgson (and ALL): one good way to contribute asynchronously would be to respond to     (1D3AX)

the surveys and join the Real-time Delphi study - the single entry point to those is:     (1D3AY)

Nicola Guarino: I support VERY MUCH John Sowa's point on the importance of translating simple NL     (1D3AAA)

statements in logic. I also agree o the importance of choosing right names for concepts, underlined     (1D3AAB)

by Mike. In general, this kind of linguistic/logic competence is an essential requisite for an     (1D3AAC)

ontologist. Unfortunately I have to go, bye bye everybody.     (1D3AAD)

Amanda Vizedom: @Nicola: I quite agree, and in fact have spent significant time in recent months     (1D3AAE)

thinking about how to take this right-on idea of Ontology Design Patterns and apply it in a way we     (1D3AAF)

can really use. This has got, I think, to include at least specifying (formalizing) the technical     (1D3AAG)

assumptions (DL-only like the current collection, for example), purpose (decision support,     (1D3AAH)

classification, information retrieval, for example) and some other aspects of the application     (1D3AAI)

context. Something that deserves a Ontolog session or thread of its own, I think!     (1D3AAJ)

Amanda Vizedom: Noting a point of MikeBennett's for record: importance of differentiating field X     (1D3AAK)

from Xical Engineering. Ontologists must know how to take the principles of Ontology and apply them     (1D3AAL)

in a situation to solve a problem (paraphrased).     (1D3AAM)

Peter P. Yim: @MikeBennett: still can't quite catch that last sentence, can you type it out here,     (1D3AAN)

Amanda Vizedom: Final point from Mike Bennett: "The art of doing ontology is the art of *not*     (1D3AAP)

designing something."     (1D3AAQ)

Ravi Sharma: Mike: Where are we at using XBRL and (ontology oriented) transactions in financial     (1D3AAR)

Rex Brooks: The notion of "not designing" ontologies, but discovering or capturing the structure or     (1D3AAT)

organization of some domain of knowledge or discourse is what, for me personally, is FUN in the     (1D3AAU)

sense that Mike Uschold was making in his last point.     (1D3AAV)

Rex Brooks: It would be helpful to "capture" the minds of bright young people for the field of     (1D3AAW)

ontology with this kind of FUN.     (1D3AAX)

Steve Ray: For the record, I raised the question of the distinction between "design" and "creating an     (1D3AAY)

ontology" that Mike Bennett raised.     (1D3AAZ)

Ravi Sharma: Mike: Does Ontology help bridge this apparent "lack of synchronization" between     (1D3AAAA)

Business Processes as you described and items such as "logical or physical data models"?     (1D3AAAB)

anonymous morphed into Jim Disbrow     (1D3AAAC)

Mike Bennett: @Ravi I would certainly hope so - my view (no shared by all?) is that ontology should     (1D3AAAD)

be situated within a formal place in the development methodology, which is why I see an ontologist     (1D3AAAE)

as being a kind of engineer as well as someone who understands meaning     (1D3AAAF)

Mike Bennett: @Ravi XBRL - long story...     (1D3AAAG)

Ed Dodds: @MikeBennett - ontoneer - function of the PMO?     (1D3AAAH)

Ed Dodds: @RaviSharma Hitachi's "XBRL for Dummies" Primer advocating putting XBRL as far into the     (1D3AAAJ)

data chain as possible -- don't know what traction that has. Did see MIX the other day     (1D3AAAK)

Amanda Vizedom: Ways of contributing asynchronously: (1) Respond to the Surveys, via the single-point     (1D3AAAM)

page has information to help you decide which surveys to take, as well as links to each. (2) Share     (1D3AAAO)

  • your* thoughts on today's focal question, as our panelists have, by posting to this track's     (1D3AAAP)

Community Input page:     (1D3AAAQ)

Peter P. Yim: and, of course, post any thoughts to the [ontology-summit] mailing list (with a proper     (1D3AAAS)

Peter P. Yim: to contribute to the discussion - see under:     (1D3AAAU)

Ravi Sharma: John: Of course being mentored by you on Ontolog Forum, I am indebted and todays     (1D3AAAW)

presentation is a good way to learn how to connect ontology learning and logic?     (1D3AAAX)

anonymous morphed into Michael Uschold     (1D3AAAY)

Michael Uschold: I wonder how much encoding sentences in English into first order logic is useful to     (1D3AAAZ)

ontologists of the future, not sure how relevant today.     (1D3AAAAA)

Mike Bennett: What John is saying defines the difference between someone who gets the concepts and     (1D3AAAAB)

someone who drives tools     (1D3AAAAC)

Mike Bennett: Add an understanding of linguistics into the mix? (as per this example = se couduire -     (1D3AAAAD)

to drive oneself; v to drive cattle to market - a linguist would get that     (1D3AAAAE)

Mike Bennett: I wonder if creating a reading list between us, would help us identify the sorts of     (1D3AAAAF)

things that an ontologist should know or be familiar with before they can call themselves one of     (1D3AAAAG)

Ravi Sharma: John: Many thanks for good explanation of english and logic, and I now see importance of     (1D3AAAAI)

studying Aristotle and his influence into parsing english sentence. Now my related question, if we     (1D3AAAAJ)

have a reasonably clear (subjective) text as is semi-professional and publishable (no slang etc),     (1D3AAAAK)

then what % of sentences typically would fall into logic types expressed in slide 7 exemplified by 6     (1D3AAAAL)

Ravi Sharma: Amanda: model theoretic and physical entity and its model's congruence are a big open     (1D3AAAAN)

topic that I would like to understand your perspective on? It is exteremely relevant to ontology     (1D3AAAAO)

oriented learning and results.     (1D3AAAAP)

Pavithra Kenjige: Hi, Dr Sowa, your emphasis on theory or logic rather than a particular tool is     (1D3AAAAQ)

interesting! Even though I agree with you, industry may not! People do look for experince in a set     (1D3AAAAR)

of tools rather than theory!     (1D3AAAAS)

Steve Ray: It should not be "rather than" but "in addition to".     (1D3AAAAT)

Ed Dodds: @MikeBennett we could adopt #ontolog as a keyword on both delicious.com and diigo.com for     (1D3AAAAU)

a start on the reading list     (1D3AAAAV)

Mike Bennett: @Pavithra - that's a lot like the traditional difference between an engineer and a     (1D3AAAAW)

technician. Industry needs both, but we'd be lost without the engineers i.e. the people who can     (1D3AAAAX)

think in concepts 1st and tools 2nd     (1D3AAAAY)

Steve Ray: Excellent session. Thanks Amanda.     (1D3AAAAAA)

Fabian Neuhaus: thank you amanda, great job     (1D3AAAAAB)

Ravi Sharma: Amamnda: Thanks for a great session.     (1D3AAAAAC)

Pavithra Kenjige: Thank you, it was excellent!     (1D3AAAAAD)

Steve Ray: ...and thanks to the panelists.     (1D3AAAAAE)

Mike Bennett: thanks Amanda and everyone, great session     (1D3AAAAAG)

Amanda Vizedom: Thank you Panelists!     (1D3AAAAAH)

Peter P. Yim: Great session ... thanks everyone!     (1D3AAAAAI)

Peter P. Yim: -- session adjourned 12:38pm PST --     (1D3AAAAAJ)

-- end of chat session --     (1D3AAAAAK)

  • Please mark your calendars - next session (same time on a Thursday): Thu 2010.02.04 - Ontology Summit 2010 virtual panel session-4: "Quality" Track panel session - developing agenda will be at: ConferenceCall_2010_02_11     (1D3AAAAAM)

An Open Invitation     (1E)

If you do find this initiative interesting or useful, we cordially invite you to join us in the "Ontology Summit 2010" virtual discourse that will be taking place in the next 3 months or so, and to the face-to-face workshop that will be held on 15 & 16-March-2010 as part of the NIST Interoperability Week in Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA.     (1E1)

  • Join us at some of the upcoming virtual panel discussion (on the Ontolog Forum) on this year's summit topics. Watch for the announcements!     (1E3)
  • Registration for the face-to-face workshop (Mon & Tue 2009.03.15 & 16) will be announced later. Please be on the look out for it!     (1E4)

Audio Recording of this Session     (1F)

  • suggestion: its best that you listen to the session while having the presentation opened in front of you. You'll be prompted to advance slides by the speaker.     (1F5)
  • Take a look, also, at the rich body of knowledge that this community has built together, over the years, by going through the archives of noteworthy past Ontolog events. (References on how to subscribe to our podcast can also be found there.)     (1F6)

For the record ...     (1F7)

How To Join (while the session is in progress)     (1G)


This page has been migrated from the OntologWiki - Click here for original page     (1G4)