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Ontology Summit 2013: ("postmortem") Review and Follow-up Action Planning Session - Thu 2013-05-23     (1)

Summit Theme: "Ontology Evaluation Across the Ontology Lifecycle"     (1A)

Session Topic: OntologySummit2013 (postmortem) review and follow-up action planning     (1B)

Session Co-chairs: Dr. Matthew West & Professor MichaelGruninger     (1C)

Agenda / Briefings:     (1D)

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Abstract     (1O)

OntologySummit2013: ("postmortem") Review and Follow-up Action Planning Session - [ intro slides]     (1O1)

With the adjournment of the OntologySummit2013_Symposium (on 3-May-2013) we have completed the program of this year's OntologySummit. This has been our 8th Ontology Summit, that featured a host of events spanning four months, and jointly organized by Ontolog, NIST, NCOR, NCBO, IAOA & NCO_NITRD with the championship from our organizing committee members and support of our co-sponsors. The theme adopted for this Ontology Summit was: "Ontology Evaluation Across the Ontology Lifecycle."     (1O2)

The event today is our virtual postmortem session. We will be expecting participants of this year's summit, especially members of the organizing team, as well as anyone interested in the process of content of past and future Ontology Summits, at this session.     (1O3)

The goal of this session is to revisit the Ontology Summit that just finished, and to plan ahead for the future. We will discuss what worked and what can be improved during the 4 months of Ontology Summit 2013 (plus the preparation work that led up to it,) and get ideas on how to make next year's Ontology Summit even better. This meeting gives us an opportunity to develop some plans and initiatives for action that will move what we have achieved beyond the 4-month Summit itself. Further, this meeting is also an opportunity to suggest topics and themes for next year's Ontology Summit.     (1O4)

See also: OntologySummit (home page for the summit series) and document your thoughts at: OntologySummit/Suggestions     (1O5)

Agenda Ideas     (1P)

Agenda     (1Q)

Ontology Summit 2013 - Postmortem Session     (1Q1)

  • Session Format: this is a virtual session conducted over an augmented conference call     (1Q2)
  • 4. OntologySummit's in Numbers - peterYim ... (10 min)     (1Q6)
  • 6. Once again ... a solicitation to endorse the Communique if you haven't already done so     (1Q8)

Proceedings     (1R)

Please refer to the above     (1R1)

IM Chat Transcript captured during the session     (1R2)

see raw transcript here.     (1R2A)

(for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)     (1R2B)

Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.     (1R2C)

-- begin in-session chat-transcript --     (1R2D)

[09:32] Peter P. Yim: Welcome to the     (1R2E)

Ontology Summit 2013: ("postmortem") Review and Follow-up Action Planning Session - Thu 2013-05-23     (1R2F)

Summit Theme: "Ontology Evaluation Across the Ontology Lifecycle"     (1R2G)

Session Topic: Ontology Summit 2013 (postmortem) review and follow-up action planning     (1R2H)

Session Co-chairs: Dr. Matthew West & Professor Michael Grüninger     (1R2I)

Agenda / Briefings:     (1R2J)

  • ALL - Discussion-1: "OntologySummit2013 - What went well and what needs to be improved?"     (1R2Q)
  • ALL - Discussion-2: "OntologySummit2014 - Ideas and Suggestions?"     (1R2R)

Proceedings     (1R2X)

[09:38] Terry Longstreth: I've sent Matthew a reminder     (1R2Y)

[09:39] Matthew West: Sorry I'm late. PC crashed and died slowly just as I was logging on.     (1R2Z)

[09:43] Terry Longstreth: Can someone roll the VNC, please?     (1R2AA)

[09:44] Peter P. Yim: @Terry - the vnc should be working properly ... try refreshing the vnc viewer     (1R2AB)

window (not refreshing your browser)     (1R2AC)

[09:46] Peter P. Yim: @Terry - is it working ok now?     (1R2AD)

[09:52] Fabian Neuhaus: @Peter - (commenting on Peter's remark, during his presentation that the     (1R2AE)

list of Communique co-editors represented most members of the organizing committee) this year     (1R2AF)

the co-editors = the org. committee     (1R2AG)

[10:03] Michael Grüninger: Comment on Peter's slide 9: Who are the intended audiences for the     (1R2AH)

Ontology Summit?     (1R2AI)

[10:05] Matthew West: I agree about the improved effectiveness. I think this is because the core     (1R2AJ)

people are not only dedicated, but have got to know and understand and respect each other. That     (1R2AK)

reduces the noise considerably. The respect means we trust each other, and that helps too.     (1R2AL)

[10:05] anonymous morphed into Bobbin Teegarden     (1R2AM)

[10:05] Amanda Vizedom: Peter, I see one more slide -- are you saving that for later?     (1R2AN)

[10:18] Peter P. Yim: @Amanda - (ref. one more slide) thank you for catching this, that slide doesn't     (1R2AO)

belong here. I will be updating the file and remove it from the deck.     (1R2AP)

[10:07] Michael Grüninger: The volume of email discussions this year was disappointingly low     (1R2AQ)

[10:08] Amanda Vizedom: Interesting question about email levels - not sure that's easiest - can feel     (1R2AR)

like black hole and/or way to trigger unproductive discussion -- association with ontolog forum     (1R2AS)

issues. Return to this question later?     (1R2AT)

[10:10] Amanda Vizedom: Point for later discussion: reach out to folks who have been involved in the     (1R2AU)

past (every) and aren't now. Get feedback on why; invite them to make suggestions; ask them to check     (1R2AV)

in again?     (1R2AW)

[10:12] Michael Grüninger: I sometimes felt that the Organizing Committee was doing too much work,     (1R2AX)

filling in the lack of input from the overall group of participants     (1R2AY)

[10:17] Michael Grüninger: If we have a longer lead time for the next Summit, perhaps we could have a     (1R2AZ)

period in which there is more discussion of the topics before the different Tracks are identified     (1R2AAA)

[10:18] Michael Grüninger: Amanda's comment on slide 2: we need better alignment of presentation     (1R2AAB)

content with Track topics     (1R2AAC)

[10:22] Matthew West: @Michael: I agree, but how do you do that? Each speaker has their own agenda,     (1R2AAD)

and there is very little in the current set up we can do to vet. We would have to move to a refereed     (1R2AAE)

conference with vetted presentations/papers to significantly improve this I think.     (1R2AAF)

[10:23] Peter P. Yim: @Amanda & ALL - the Analytics slides deck has now been updated (still 9 slides,     (1R2AAG)

but the extraneous one has been removed.)     (1R2AAH)

[10:27] Todd Schneider: @Amanda, (referring to Amanda's comment that google-docs facilitates input,     (1R2AAI)

but makes editing more difficult) Ali and I had the same situation last year (using Google Docs).     (1R2AAJ)

[10:29] Peter P. Yim: Amanda: (breaking news!) the SemTechBizSF lightning talk on Jun-3 is now confirmed     (1R2AAK)

[ref slide#6]     (1R2AAL)

[10:29] Peter P. Yim: Amanda: suggest extending the Communique Endorsement deadline (beyond Jun-3, so     (1R2AAM)

she those at SemTechBizSF may have a chance to endorse the Communique too) ... general response is "sure!"     (1R2AAN)

[10:33] Todd Schneider: Peter, Terry summary should be on the main 2013 summit page.     (1R2AAO)

[10:33] Todd Schneider: Terry, Great work!     (1R2AAP)

[10:34] Fabian Neuhaus: @Todd I agree. I think this should be part of the OS website as well.     (1R2AAQ)

[10:34] Michael Grüninger: Hello Marcela -- are you on the conference call? *7 to unmute     (1R2AAR)

[10:35] Marcela Vegetti: I'm on skype.     (1R2AAT)

[10:35] Todd Schneider: Marcela, great reverb.     (1R2AAU)

[10:50] Peter P. Yim: @TerryLongstreth & Marcela Vegetti - some merger of your contents at [1] & [2]     (1R2AAV)

would be useful ...     (1R2AAW)

[10:52] Marcela Vegetti: @Peter, I was thinking of that while Terry was talking     (1R2AAZ)

[10:57] Todd Schneider: When do we get to subject for the next summit?     (1R2AAAA)

[10:57] Peter P. Yim: == Discussion: What went well? What could be improved?     (1R2AAAB)

[10:58] Peter P. Yim: ref. [7-Discussion] slides - slide 2 & 3 -     (1R2AAAC)

[10:59] Matthew West: The Tracks: Generally good quality presentations.     (1R2AAAE)

[11:00] Michael Grüninger: How can we increase the quantity and quality of discussions (both during     (1R2AAAF)

live sessions and via email posts)?     (1R2AAAG)

[11:00] Matthew West: The Communique: Took the summit forward.     (1R2AAAH)

[11:02] Amanda Vizedom: I agree with Fabian that we should have more discussion *in* the sessions,     (1R2AAAI)

and not overpack the sessions with panelists or presenters.     (1R2AAAJ)

[11:02] Peter P. Yim: (re. "What went well?") - there was a resounding agreement from the OOR team (from     (1R2AAAK)

our May-21 team meeting) that the Hackathon (H-C) was great ... we even agreed that the OOR team     (1R2AAAL)

will start doing regular hackathons and have assigned champions to steward them     (1R2AAAM)

[11:02] Terry Longstreth: @Peter, Marcela. I intentionally focused on the actual presentations. The     (1R2AAAN)

second column has pointers to the Session agenda pages. So I'm not sure if diluting the page with     (1R2AAAO)

lists of participants is the right model, but we could have subordinate entries with the peoples     (1R2AAAP)

names and hotlinks from the presentation summary table without adding too much complexity to the     (1R2AAAQ)

initial impression offered by it.     (1R2AAAR)

[11:08] Marcela Vegetti: @Terry, Peter, May be we can change the telecons.html page of the website     (1R2AAAS)

with the one proposed by Terry     (1R2AAAT)

[subsequent] Peter P. Yim: since the "pretty" website is essentially designed to address an outside     (1R2AAAU)

(non-ontologist) audience, I would suggest that, for now, it would probably suffice for us just to     (1R2AAAV)

add a link to Terry's page from the telecons.html page. That, at least, allows us to make better use     (1R2AAAW)

of our time (like Marcela's working on semantic queries and search, etc.)     (1R2AAAX)

[subsequent] Terry Longstreth: One other thing that I would find useful would be to put a link to the     (1R2AAAY)

Quick Reference on the Resources page     (1R2AAAZ)

[subsequent] Peter P. Yim; @Terry, Marcela, Todd [10:33] and Fabian [10:34] - Done! See:     (1R2AAAAA)

( =ppy/2013.05.27 )     (1R2AAAAE)

[11:03] Amanda Vizedom: Accompanying point: we might not lose so much if we are more selective about     (1R2AAAAF)

what is presented.     (1R2AAAAG)

[11:04] Amanda Vizedom: We also might include presentations that are in effect summaries of the work     (1R2AAAAH)

of a number of people who we might otherwise have invited on their own.     (1R2AAAAI)

[11:04] Terry Longstreth: I agree with Matthew - initial presentations were scattershot to give us a     (1R2AAAAJ)

'Chinese menu' for followup.     (1R2AAAAK)

[11:05] Amanda Vizedom: Note: alternating presentations, on the other hand, might give some room to     (1R2AAAAL)

try to schedule future presentations responsively to the way the summit is evolving.     (1R2AAAAM)

[11:06] Todd Schneider: All, we should bear in mind that this year's summit subject is somewhat out     (1R2AAAAN)

of the norm, or at least not a primary interest to ontology developers.     (1R2AAAAO)

[11:08] Amanda Vizedom: @Todd, I don't think that's true (the primary interest part).     (1R2AAAAP)

[11:08] Todd Schneider: Amanda, certainly not for you:)     (1R2AAAAQ)

[11:08] Amanda Vizedom: Not for a great number of ontologists I know     (1R2AAAAR)

[11:10] Fabian Neuhaus: @Peter: (responding to PeterYim's verbal comment that the presentations added     (1R2AAAAS)

hugely to the collective body-of-knowledge on this particular subject, as well as to the entire     (1R2AAAAT)

archive) I am not discounting the presentations. I agree that they are important. I just try to     (1R2AAAAU)

think of ways to have more interactions.     (1R2AAAAV)

[11:12] Marcela Vegetti: Unfortunately, I have to go.     (1R2AAAAW)

[11:14] Peter P. Yim: @Marcela - bye ... thank you     (1R2AAAAX)

[11:15] Michael Grüninger: I didn't think that the Keynote topics were relevant to the Summit topic     (1R2AAAAY)

(just my personal opinion)     (1R2AAAAZ)

[11:15] Todd Schneider: The keynotes were good, but not 'close' to the summit's subject.     (1R2AAAAAA)

[11:16] Amanda Vizedom: (Why) Do we need to have keynotes at all?     (1R2AAAAAB)

[11:16] Peter P. Yim: (despite what others think) personally, I think the keynotes were among the "best"     (1R2AAAAAC)

parts of the Symposium     (1R2AAAAAD)

[11:16] Terry Longstreth: Fabian's right - how do you invite an expert who's not already in the     (1R2AAAAAE)

(conceptual) room?     (1R2AAAAAF)

[11:17] Terry Longstreth: And the keynotes gave us viewpoints that were outside of the ontology     (1R2AAAAAG)

community's comfort zone     (1R2AAAAAH)

[11:20] Ram D. Sriram: One possible way to resolve the keynotes problem is to replace it with a panel on     (1R2AAAAAI)

potential funding opportunities for next year (as it will held near downtown).     (1R2AAAAAJ)

[11:18] Peter P. Yim: == Michael: what should we do next year ... choice of "Topic" first ... please     (1R2AAAAAK)

type suggestions below     (1R2AAAAAL)

[11:16] Todd Schneider: How about Reasoning or Ontologies and/for Reasoning for the subject of the     (1R2AAAAAM)

next summit?     (1R2AAAAAN)

[11:19] Amanda Vizedom: Todd: Semantic Federation     (1R2AAAAAO)

[11:20] Amanda Vizedom: Todd: Reasoning over Linked Data     (1R2AAAAAP)

[11:20] Todd Schneider: The value of ontology in linked data?     (1R2AAAAAQ)

[11:21] Michael Grüninger: I was thinking of using a domain (such as E-Science) as a way of     (1R2AAAAAR)

addressing issues such as reusability, reasoning,, evaluation     (1R2AAAAAS)

[11:23] Todd Schneider: Big data semantic federation?     (1R2AAAAAT)

[11:24] Todd Schneider: Reasoning with big linked data for semantic federation?     (1R2AAAAAU)

[11:24] Terry Longstreth: Does anyone remember how the VLDB conferences started? I think Big Data's     (1R2AAAAAV)

on the same trajectory.     (1R2AAAAAW)

[11:25] Ram D. Sriram: @Amanda: Can you elaborate on what you mean by reasoning on linked data?     (1R2AAAAAX)

[11:33] Amanda Vizedom: @Ram, e.g. consuming published linked data and using it in a mashup app that     (1R2AAAAAY)

performs some query answering / semantic search functions. E.g., finding resources across     (1R2AAAAAZ)

distributed linked (open) data corpora, where the resource/corpora pairs might be: finding cultural     (1R2AAAAAAA)

artifacts across libraries, archives, and museums LOD; finding reusable data sets across scientific     (1R2AAAAAAB)

data repository LOD; finding products and services across potentially competing providers LOD;     (1R2AAAAAAC)

gathering diverse news items about an event or entity across new service's LOD (and maybe also     (1R2AAAAAAD)

Library-Archives-Museums LOD).     (1R2AAAAAAE)

[11:35] Amanda Vizedom: That all requires some reasoning over Linked (open) Data, where such LOD is     (1R2AAAAAAF)

already being published. At the same time, there are live issues, within the LOD / SemWeb     (1R2AAAAAAG)

communities regarding the quality of the semantic aspects of the data (standards, strengths and     (1R2AAAAAAH)

weaknesses of particular ontologies).     (1R2AAAAAAI)

[11:38] Ram D. Sriram: @Amanda: May be then the workshop should focus on Linked data, its relationship     (1R2AAAAAAJ)

to Ontologies, and Reasoning over this.     (1R2AAAAAAK)

[11:44] Amanda Vizedom: @Ram, possibly, but we want to make clear we are putting the ontology-linked     (1R2AAAAAAL)

data and reasoning-linked data relationships first. Or at least, like we aren't jumping in as if it     (1R2AAAAAAM)

were a fresh field, ignoring the people who really are experts in Linked Data and LOD.     (1R2AAAAAAN)

[11:26] Todd Schneider: Amanda, that get's back to Peter's observation on our poor PR capabilities.     (1R2AAAAAAO)

[11:28] Terry Longstreth: Peter says two separate summits: external and internal. I say summits could     (1R2AAAAAAP)

be a bridge between them.     (1R2AAAAAAQ)

[11:29] Matthew West: I agree with Peter we need to choose between internal or external. I would go     (1R2AAAAAAR)

for alternating.     (1R2AAAAAAS)

[11:30] Matthew West: My idea on spreading it out is not to make it more than three months, but 1     (1R2AAAAAAT)

month 3 times with gaps in between.     (1R2AAAAAAU)

[11:30] Terry Longstreth: Maybe change the balance and make hackathons the major activity for future summits?     (1R2AAAAAAV)

[11:33] Peter P. Yim: == Michael: what should we do next year ... let's discuss "the Schedule"     (1R2AAAAAAW)

[11:33] Matthew West: So two events with different names each every two years.     (1R2AAAAAAX)

[11:34] Terry Longstreth: With each year having ONE presentation or session covering salient aspects     (1R2AAAAAAY)

of the non-focus topic     (1R2AAAAAAZ)

[11:34] Peter P. Yim: Michael: ... let's run a "topic" brainstorm session in September     (1R2AAAAAAAA)

[11:43] Michael Grüninger / Matthew West: September 19th will be the date for the initial     (1R2AAAAAAAB)

brainstorming session for Ontology Summit 2014 potential topics ... an open meeting as usual (not just     (1R2AAAAAAAC)

limited to organizers)     (1R2AAAAAAAD)

[11:35] Peter P. Yim: Michael: we could leave "the summit" on the same duration (~3 months) but stretch     (1R2AAAAAAAE)

out the planning     (1R2AAAAAAAF)

[11:37] Peter P. Yim: @Astrid ... I don't think we have received your Communique endorsement yet, would     (1R2AAAAAAAG)

you consider endorsing, please?     (1R2AAAAAAAH)

[11:38] AstridDuqueRamos: Hi Peter. Yes, Ill endorse, but I want to review it before     (1R2AAAAAAAI)

[11:38] Peter P. Yim: @Astrid ... thank you, don't mean to rush you     (1R2AAAAAAAJ)

[11:42] Terry Longstreth: It would also be useful to have a session at each summit that reviewed and     (1R2AAAAAAAK)

reported status of previous summits.     (1R2AAAAAAAL)

[11:44] Peter P. Yim: great session!     (1R2AAAAAAAM)

[11:44] Peter P. Yim: -- session ended: 11:44am PDT --     (1R2AAAAAAAN)

-- end of in-session chat-transcript --     (1R2AAAAAAAO)

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